Jeremy Shockey

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-07-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by JKool

Jean,

That seems like quite a fair question. I'm certainly on board with the idea that teams that tend to win SBs have great defenses, but why should it be inconceivable that a team with a good (not great) defense and a great offense can't win? Is that actually inconceivable?

It's not that it's inconceivable, just unlikely.

By the way JP and JK, the 49ers in the 80s had a top 10 scoring defense (regular season) every year that they won the SB:

2nd in 1981, 1st in 1984, 8th in 1988, 3rd in 1989. 6th in 1994.

So did the Rams in the 1990s.

In fact the last two years are the exceptions since 1983. The Giants were 17th and the Colts were 23rd. However, the Giants were 1st last postseason and the Colts were 2nd in the postseason their SB winning year. Each were under 17 pts/game and each played 4 games.

BTW last year the Pats were #2 a scant 0.1 ppg behind the Giants in the postseason. And they too were in the top 10 in scoring defense in the regular season.

The Patriots in the SB were the poster boys for the perfect offense. And they got shut down. Any defense that can stop the run and rush the passer with their front 4 are going to win a ton of football games. Just look at Tennesee last year as a perfect example. Their offense was frankly horrific. Yet they won 10 games in arguably the best division currently in the NFL and made the playoffs.

Teams who don't play defense do not win championships.

There's a reason that it's both in my signature and my avatar.

SFIAH

Tobias-Reiper · 05-08-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The Patriots in the SB were the poster boys for the perfect offense. And they got shut down.

What exactly do you consider "a perfect offense"? And what exactly do you consider an offense getting "shut down"? Sure the Patriots looked mighty impressive destroying the Jets and Redskins and Buffalo in the regular season, but the post season is another beast.

The fact remains that the Patriots offense took the lead with 2 minutes left. So they didn't get shut down.

Teams who don't play defense do not win championships.

That is true, but they need to play offense and special teams as well.

05-07-2008, 07:48 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by JKool Jean, That seems like quite a fair question. I'm certainly on board with the idea that teams that tend to win SBs have great defenses, but why should it be inconceivable that a team with a good (not great) defense and a great offense can't win? Is that actually inconceivable? It's not that it's inconceivable, just unlikely. By the way JP and JK, the 49ers in the 80s had a top 10 scoring defense (regular season) every year that they won the SB: 2nd in 1981, 1st in 1984, 8th in 1988, 3rd in 1989. 6th in 1994. So did the Rams in the 1990s. In fact the last two years are the exceptions since 1983. The Giants were 17th and the Colts were 23rd. However, the Giants were 1st last postseason and the Colts were 2nd in the postseason their SB winning year. Each were under 17 pts/game and each played 4 games. BTW last year the Pats were #2 a scant 0.1 ppg behind the Giants in the postseason. And they too were in the top 10 in scoring defense in the regular season. The Patriots in the SB were the poster boys for the perfect offense. And they got shut down. Any defense that can stop the run and rush the passer with their front 4 are going to win a ton of football games. Just look at Tennesee last year as a perfect example. Their offense was frankly horrific. Yet they won 10 games in arguably the best division currently in the NFL and made the playoffs. Teams who don't play defense do not win championships. There's a reason that it's both in my signature and my avatar. SFIAH
	Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

05-08-2008, 10:26 AM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The Patriots in the SB were the poster boys for the perfect offense. And they got shut down. What exactly do you consider "a perfect offense"? And what exactly do you consider an offense getting "shut down"? Sure the Patriots looked mighty impressive destroying the Jets and Redskins and Buffalo in the regular season, but the post season is another beast. The fact remains that the Patriots offense took the lead with 2 minutes left. So they didn't get shut down. Teams who don't play defense do not win championships. That is true, but they need to play offense and special teams as well.