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Part of the problem has been trading away draft picks for a player that we overvalue, rather then getting depth players who become role players, and then become eventual starters. I know we won't but I hope we trade back in this draft.

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Definitely would bring him back.

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IIRC, the Saints have 9 draft picks in 2023.

Make em count. I'm not necessarily looking for the next "hit" but I'd be elated with 3-4 quality starters for years to come. The Saints need more pieces.

Time to go get younger and establish new talent on BOTH sides of the ball. This 2023 team isn't one player away from another Lombardi.

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This makes sense. If we lose Ellis it won't be because of money, it will be because of scheme. With all of the nickel we play it basically takes an injury to Werner for him to see the field. He wants and deserves to play every down.

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If all else fails, cut Dalton and keep my boy Jabo. Draft a QB.

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Dalton is already going to be a free agent on March 15th. He signed a one year deal.

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Good. Maybe he's past that core muscle tear by now and can get back to nailing them.

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I mean, what else can they do?

It's almost impossible to get below the cap without restructuring deals.

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The contracts are written for the sole purpose of restructure. For this principle to work it must be maintained. As long as the cap keeps skyrocketing it will continue to be the most cost effective way to remain competitive year after year ... barring unforeseen levels of injury, of course. But even with that we remained in the hunt for a playoff spot until the final week.

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What if revenue contracted for a few years ? Many say it's not going to happen, but are they correct in saying so simply because it hasn't happened yet? I can already hear a few expletives by quite a few NFL executives of that were to happen.

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The new broadcast deals have already guaranteed the growth will continue for the next decade. Any new deals will begin being negotiated years before those expire. There will always be plenty of foresight before any extended contraction could take place. For now any contraction wouldn't hurt the league, it would affect the broadcast partners that have already committed to what they pay the league.

The only thing that could cause a hiccup in the massive growth worldwide would be another pandemic or a world war. In either case the profitability of the NFL would have little importance in comparison.

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It seems quite a few people do not understand how these restructures work. The players are not negatively affected by these restructures. If anything they receive salary that would have been paid weekly throughout the season in a lump sum immediately upon restructure into the signing bonus. They can start collecting interest on it now instead of later.

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Only twice in the history of the cap has it gone down and that was during the height of the pandemic (2021) and the year after the league was uncapped in 2010 (CBA dispute). The year following the 2021 season the cap more than doubled the highest jump in the history of the cap increasing by almost $26 million in a single year (2022). For a comparison, that single year increase was only $7 million less than the entire cap in 1994 ($34.6M).

This is what I have been trying to stress for years around here. Just based upon the current deals the cap will grow to over $300 million before the end of this decade. Only something catastrophic can affect the growth.

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NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Saints are "closing in on a multiyear contract extension" with DE Tanoh Kpassagnon.

Kpassagnon signed with the Saints two years ago and is set to become a free agent in the spring. He has six sacks and as many TFLs in 23 appearances with the team. The Saints have numerous defensive linemen with expiring contracts this offseason. Bringing back Kpassagnon gives them some flexibility with who the are forced to let walk.

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Taylor Lewan.... Should we?

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Therefore it will never, never ever happen again . There is nothing to see here.

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I don't think Underhill's comment is the whole truth. I think its more accurate to say you can keep pushing money forward as long as you keep the player the money is attached to on the roster. To keep them on the roster indefinitely, you do need to add money, as they require base salaries and rarely except veteran minimum numbers long term if they have been paid much more before. When they leave the roster, all that money comes due for that league year or split 50/50 with the next league year. So if humans did not age, it would be a great strategy. But when you are one of the oldest NFL rosters and you are talking about restructuring contracts to push money far out into the future for your oldest players, and you start every league year the most over the cap in the league, it becomes a big problem. I am not confident that Andrus Peat, Taysom Hill, Tyrann Mathieu, or even Cameron Jordan or Demario Davis will be productive players in their 40's or especially 50's. If we wanted to blow up the cap, it would have been smarter to do it during the latter years of Drew's prime to add high dollar free agent oline depth, TE, corners, etc. But Loomis did not need rings to keep his job, he just needed 7-10 or 9-7 or whatever, so we didn't. Now we are blowing up the cap to win 7, 8, 9 games because Loomis does not care about rings, he cares about minimum standards for job security.

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Oh, it could happen again. It might be twenty years from now, but if you were a betting man you make a fortune betting on it to rise every year. If something like another pandemic came about someday it really only hits the strategy for a year or two at the most. Well worth the gamble.

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I'm pretty sure that Marcus Davenport will get to test the market after we offer him a fair market contract. If he takes it and goes somewhere else then we finally get something for him with a compensatory pick. It's not the ideal scenario after using two first round draft picks on him but it's probably the best we can do.

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Read an article yesterday on the "possibility" of Davenport ending up with Demeco out in Houston. Imagine him turning Marcus D into a 10+-sack DE :eek: .

Boy, that would be a terrible look for Dennis Allen.

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Yes it would. But that may not be the only thing that makes Dennis Allen look terrible. Have you checked out his play calling?

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The Saints have had a pretty solid defense since Allen's return. I'm not sure that Davenport having success somewhere else would necessarily reflect poorly on Allen.
That said, I would hate it if he were to become what the Saints and their fans have been expecting for the past few years on a team other than the Saints.

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I'm speaking in terms of individual production. Is Allen and his staff really getting the most out of these players? I never saw anything new (just a bull rush) in his repertoire over the last 4 years. IMO he looked uninterested at times.

2022 for Marcus was below average.

The lack of consistent production has always looked odd to me.

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I agree. You'd think for a year as important as the last year on his contract he'd perform at a higher level.

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Highest graded pass rusher on the Saints.

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Unfortunately, that's not saying a whole lot on Sundays.

The Saints were dead last in pass rush win rate for 2022.