I'd like to try and get Derek Carr

rezburna · 12-29-2022, 02:39 PM

If Payton was here I'd be all for Derek Carr. I feel that way about most of these QB's. I believe in Payton's ability to get the best out of them. Dennis Allen and Pete Carmichael? Nah.

vpheughan · 12-29-2022, 09:15 PM

A very quick check shows 21 of the 32 NFL teams have losing records. Names like: Rogers, Brady and Wilson are all below .500

Blaming OLine injuries for the record doesn't really work.
Remember last years starting Oline only played 22 snaps together, yet that team (with no wide receivers and using 4 different QB'S) came this close to making the playoffs and posted a 9 - 8 record.

If players are constantly moving in and out of the lineup and have no shot at being "consistent". Explain how "Rotating D-Lineman in and out to keep them fresh" works?

Two Examples:

The 2022 Eagles are 13 -2 and have nine interior linemen or overhang players — edge rushers — who've played between 23 and 63 percent of the defensive snaps.

The 2022 Bills 12 - 3 Rotating the defensive linemen is a big part of what McDermott does on defense. In a league where it seems everything is strategized down to the smallest degree, the D-Line rotation is just about keeping guys fresh. "The key to our success is fresh legs, fresh bodies," defensive line coach Bill Teerlinck says.

Are Injuries are the great equalizer, or perhaps it's good coaching vs poor coaching?

AsylumGuido · 12-30-2022, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

A very quick check shows 21 of the 32 NFL teams have losing records. Names like: Rogers, Brady and Wilson are all below .500

Blaming OLine injuries for the record doesn't really work.
Remember last years starting Oline only played 22 snaps together, yet that team (with no wide receivers and using 4 different QB'S) came this close to making the playoffs and posted a 9 - 8 record.

If players are constantly moving in and out of the lineup and have no shot at being "consistent". Explain how "Rotating D-Lineman in and out to keep them fresh" works?

Two Examples:

The 2022 Eagles are 13 -2 and have nine interior linemen or overhang players — edge rushers — who've played between 23 and 63 percent of the defensive snaps.

The 2022 Bills 12 - 3 Rotating the defensive linemen is a big part of what McDermott does on defense. In a league where it seems everything is strategized down to the smallest degree, the D-Line rotation is just about keeping guys fresh. "The key to our success is fresh legs, fresh bodies," defensive line coach Bill Teerlinck says.

Are Injuries are the great equalizer, or perhaps it's good coaching vs poor coaching?

Are you serious? Comparing the D-line to the O-line in snap counts?

The defensive linemen are basically freelancers on the field. Other than a stunt here or there they work independently to get to the offensive backfield. Rotating in and out at those positions does indeed keep them fresh.

On the offensive line, however, they all depend greatly upon each other. They must know when to shift assignment and with whom. That's why offensive linemen ideally play 100% of the snaps in a game. Even more ideally they play 100% of the snaps for the entire season. We all know that seldom happens, however, due to the all too common injuries, but it does happen.

For your Philly example, their starting five offensive linemen played 96% or more of the snaps 60 times in 16 games. In game injuries were the only thing that kept them from playing every snap in every game.

For your Bills example, their starting five offensive linemen played 96% or more of the snaps 56 times in 16 games. Ditto above.

Source: https://www.lineups.com/nfl/snap-cou...ne-snap-counts

vpheughan · 12-30-2022, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Are you serious? Comparing the D-line to the O-line in snap counts?

The defensive linemen are basically freelancers on the field. Other than a stunt here or there they work independently to get to the offensive backfield. Rotating in and out at those positions does indeed keep them fresh.

On the offensive line, however, they all depend greatly upon each other. They must know when to shift assignment and with whom. That's why offensive linemen ideally play 100% of the snaps in a game. Even more ideally they play 100% of the snaps for the entire season. We all know that seldom happens, however, due to the all too common injuries, but it does happen.

For your Philly example, their starting five offensive linemen played 96% or more of the snaps 60 times in 16 games. In game injuries were the only thing that kept them from playing every snap in every game.

For your Bills example, their starting five offensive linemen played 96% or more of the snaps 56 times in 16 games. Ditto above.

Source: https://www.lineups.com/nfl/snap-cou...ne-snap-counts

Just pointing out that blaming a teams record on injuries suffered by the O-Line isn't always valid. I knew comparing O-Line and D-Line would get a reaction! Happy New Year!

The 2020 KC Chiefs started 11 different offensive line combinations through 15 weeks. Kansas City averaged 1 sack per game through the first 11 games then 2.5 sacks per game the 4 weeks after. Finished 14 - 2 and lost to Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl.

The Saints 2021 O-Line only played 22 snaps together, that team (with no wide receivers and using 4 different QB'S) came this close to making the playoffs and posted a 9 - 8 record.

hitta · 12-30-2022, 09:34 AM

I do not have a problem with Derek Carr.

vtiger72 · 12-30-2022, 09:00 PM

Without a first round pick this year, Carr may be the only chance at finding a suitable QB for the next couple of years.

AsylumGuido · 12-31-2022, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

Without a first round pick this year, Carr may be the only chance at finding a suitable QB for the next couple of years.

A first round pick doesn't guarantee a viable QB. Quite the contrary. The majority of first round QB picks end up being nothing more than serviceable. Most likely no better than a Winston or Dalton, actually.

lee909 · 12-30-2022, 11:04 PM

Taking on a QB with 3 years left on his deal with cap hits of 33 and 40plus million with the current roster and 50ml in the hole would be stupid. They'd end up adding voided years and just leaving the dead hole of cap issues running till nearly 2030. The roster is a long way from being a contender

halloween 65 · 01-01-2023, 03:26 PM

I'm all for getting Carr as long as they cut him.

AsylumGuido · 02-03-2023, 09:02 AM

Time to resurrect this thread?

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12-29-2022, 02:39 PM	#1
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12-29-2022, 09:15 PM	#2
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,543	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr A very quick check shows 21 of the 32 NFL teams have losing records. Names like: Rogers, Brady and Wilson are all below .500 Blaming OLine injuries for the record doesn't really work. Remember last years starting Oline only played 22 snaps together, yet that team (with no wide receivers and using 4 different QB'S) came this close to making the playoffs and posted a 9 - 8 record. If players are constantly moving in and out of the lineup and have no shot at being "consistent". Explain how "Rotating D-Lineman in and out to keep them fresh" works? Two Examples: The 2022 Eagles are 13 -2 and have nine interior linemen or overhang players — edge rushers — who've played between 23 and 63 percent of the defensive snaps. The 2022 Bills 12 - 3 Rotating the defensive linemen is a big part of what McDermott does on defense. In a league where it seems everything is strategized down to the smallest degree, the D-Line rotation is just about keeping guys fresh. "The key to our success is fresh legs, fresh bodies," defensive line coach Bill Teerlinck says. Are Injuries are the great equalizer, or perhaps it's good coaching vs poor coaching? K Major likes this.
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12-30-2022, 09:55 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by vpheughan A very quick check shows 21 of the 32 NFL teams have losing records. Names like: Rogers, Brady and Wilson are all below .500 Blaming OLine injuries for the record doesn't really work. Remember last years starting Oline only played 22 snaps together, yet that team (with no wide receivers and using 4 different QB'S) came this close to making the playoffs and posted a 9 - 8 record. If players are constantly moving in and out of the lineup and have no shot at being "consistent". Explain how "Rotating D-Lineman in and out to keep them fresh" works? Two Examples: The 2022 Eagles are 13 -2 and have nine interior linemen or overhang players — edge rushers — who've played between 23 and 63 percent of the defensive snaps. The 2022 Bills 12 - 3 Rotating the defensive linemen is a big part of what McDermott does on defense. In a league where it seems everything is strategized down to the smallest degree, the D-Line rotation is just about keeping guys fresh. "The key to our success is fresh legs, fresh bodies," defensive line coach Bill Teerlinck says. Are Injuries are the great equalizer, or perhaps it's good coaching vs poor coaching? Are you serious? Comparing the D-line to the O-line in snap counts? The defensive linemen are basically freelancers on the field. Other than a stunt here or there they work independently to get to the offensive backfield. Rotating in and out at those positions does indeed keep them fresh. On the offensive line, however, they all depend greatly upon each other. They must know when to shift assignment and with whom. That's why offensive linemen ideally play 100% of the snaps in a game. Even more ideally they play 100% of the snaps for the entire season. We all know that seldom happens, however, due to the all too common injuries, but it does happen. For your Philly example, their starting five offensive linemen played 96% or more of the snaps 60 times in 16 games. In game injuries were the only thing that kept them from playing every snap in every game. For your Bills example, their starting five offensive linemen played 96% or more of the snaps 56 times in 16 games. Ditto above. Source: https://www.lineups.com/nfl/snap-cou...ne-snap-counts
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12-30-2022, 12:52 PM	#4
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,543	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Are you serious? Comparing the D-line to the O-line in snap counts? The defensive linemen are basically freelancers on the field. Other than a stunt here or there they work independently to get to the offensive backfield. Rotating in and out at those positions does indeed keep them fresh. On the offensive line, however, they all depend greatly upon each other. They must know when to shift assignment and with whom. That's why offensive linemen ideally play 100% of the snaps in a game. Even more ideally they play 100% of the snaps for the entire season. We all know that seldom happens, however, due to the all too common injuries, but it does happen. For your Philly example, their starting five offensive linemen played 96% or more of the snaps 60 times in 16 games. In game injuries were the only thing that kept them from playing every snap in every game. For your Bills example, their starting five offensive linemen played 96% or more of the snaps 56 times in 16 games. Ditto above. Source: https://www.lineups.com/nfl/snap-cou...ne-snap-counts Just pointing out that blaming a teams record on injuries suffered by the O-Line isn't always valid. I knew comparing O-Line and D-Line would get a reaction! Happy New Year! The 2020 KC Chiefs started 11 different offensive line combinations through 15 weeks. Kansas City averaged 1 sack per game through the first 11 games then 2.5 sacks per game the 4 weeks after. Finished 14 - 2 and lost to Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl. The Saints 2021 O-Line only played 22 snaps together, that team (with no wide receivers and using 4 different QB'S) came this close to making the playoffs and posted a 9 - 8 record. iceshack149, jnormand, dizzle88 and 3 others like this.
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12-30-2022, 09:34 AM	#5
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12-30-2022, 09:00 PM	#6
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12-31-2022, 09:48 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by vtiger72 Without a first round pick this year, Carr may be the only chance at finding a suitable QB for the next couple of years. A first round pick doesn't guarantee a viable QB. Quite the contrary. The majority of first round QB picks end up being nothing more than serviceable. Most likely no better than a Winston or Dalton, actually.

12-30-2022, 11:04 PM	#8
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Taking on a QB with 3 years left on his deal with cap hits of 33 and 40plus million with the current roster and 50ml in the hole would be stupid. They'd end up adding voided years and just leaving the dead hole of cap issues running till nearly 2030. The roster is a long way from being a contender

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