I'd like to try and get Derek Carr

BakoSaint · 12-30-2022, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No kidding. Everyone's third string backups are consistently bad. That why we need the starters to remain healthy to gain that consistency. As long as players are constantly moving in and out of the lineup they have no shot at being "consistent".

Just look at Tampa Bay. They have suffered just as many injuries to their offensive line than the Saints. Their offense is struggling and would easily have three or four more losses without Brady under center.

Injuries are the great equalizer.

They are and they aren’t. For every team that only has 4 picks in a draft due to trades, there is a team that has 10 picks in the draft due to the opposite trades. Sometimes when the latter teams suffer injuries to their starting oline, the backups are early to middle round draft picks with much more upside than undrafted free agents and journeyman. We are able to trade so many of our picks because we dont value depth, and we dont value depth because we like having injuries as a reliable excuse. We found players like Armstead, Evans, and Nicks with second day picks. Now we trade away those picks and complain that Peat is injured for the 8th year in a row and nobody could have predicted it. You hold onto those mid round picks because you want to find a successor for Peat.

saintsfan1976 · 05-11-2025, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Put Payton Manning back there. Won't matter if the O line isn't more consistent.

Since we're reposting quotes that make us look smart.. lol

leilung · 05-12-2025, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Since we're reposting quotes that make us look smart.. lol

Oh, that petty crystal ball!

saintsfan1976 · 05-12-2025, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Oh, that petty crystal ball!

Not sure if you're calling me a "dunce" but that was meant tongue in cheek

NOLA54 · 12-28-2022, 06:10 PM

Let me think about this. NO!

BakoSaint · 12-28-2022, 08:03 PM

Carr is ok but its better to find an ok qb with a second day draft pick because they are way cheaper and younger. We are not one player away. We need the cash to pay for dead cap costs of cutting dead weight.

AsylumGuido · 12-29-2022, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Carr is ok but its better to find an ok qb with a second day draft pick because they are way cheaper and younger. We are not one player away. We need the cash to pay for dead cap costs of cutting dead weight.

That is all good and fine, but it may take years of picks for one of those drafted QB's to actually pan out.

That doesn't mean I feel we should make a move for Carr, but an established NFL QB is a known quantity, at least, and worth a little more coin.

K Major · 02-13-2023, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Carr is ok but its better to find an ok qb with a second day draft pick because they are way cheaper and younger. We are not one player away. We need the cash to pay for dead cap costs of cutting dead weight.

This right here from BakoSaint

AsylumGuido · 02-13-2023, 09:29 AM

AsylumGuido · 02-13-2023, 11:07 AM

Ross Jackson lays out a very reasonable contract structure for Carr and the Saints. Consistent with one normally written up by Loomis/Harley.

We’re projecting terms on a 3-year, $105 million deal (average per year: $35 million) with a $50 million signing bonus and $60 million guaranteed in total.

2023: $1.165 million base salary, $10 million signing bonus prorate ($11.165 million cap hit)

2024: $11.9 million base salary, $10 million roster bonus, $10 million signing bonus prorate ($21.9 million cap hit)

2025: $31.9 million base salary, $10 million signing bonus prorate ($41.9 million cap hit)

2026 (void): $10 million signing bonus prorate ($10 million cap hit)

2027 (void): $10 million signing bonus prorate ($10 million cap hit)
This would allow the Saints to keep the cap hit in 2023 manageable, plan ahead to restructure the roster bonus in 2024 and backload the deal. That way if things work out, the Saints could extend him to drop that massive 2025 hit into future years which they would add to his contract anyway.

12-30-2022, 12:19 AM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,446	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No kidding. Everyone's third string backups are consistently bad. That why we need the starters to remain healthy to gain that consistency. As long as players are constantly moving in and out of the lineup they have no shot at being "consistent". Just look at Tampa Bay. They have suffered just as many injuries to their offensive line than the Saints. Their offense is struggling and would easily have three or four more losses without Brady under center. Injuries are the great equalizer. They are and they aren’t. For every team that only has 4 picks in a draft due to trades, there is a team that has 10 picks in the draft due to the opposite trades. Sometimes when the latter teams suffer injuries to their starting oline, the backups are early to middle round draft picks with much more upside than undrafted free agents and journeyman. We are able to trade so many of our picks because we dont value depth, and we dont value depth because we like having injuries as a reliable excuse. We found players like Armstead, Evans, and Nicks with second day picks. Now we trade away those picks and complain that Peat is injured for the 8th year in a row and nobody could have predicted it. You hold onto those mid round picks because you want to find a successor for Peat. MatthewT, halloween 65 and MarchingOn like this.
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05-11-2025, 08:37 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,086 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Put Payton Manning back there. Won't matter if the O line isn't more consistent. Since we're reposting quotes that make us look smart.. lol

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leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,436	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Since we're reposting quotes that make us look smart.. lol Oh, that petty crystal ball!

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,086 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by leilung Oh, that petty crystal ball! Not sure if you're calling me a "dunce" but that was meant tongue in cheek

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NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,709 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Let me think about this. NO!

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,446	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Carr is ok but its better to find an ok qb with a second day draft pick because they are way cheaper and younger. We are not one player away. We need the cash to pay for dead cap costs of cutting dead weight. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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12-29-2022, 10:00 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by BakoSaint Carr is ok but its better to find an ok qb with a second day draft pick because they are way cheaper and younger. We are not one player away. We need the cash to pay for dead cap costs of cutting dead weight. That is all good and fine, but it may take years of picks for one of those drafted QB's to actually pan out. That doesn't mean I feel we should make a move for Carr, but an established NFL QB is a known quantity, at least, and worth a little more coin.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,879 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by BakoSaint Carr is ok but its better to find an ok qb with a second day draft pick because they are way cheaper and younger. We are not one player away. We need the cash to pay for dead cap costs of cutting dead weight. This right here from BakoSaint

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Ross Jackson lays out a very reasonable contract structure for Carr and the Saints. Consistent with one normally written up by Loomis/Harley. Twitter We’re projecting terms on a 3-year, $105 million deal (average per year: $35 million) with a $50 million signing bonus and $60 million guaranteed in total. 2023: $1.165 million base salary, $10 million signing bonus prorate ($11.165 million cap hit) 2024: $11.9 million base salary, $10 million roster bonus, $10 million signing bonus prorate ($21.9 million cap hit) 2025: $31.9 million base salary, $10 million signing bonus prorate ($41.9 million cap hit) 2026 (void): $10 million signing bonus prorate ($10 million cap hit) 2027 (void): $10 million signing bonus prorate ($10 million cap hit) This would allow the Saints to keep the cap hit in 2023 manageable, plan ahead to restructure the roster bonus in 2024 and backload the deal. That way if things work out, the Saints could extend him to drop that massive 2025 hit into future years which they would add to his contract anyway.
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