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I know it’s not official, but I am! This year I decided to put my insights on paper! We are going to get a first round pick from someone for Payton! We will trade Thomas for another #1 and trade up to get our future QB! We will pick a couple of RB’s and DB’s! We will get Landry back next year and draft a Mike too! First observation, but it would be good! Allen needs another year before we fire him if he doesn’t produce!

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And Bryce Young is the QB!!!

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Let's talk draft. I've been waiting for this thread!

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Draft if April 27th. So much has to happen before then. Most importantly, Sean Payton's next coaching job.

I'm sure all parties involved want this done as early in the offseason as possible.

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Don't draft this kicker?

2023 Draft and FA
 

Not happy to be eliminated from the playoffs, but I am happy to see this to continue to fight and show up each week so credit to DA for that. Hoping to get some discussion going on what everyone feels like our needs are moving forward. IMO…

Defense
Monster DT
Safeties

Offense
Guard
Running Back

I didn’t mention qb because that is most obvious but I am hoping we can keep Dalton and snag a high enough pick to get Stroud.

Whats everyone else’s thoughts.

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We should have detained Deuce Vaughn after the Sugar Bowl and refused to let him leave the Superdome. Vaughn looks like Darren Sproles and a wolf had a baby. He should fare better than Sproles in the NFL - think of Sprolesy, but add jump-cutting ability that reminds me of LeSean McCoy. He has sneaky power like DeAngelo Williams or Maurice Jones Drew had. He does a great job will his small frame to burrow for extra yards. He didn't show it in the Sugar Bowl, but Vaughn is also a very good receiver.

Very excited for this draft. This is going to be an important one. There will be a lot of bargains at QB and OL this year. Sometimes I watch the Georgia Bulldogs OL and think they are probably better than some of the lesser starting OL in the NFL!

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Anyone NOT on a rookie deal should be looked at closely. Saints have work to do cleaning up debt.

DT (1TECH) is a position of need IMO. SS & RB as well.

Probably deserves it's own thread but Pete Carmichael needs to be released after next week's "finale".

Taysom, Shaheed & AK were criminally underutilized for most of 2022.

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I think the Saints can get a #1 for Payton, I'm just worried that it won't be for the 2023 draft.

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Offensive Coordinator = Drew Brees

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Threads merged.

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Whether through Draft of FA, my opinion is we need:
QB of the future
RB
OG (cannot continue with Peat)
DT what happened to Onyemata
DE Davenport, OUT
S of the future

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Drew Brees didn't do so well as QB coach at Purdue today. LSU won 63-7.

What about the Tulane QB? He won a clutch game today against USC.
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...r/_/id/4685039

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Purdue just ass.

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These are a few of the guys I like and believe we can afford.

Running Back:
Damien Harris
James Robinson
Alexander Mattison

Defensive Tackle:
Da'Ron Payne


Linebacker:
Tremaine Edmunds
T.J. Edwards

Safety:
Terrell Edmunds
Jabrill Peppers

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Been warming up to Duggan as a mid rounder. We'll have a better picture of what we can or can't do as soon as Payton is traded. We do need to beef up that DL.

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The Saints need to start scouting in their own BACKYARD.

@ Tulane.

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Guess USC's Caleb didn't really deserve that Heisman. USC was arse too... or Tulane was yet underestimated again this year.

I know, eh? Tulane's RB ain't no joke. There was once another Tulane RB the Saints didn't wanna draft that went on to have a stellar career with the Bears.

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As well as two Place Kickers. Eddie Murray and Cairo Santos. Both were available when the team needed one badly!

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I think it's a mix of both. Tulane was VERY underrated and USC was VERY overrated. Caleb Williams is a monster though.

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Matt Forte, IIRC

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That was the 2008 draft. Forte was taken with the 44th pick. The Saints selected a guy named Tracy Porter that went on to be the hero of the Super Bowl with the 39th pick of the draft. (no pun intended)

I'll take the way that turned out.

:D

:bng:

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So long as we're playing 20/20, we could've/should've moved back and selected Talib, and still got Forte and another draft pick. Sedrick Ellis was a forgettable and very average pick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft

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Ole' Egg Ellis. Who can forget that waste of space. Wasn't worth that pic, maybe a 7th rounder when everything was said and done.

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One thing about the New Orleans Saints is when we miss we miss big! I think our average would be good in baseball where we can be considered good with one third percentage.

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We have never moved back under Loomis. Not once. They don't believe in it. I don't believe that's a bad thing. Loomis has said that they believe in quality over quantity. They don't always hit, but they have hit quite often over the years.

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Safety is definitely a big need but weren’t the coaches impressed with Smoke during training camp and OTA’s

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I think he was being compared to Gardner-Johnson without the drama and for a base free agent rookie type contract.

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That's a hefty comparison to Johnson. Look at his stats.And to think we let him go.

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1. Extract maximum compensation for Payton.
2. Get under the cap so we can plan for future free agent acquistions. Not just primarily focusing on 2023.
3. Figure out the path of what we want to do at QB for the future and execute.
4. Beef up the DL.

Yes we're over the cap and yes our DL is aging but... it's still a very talented team. We actually do not need to do a complete reset, we just need to be smarter in the moves we make and how we make them. We're realistically not competing for the Lombardi next year but we can still play good competitive football and hope to get lucky. It is very important we don't get shortsighted and plan accordingly. 2024 will be the big year for the future of our franchise IMO unless we somehow land a big name at quarterback for next season.

All things considered, it really wasn't that bad of a year with all the injuries and the patchwork play at quarterback.

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Getting maximum compensation for Payton isn't as straight forward as it seems. It comes down to where Payton wants to go. The more a team is willing to give up for him in draft capital the less Payton would have at his disposal when he gets there. His final destination is solely his decision. The Saints just aren't in that much of a position to make demands.

As for cap, there's actually well over $100 million available of easily convertible cap in base salaries, roster and workout bonuses.

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It's not my concern on how it gets done or the variables that comes with it. These are just things that should happen.

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For anyone who feels we did not make good use of our 2023 1st round pick just check this out. Ahead of Cooper Kupp and one slot behind Stefon Diggs.

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I am getting the feeling that Winston will be in the Saints picture again next season along with another Saints player that has played 10 games over the past three seasons.

;)

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Cool. Whatever people may think of him, he's really matured as a person.

Playing injured, subsequent benching, etc.

Just a confusing set of circumstances as it relates to JW.

I still think he's gone in 2023.

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If he wasn't already under contract for 2023 I might agree, but he carries a $11.4 million cap hit if released or traded and has a base salary that can be restructured to free up over $9 million in 2023 cap alone. He's well respected, knows the system, and could be ideal as a bridge QB in case we get lucky and find something in the draft.

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I just wonder if there are ramifications if post June 2023 or neaux.

It's too early to tell right this second. Other than for those that have seen that he can't read fast enough to make a decision unless the line can always protect for 20 seconds per play.

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Post June 1st just pushes part of the dead money into 2024. Easier on the 2023 cap, but not until after June 1. Still have to be under the cap in the Spring.

POST-6/1 RELEASE
2023 Dead Cap: $2,800,000
2024 Dead Cap: $8,400,000
2023 Cap Savings: $12,800,000

POST-6/1 TRADE
2023 Dead Cap: $2,800,000
2024 Dead Cap: $8,400,000
2023 Cap Savings: $12,800,000

And I really don't think Winston is that bad at making the read or he would have never been drafted in the first place. He can make the read, but just doesn't give up on the big play as quickly as he should at times.

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Get rid of the thug and the prima donna.... new beginnings. shake the dead skin off.