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Potential Trade Partners with two picks in the second round and Trade Values:
New Orleans - 1.15(15) [1050] Cincinnati - 2.5(37)[530] (from OAK), 2.21(53) [370], 3.22(86) [160] = [1060] Miami - 2.10(42) [480], 2.22(54) [360] (from IND), 3.15(47) [195], 3.20(52) [170]* = [1035] *Miami 3.20 pick Not Included in Total Points Trading Down, Miami Scenario... As much as I want Ogletree, we should be huddling with Cincy or Miami... We could trade down and secure very fine talent at a number of positions... Saints/Bengals Trade Scenario Saints trade rights to RB Chris Ivory and pick 1.15 (15) for Dolphins' picks 2.10 (42), 2.22 (54 from IND), 3.15 (77) 2013 Saint's Draft Mock (Jeanpierre) [Updated 2013/04/09] 2.10 (42) CB David Amerson, NC State R2 Forfeit 2.22 (54 from IND) LB Jaime Collins, So. Miss* 3.13 (75) OL Barrett Jones, Bama 3.15 (77) OT David Quessenberry, San Jose State 4.12 (109) LB Chase Thomas, Stanford 5.11 (144) DE Joe Kruger, Utah 6.15 (183) DT Kwame Geathers, Georgia *Ogletree is currently trending at an average of 38th overall (He's a First Rounder To Me); if Ogletree isn't there as he shouldn't be, I'd select 2.10 (42) CB CB David Amerson, NC State who would be a press coverage CB, and his 6'2" 215# frame meets size specifications for an ideal cornerback (oh no he didn't)... |
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Thats a nice draft.
Should have the choice of at least two of Queenberry,Armstead or Faulk at that early 3rd rounder. |
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That would be epic! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/reposit.../bravo-009.gif |
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Doubt Fluker will be there in the second round... Swap the slots you'd take Barrett and Margus and that is very plausible... Terron Armstead will be gone by mid second round... Swap the slots of Hughes and Faulk, and that too should be there... Geathers should still be there in Round 5... Round 6, WTH? BPA? You better find us a real name soldier! Quote:
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Also, being able to move lineman around could be yet another nightmare for opposing defense to deal with... Both those young men are athletic and can move, which I prize in an offensive lineman... |
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OL Barrett Jones looks to be starting the season out on PUP list. so he should drop a bit.
2.21 (53)DT Margus Hunt/Jonathon Hankins still not sold on either one. |
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2.21 Brandon Williams
Geathers is going to be a bust. Use the fifth round pick for a quarterback. |
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That's really good news, since the Saints wouldn't need him to step in immediately and could, therefore, easily invest a lower round pick to get Jones for the future (aka 2014 to replace DLP). Now, it would seem maybe wasteful to pick a player who's likely to land on the PUP when the Saints have limited number of picks and a number of positions to fill. But Barrett Jones is another one of those players along with Faulk who would be a higher pick in any other year with less O-line talent, and if he were in a better health condition. To me, hitting the sweet-spot between investing in the future while also addressing current needs is the way a franchise can continue to "be in the hunt" year after year. Hunt, Amerson, and Collins would all be good 2nd round picks for the Saints, IMO. |
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2013 Saint's Draft Mock (JeanPierre)
[Updated 2013/04/11] R1(15) LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia R2 Forfeit R3(75) LB Chase Thomas, Stanford R4(109) DE Joe Kruger, Utah R5(144) NT T.J. Barnes, Georgia Tech R6(183) SS Cody Davis, Texas Tech :bng: |
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Try to make do with a mixture of Jones,Brown and Smith? |
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I can't believe that they have Mingo falling that for to the Saints if he's there get him.
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Really don't want Mingo...
...he's a "tweener" and that cries "specialist" and do not want to spend a first round pick on that... ...he's already twenty-four (24) years old... ...he disappeared this past season compared to last and didn't make the adjustments to continue to have an impact... ...we already have similar players on the squad in Galette, we need a better fit in the new 3-4 OLB... |
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Papz, mea culpa, found article, source and I did make a mistake and you are correct that Mingo is 22 and Jarvis Jones is 24...
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...and there you will find our Left Tackle... |
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Flashback: 2010 NFL Draft
First Round, Pick # 32 New Orleans Saints select CB Patrick Robinson, Florida State... the next pick... Second Round, Pick #33 St. Louis Rams select OT Rodger Saffold, Indiana... D'oh! |
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ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi believes the Browns will trade one of OLB/DE Jabaal Sheard or DE/DT Ahtyba Rubin.
Sheard and Rubin aren't believed to be great fits for the new 3-4 scheme, and both players are young and skilled enough to bring back some value. Sheard, 24 next month, has 15.5 sacks in his two seasons. Rubin, 26, goes 6-foot-2 and 330 pounds, and he is strong versus the run with a bit of pass rush skill. The Browns are without a second-round pick, so that's likely the asking price. Source: Tony Grossi on Twitter If we were able to move a mid round pick for Rubin, I'd love the move. I'm not exactly sure how he's going to fit, but if we're going to take a down lineman in the mid rounds, Rubin would be much more enticing. I can remember wanting him in the '08 draft. |
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The defensive line featured a rotation of: 93 Wayne Martin 69 Les Miller 73 Frank Warren 94 Jim Wilks Other than once with Martin, they were not Probowlers, but the three man fronts would disrupt the oppositions blocking schemes and allow the four All-Pro Linebackers to wreak havoc, creating sacks, fumbles, interceptions and defensive touchdowns... The Saints front just needs to use three defensive lineman to occupy five-six blockers to gain an advantage of linebackers attacking quarterbacks and running backs... Right now, we do have a need for five technique tackle/ends... |
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2013 Saint's Draft Mock (JeanPierre)
[Updated 2013/04/14] R1(15) LB Alec Ogletree, University of Georgia R2 Forfeit R3(75) OT David Quessenberry, San José State University R4(109) DE Montori Hughes, University of Tennessee at Martin R5(144) NT T.J. Barnes, Georgia Institute of Technology R6(183) SS Cody Davis, Texas Tech University :bng: |
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock says he is "scared to death" of Georgia LB Alec Ogletree as a first-round pick due both to off- and on-field concerns.
Ogletree is a candidate to slide out of the first round because his character is a nightmare. "I’m scared to death about Ogletree, both for on- and off-the-field issues," Mayock said. "When you put the tape on, he has no clue what he’s doing. He looks like a safety that somebody plugged inside at inside linebacker. He just runs around." Mayock also called Ogletree's work ethic and passion for the game "question marks right now." Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News |
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All I have heard out if Mayock for months is that nobody seems worthy of a top 20 pick.Somebody needs picked early and he just seems scared to put his cards on the table this year.
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I like Ogletree... just not what he'll bring to our team. He's not that pass rusher I want outside. That's not saying he won't be a good pro... I think he will be. Just not for us. I disagreed big time with Mayock rating McCoy over Suh the other draft. But if you look back, well, I'd have to agree with him. The man compared to a lot of other draft nicks, is pretty solid. Also while I don't want to knock Damond, you've got to consider the source. Just saying. |
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Ogletree has speed to burn; and as a rookie he could come in with limited assignments as an OLB and be told go get the quarterback or cover this guy in the flat and he will be able to do it; he can learn the position and develop and have an impact immediately as a first rounder should...
...pick 15 is tricky because you will get a look at a Top 10 pick because the perennial bottom feeders usually overreach and some amazing talent comes through - the behavior of Ogletree concerns me, but it's that wildness that I think channeled correctly that this defense needs to spark it... |
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I think back to one of those sayings that carries me through many hard times, "Blessed be ye who expect nothing for ye will seldom be disappointed." That's what I've been applying to our first rounders for years. In that light, the draft pick that worries me most is the one we waste on the Smokin' Badger. I called that one months ago. Mathieu could be the top talent in the draft, but who cares? He'll spend his NFL days on suspension. RG won't give him the 10+ chances Les did.
If it makes you guys feel any better, I find both those talking heads less than useless. |
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talking heads great band
i am back to hoping Cooper falls into our lap he would be the BPA hands down on my board. a steal at 15. Plus teams would be calling through out the first and well into the second to see if we can work deal for him. I like the safety net he provides The way the FA OG are signing now in the top 15 it is looking more and more like that might happen. |
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Defense for sure
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And She Was and Take me to the river were important songs as an early twenty something in love in New England, summer - ahhh... Now life is defintely Once in a Lifetime (How did I get here?)... but Burning Down the House definitely is one of the great Football Stadium Songs... But Hagan, think you're onto something with Cooper and saavy Saints brass ought to parlay some leverage over the Rams who are trying to build an uber-Offensive Line to deal with division rivals 49ers and S'hawks... hmmm... |
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Hoping for a little Psycho Killer on the D side myself.
Instead of us taking Cooper, think we could Parley the fifteen into a couple of decent picks so we're not stuck with an OG just in case? Of all the positions we need, OG is pretty far down the list. |
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Cooper would be traded onward before the 1st round was over if the Saints were to pick him with their 1st rounder - otherwise, picking him wouldn't really make any sense.
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Former LSU tackle Chris Faulk took a pre-draft visit with the New Orleans Saints on Tuesday, according to the Baltimore Sun. The Saints are still looking for help at tackle, so the visit isn't out of left field.
Faulk missed all of last year for the Tigers with a knee injury, but elected to enter the draft anyway. The 6-foot-6, 331-pound tackle is slated as a fifth-round prospect by NFLDraftScout.com. I hope we take him in the mid rounds. Little risk with a good amount of upside. |
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with the idea of trading Ivory i have been looking at RB a bit more
Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA is a solid pick for the saints. he is another PT in my opion which is key. solid in the passing game and good at pass protection. Brian Schwenke, C, Cal - is probably the best true OC that would not only fit the saints system but give the saints a mobile OC that can pull and get to the next level Terry Hawthorne, CB, Illinois - is an interesting prospect that is climbing the boards. go back 2 years and you see more of his game than last year. like so many of the Illi players. Bennie Logan DT LSU - but can he play NT? Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford - we talked about him The 2013 draft's 'Better-than' Team - CBSSports.com |
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We've got to find a way to use Ingram or trade him while he's got some value left... Logan could play End for the Saints - only issue is he's always been in a rotation, what happens in the NFL when a man goes down and you don't have 80 suited up on Sunday?!? Schwenke wouldn't be a bad pick... |
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the same dr that rebuilt drew and so many other sports stars Dr "what his name" put no red flags on Faulk playing this year and says he will be ready to go. granted our Dr need to do their thing but the guy is the guru. his clearance is basically the same thing as an act of god lol i posted the web site earlier. so i think those 5th round and lower dreams have been flushed away |
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What are people's thought on Sheldon Richardson with our 1st.He was ranked that highly pre combine but has slipped down a bit since.If Hicks is to play minutes at NT some depth is needed at DE.
I'm unsure on all the OLB personally.I really like Jones and if the doctors say he is healthy then I'd pull the trigger.He may have a shorter career but who knows what the cap situation will be like after his rookie deal anyway.I don't care that his numbers don't look as good when in shorts,the guy is a football player.I still like Ogletree too. |
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