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WW_Who_Dat 03-14-2023 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 971308)
JW return does surprise me … does this save all the dead cap hit money was going to be owed JW had he been either Wednesday or designate post June 1 cut.
Replying to
@nick_underhill
Cap hit previously was $15 million. So signing for $4 saves a lot I doubt he will even have a chance to hit the incentives like to see what those are. Being on roster one of them or is it playing time?

Found this does this sounds about right?

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 971307)
Annoys me that they can't find 7M per year and adjust the defense to include Kaden as a starter, yet they can pay Jameis 8M to ride the bench.
The defense is what it is because of the five DB's. Changing it to accommodate a third LB could defeat the whole purpose. I feel Elliss excelled because he was playing in the Werner role while Werner was out. Besides, we could be in line for another compensatory pick with Elliss leaving.

As for Jameis, who's paying him 8M to ride the bench? He's getting 4M if he rides the bench. He doesn't get 8M unless he earns incentives and those surely require NOT riding the bench. They call those incentives not likely to be earned (NLTBE) and they do not count against the current year cap. If earned they are applied to the following year's cap.

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 971310)
Replying to
@nick_underhill
Cap hit previously was $15 million. So signing for $4 saves a lot I doubt he will even have a chance to hit the incentives like to see what those are. Being on roster one of them or is it playing time?

Found this does this sounds about right?
Yup. $4M isn't bad at all for a decent backup. Good deal there.

WW_Who_Dat 03-14-2023 08:42 AM
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Loomis and Kai strike again 🤣

papz 03-14-2023 08:47 AM
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There's a reason why we ranked so poorly in run defense last season. It's like we need to be more balanced on defense or something. It would also be nice to retain quality defensive players we seem to can't afford at the time we're trying to free up cap space every year.

I'm sure we're going to make some moves... in time. One day we're going to get our pick of the litter. Ndamukong Suh and Calais Campbell are both 36 and affordable now. Looks like both may be a perfect match here.

SmashMouth 03-14-2023 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 971315)
There's a reason why we ranked so poorly in run defense last season. It's like we need to be more balanced on defense or something. It would also be nice to retain quality defensive players we seem to can't afford at the time we're trying to free up cap space every year.

I'm sure we're going to make some moves... in time. One day we're going to get our pick of the litter. Ndamukong Suh and Calais Campbell are both 36 and affordable now. Looks like both may be a perfect match here.
We do need new blood on the DL... It's entirely possible part of the issue on stopping the run are some of the departed DL bodies. We drafting heavy DL in a heavy quality draft

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 971314)
Loomis and Kai strike again 🤣

SmashMouth 03-14-2023 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 971318)
Hope the Saints are training someone like him. His days here may be numbered since he yearns to be a GM. Maybe Loomis can share some of his duties and Mrs Benson can keep him here.

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971319)
Hope the Saints are training someone like him. His days here may be numbered since he yearns to be a GM. Maybe Loomis can share some of his duties and Mrs Benson can keep him here.
While Harley helped develop the principles they use and surely deserves that credit, there isn't really anything that couldn't be replicated by someone he has trained. What would be missed is his scouring new CBA's for changes that can be exploited further.

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 09:50 AM
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:rofl::rofl:

SmashMouth 03-14-2023 11:29 AM
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dizzle88 03-14-2023 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 971324)
That's incredible! Lol

K Major 03-14-2023 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971329)
Naw, the national media (AND GUYS THAT PLAYED THE GAME) respects Onyemata & Davenport ... it's not just NOLA.

I understand it was time to "re do" the D line but I somewhat disagree with Chris here. Even with a down year in 2022, losing David O, Davenport, Ellis & Ninja Tuttle (decent in rotation) is a big deal for this defense + we have a new D-line coach & DC.

No one knows how the "replacements" will do or if they will mesh.

Even with the draft, there are still plenty of unknowns.

K Major 03-14-2023 12:51 PM
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What's Kwon Alexander doing these days? ... Ellis is a Falcon now.

The Saints need depth pieces.

Sheldon Rankins is another one I'd keep an eye on.

voodooido 03-14-2023 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971339)
What's Kwon Alexander doing these days? ... Ellis is a Falcon now.

The Saints need depth pieces.

Sheldon Rankins is another one I'd keep an eye on.
Why do rankins can suck here twice?

K Major 03-14-2023 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 971343)
Why do rankins can suck here twice?
Not sure if you watched any of the Jets last season but Sheldon is still a solid run defender & he has never "sucked". Ever.

Last time I checked, the Saints just lost two contributors (David O/Tuttle) on the D line & being able to stop the run is paramount if you want to compete in the NFL.

Aaron Donald, Chris Jones & Grady Jarrett aren't options for us at DT :rolleyes:

SmashMouth 03-14-2023 02:29 PM
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The Dude 03-14-2023 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971346)
Did Trautman show any signs of improvement last year? I'm asking because I missed most of the games last year. I didn't see much of him in the games I did manage to watch.

dizzle88 03-14-2023 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 971352)
Did Trautman show any signs of improvement last year? I'm asking because I missed most of the games last year. I didn't see much of him in the games I did manage to watch.
From what I saw, as a blocker he was effective as always, as a pass catcher he was basically invisible.

Juwan Johnson looked far and away the better player to me.

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971346)
They left Taysom Hill off that depth chart.

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 971352)
Did Trautman show any signs of improvement last year? I'm asking because I missed most of the games last year. I didn't see much of him in the games I did manage to watch.
Somewhat underutilized. He was only targeted 22 times, but had 18 receptions with a lone TD.

K Major 03-14-2023 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 971352)
Did Trautman show any signs of improvement last year? I'm asking because I missed most of the games last year. I didn't see much of him in the games I did manage to watch.
A little - the fish was drafted specifically for his blocking with hopes of gradually improving as a pass catcher. TE's take time however I don't see Trautman in black and gold after this season.

I'd definitely look at drafting another TE but hey, that's just me.

Rugby Saint II 03-14-2023 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971360)
A little - the fish was drafted specifically for his blocking with hopes of gradually improving as a pass catcher. TE's take time however I don't see Trautman in black and gold after this season.

I'd definitely look at drafting another TE but hey, that's just me.
I don't see him coming back either. We need better receiving TE depth and Trautman never became the TE we envisioned. Taysom is a TE in name only and defies a traditional role at any position. Find one in the draft.

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 05:04 PM
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Looks like we'll absolutely be having some compensatory picks coming our way next year. Losing free agents to division opponents scores higher in the formula.

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 05:07 PM
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From the above link:

Free agents lostFree agents gained
DE Marcus Davenport ($13M), Round 4–
DT David Onyemata ($11.6M), Round 4–
LB Kaden Elliss ($7.1M), Round 6–
DT Shy Tuttle ($6.5M), Round 6–

AsylumGuido 03-14-2023 05:09 PM
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rezburna 03-14-2023 06:33 PM
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I just read we have like $30 million in cap room now. Somebody call Nick Wright. Lmao!

saintsfan1976 03-14-2023 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 971372)
I just read we have like $30 million in cap room now. Somebody call Nick Wright. Lmao!
Solid gold there Rez

saintsfan1976 03-14-2023 06:57 PM
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I'm genuinely at a loss for how we address the D line.

It's looking like mid-level FA (barring a trade) and hope to get a difference maker in the draft?

SmashMouth 03-14-2023 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971360)
A little - the fish was drafted specifically for his blocking with hopes of gradually improving as a pass catcher. TE's take time however I don't see Trautman in black and gold after this season.

I'd definitely look at drafting another TE but hey, that's just me.

This year's draft is presumably rich with TEs. Let's get one! We'll keep Trautmann around. He's coming around.

papz 03-14-2023 08:38 PM
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Me thinks Juwan Johnson has a monster year with Carr next year.

SmashMouth 03-14-2023 09:31 PM
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SmashMouth 03-14-2023 10:00 PM
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jnormand 03-14-2023 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971379)
Who? I literally have no idea who that is. Of course I don’t pay attention like I used to.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2023 09:12 AM
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AsylumGuido 03-15-2023 09:13 AM
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K Major 03-15-2023 10:09 AM
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NFL Free Agency Alert

Saints are expected to sign DT Nathan Shepherd
 Former Jet and 3rd rounder of 2018

Source > Dianna Russini ESPN

Boston Saint 03-15-2023 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971413)
NFL Free Agency Alert

Saints are expected to sign DT Nathan Shepherd
 Former Jet and 3rd rounder of 2018

Source > Dianna Russini ESPN

https://twitter.com/i/status/1634897284382208001
We’ve done pretty good with Jets Defenders in the past.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2023 10:14 AM
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K Major 03-15-2023 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 971414)
We’ve done pretty good with Jets Defenders in the past.
Accurate.


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