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jeanpierre 03-04-2013 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 483308)
So, 52 pages here and it looks like the one thing we agree on is we need tackles -on both lines and just generally when our defense is on the field. Right?

Ain't it great!

FinSaint 03-04-2013 08:24 AM

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I think we can all agree that we need talent - talent that translates into greatness on the field - no matter what the position or which side of the ball.

jeanpierre 03-04-2013 12:40 PM

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NFL wants to know if fans will pay $25 to attend the Combine | ProFootballTalk

Hagan, call me, we'll do Lunch in Indy...

hagan714 03-05-2013 05:03 AM

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lol your on

hagan714 03-05-2013 05:11 AM

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now in the third i am pondering Ryan Swope, WR, Texas A&M not that is a need but i can SP loading up

FinSaint 03-05-2013 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 483562)
now in the third i am pondering Ryan Swope, WR, Texas A&M not that is a need but i can SP loading up


I really hope not... nothing against the guy, but the only offensive picks I'd like to see would be an OT and/or a TE - the rest should go to defensive players.

hagan714 03-05-2013 08:29 AM

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i agree but i wonder if SP can pass up yet another toy for the offense. this year has some good ones.

I am still looking at some tapes on line of the kid and SP has to be giggling about what he could do with the kid

That or some of those WR/RB/QB speed demons

SP seemed to have more fun play calling with Reggie on the team. same with the offense. since that fell through the saints play calling has lost some of its fun factor in its offense.

so i have to wonder

jeanpierre 03-05-2013 10:24 AM

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Gotta believe Payton knows his offense can score with anyone; his defense, worst in history is handicapping him...

But those holes at offensive tackle are glaring...

K Major 03-05-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 482365)
mea culpa...

First, Jenkins will have an 11mil cap hit next season...

Second, I know this will fire the Harper/Crimson Camp up, but Harper blows...and so does Harper's coverage and tackling - he's like a Corvette that runs outta gas trying to beat a Pacer in the quarter mile but, oh, he can win the light duty class in a tractor pull...

The sacks are fine but I would rather my DB be best at Passes Defensed, Interceptions, and Forced Fumble Jarring Hits...and be paid commensurate to what he brings the team...Harper at the least should be a salary dump...

...So that's why I say we need to add Safety Prospects soon...

I'm with you.

jeanpierre 03-05-2013 11:40 AM

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NFL Draft Headlines | Mayock: Swope has a history of concussions - Rotoworld.com

lee909 03-05-2013 11:43 AM

I don't want anyone with a history if concussions.You just have to look at Javid Best at the Lions.

TheOak 03-05-2013 12:01 PM

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So it seems that everyone wants a DE...

Who is leaving?
Smith - 6.7 mil in dead money
McBride - 1m cap hit (No dead money)
Gallet - RFA
Jordan - 3 mil in dead money
Wilson -328k in dead money


At this point we cant bring on extras, we have to replace.

jeanpierre 03-05-2013 01:16 PM

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3-4 Defensive End Options: Cam Jordan, Akiem Hicks, Greg Romeus

papz 03-05-2013 01:43 PM

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Would like to see Romeus make it through a training camp before we even consider him an option. Right now he's just another camp body... if we can even call him that.

jeanpierre 03-05-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 483685)
Would like to see Romeus make it through a training camp before we even consider him an option. Right now he's just another camp body... if we can even call him that.

Yeah, I like pulling for the hard luck cases; but this is year 3 and while he showed the talent at Pitt, it's got to happen now...

FinSaint 03-05-2013 04:28 PM

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I wonder if Braylon Broughton would be an OLB or a DE in the 3-4..?

I mean he has put on about 20 lbs since he came out of TCU and he's 272 lbs at the moment (6-6), so maybe if he put on some more weight he could be a 3-4 DE.

Danno 03-05-2013 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 483690)
Yeah, I like pulling for the hard luck cases; but this is year 3 and while he showed the talent at Pitt, it's got to happen now...

Yeah, I'm a sucker for the underdogs too, but this poor guy blew his good knee out in a non-contact drill.

If it wasn't for bad luck...

SmashMouth 03-05-2013 07:07 PM

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Terrell Sinkfield posts 4.19

Northern Iowa receiver Terrell Sinkfield reportedly ran the 40-yard dash in 4.19 seconds at a pro day held Monday at the University of Minnesota.

The blazing time came in his second attempt at the 40 and was so fast that he was asked to run a third time, something none of the other prospects who participated in the pro day was asked to do, according to FoxSportsNorth.com.

Running Away With It
Amid reports that N. Iowa WR Terrell Sinkfield ran a 4.1 40-yard dash, we take a look at the fastest official 40 times at the NFL combine since 2006.

Time (seconds)
Chris Johnson
(ECU, 2008) 4.24
Jacoby Ford
(Clemson, 2010) 4.28
DeMarcus Van Dyke
(Miami, 2011) 4.28
Yamon Figurs
(Kansas State, 2007) 4.30
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Maryland, 2009) 4.30 -- NFL.com
Sinkfield reportedly stumbled on the third attempt but still ran a 4.44.

"I knew it was good when I finished," Sinkfield told the website of his 4.19 time. "I was pretty happy, so I came back. I thought I messed up when they said go again. I'm like, 'Dang, why do I have to run again?' "

Sinkfield reportedly ran 4.27 in his first attempt for an average of 4.3 on the three runs.

"I was trying to shoot for a 4.19. I knew it was good when I finished," Sinkfield told The (St. Paul) Pioneer Press. "The fastest I've done [before Monday] was 4.2. I was running 4.3s in high school."

Scott Studwell, the Minnesota Vikings' director of college scouting, however, told The Pioneer Press that he didn't have any times under 4.3 for Sinkfield.

Wide Receiver Runs 40-Yard Dash In 4.19 Seconds - ESPN Video - ESPN

"He ran in the high 4.3s. He can run. He ran fast. He tested well," he told the newspaper.

The scouting combine record time in the 40 is the 4.24 run by Chris Johnson at the 2008 event.

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jeanpierre 03-05-2013 10:48 PM

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2013 Saint's Draft Mock (JeanPierre)

R1(15) Traded to Rams

R1(22) Trade from Rams, Saints select LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia

R2(46) Trade from Rams, Saints select OL Barrett Jones, Alabama

R3(75) OT Chris Faulk, LSU

R4(106) Traded to Rams

R5 NT Kwame Geathers, Georgia

6R LB Ty Powell, Harding


:bng:

lee909 03-06-2013 01:14 AM

I like it,but I don't see the Rams trading with us.They pick at 16 so I don't see them missing out on somebody by waiting.

FinSaint 03-06-2013 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 483792)
I like it,but I don't see the Rams trading with us.They pick at 16 so I don't see them missing out on somebody by waiting.


Well, they could move up from their 22nd in the 1st - which they received from the 'Skins - to have two consecutive picks at 15 and 16 if the right offensive and defensive linemen were there for them, which are both a need for them. Also, based on JP's proposal, they'd be giving up their 2nd rounder while gaining the Saints' 4th rounder, so they wouldn't be decreasing their overall number of picks in the draft.

I know it's somewhat unlikely, but if the right player(s) are there, they might be tempted to trade up - just like any other team really.

jeanpierre 03-06-2013 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 483792)
I like it,but I don't see the Rams trading with us.They pick at 16 so I don't see them missing out on somebody by waiting.

They need a One WR and multiple offensive line positions, especially a Left Tackle, moving their second No. 1 up will give them a go at either Johnson, Womack, Patterson, Eifert, Vacarro...

lee909 03-06-2013 04:22 AM

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I hope your right.
I could see a similar deal with the Bengals being a option.

lee909 03-06-2013 04:36 AM

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DT
Montori Hughes
Tennessee-Martin Ohio Valley
Photo of Montori Hughes
6'4" Height
32 5/8" Arm Length
329LBS. Weight
10 1/8" Hands

Overview

Hughes’ collegiate journey has not been ideal, in terms of the maturity and consistency NFL scouts look for in top-tier prospects. Academic issues forced him to go to Hargrave Military Academy for a semester after high school graduation instead of beginning his career with the Tennessee Volunteers. He was suspended for the 2010 regular season finale, as well as from team activities during the following offseason, for violating team academic rules while at Tennessee, and eventually was dismissed from the school after playing a part in a dorm incident in May 2011. Hughes has shown off his agility and strength inside during his time at Tennessee-Martin, however, enticing scouts enough to consider him at least a valuable rotational NFL player.



Hughes wound up with 106 tackles, 25 for loss and 13 sacks as a senior at Murfreesboro High School, and his performance at the Toyota East-West All-Star Classic caused UT to have great interest in his services. He enrolled in school in January of 2009, participating in spring practice so he could be prepared to play every game with the Volunteers in his first fall on campus (20 tackles, two for loss). He began his sophomore year as a starter, lining up with the ones the first five games (including once against UTM) before going to a reserve role the rest of the year (17 tackles, 3.5 for loss, one sack). He played in every game, starting seven, for the Skyhawks after his transfer in 2011 (30 tackles, 6.5 for loss, one sack). In his senior season, Hughes managed 31 tackles (8.5 for loss), four sacks, and 13 QB hurries.
Analysis
Strengths
NFL-sized nose tackle with thick upper body and strength through the thighs. Flashes initial quickness off the ball, can drive the center backwards or lift him off the ground post-snap when fully utilizing his strength and explosiveness. Does not give much ground against single or double blocks. Shows the agility to spin off blocks and move to the ball down the line. Provides pressure up the middle with a swim move or quick movement into either A-gap. Quick enough to chase quarterbacks trying to leave the pocket if free from his block, can also force cut backs by ballcarriers by his effort to the ball in the backfield. Works hard to hold the line using his lower body strength, and can split doubles to get to the ball in tight quarters. Flashes violent hands to rip off man-up blocks.
Weaknesses
Needs to use his hands more consistently to control his man and gain leverage. Can struggle to disengage to make plays. Will anticipate the snap at times, jumping offside or getting off-balance so centers can control him. Lacks closing speed and the ability to break down to make many plays outside the box against elusive ballcarriers. Takes time to recover once on the ground. Played against a lower level of competition after being dismissed from Tennessee, was far from dominant in terms of his strength against better FCS players. Work ethic and stamina has been questioned.
NFL Comparison
Linval Joseph
Bottom Line
Hughes is a wide-body nose tackle with the agility scouts and coaches love to see. He needed a prep school detour for academic issues, which dogged him during his time in Tennessee as well before his dismissal from that program. Teams will need to see him prove his work ethic, but if he does, he could be a nice rotational piece for a 4-3 base defensive team at the next level.



Dont get why the describe him as a NT then say he could be a nice rotational player for a 4-3.Depends on offfield issue.Mocked as a 5th round pick by Walter football

jeanpierre 03-06-2013 07:20 AM

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I was just going over the scouting again of Montori Hughes; came away with the impression that the overall production would not be worth the risk he presents; also think he's more suited to a 4-3 proformation defense than the 3-4...

lee909 03-06-2013 07:46 AM

Just saw him mocked and thought be worth seeing some views on him.Never heard of him myself.

hagan714 03-06-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 483799)
Well, they could move up from their 22nd in the 1st - which they received from the 'Skins - to have two consecutive picks at 15 and 16 if the right offensive and defensive linemen were there for them, which are both a need for them. Also, based on JP's proposal, they'd be giving up their 2nd rounder while gaining the Saints' 4th rounder, so they wouldn't be decreasing their overall number of picks in the draft.

I know it's somewhat unlikely, but if the right player(s) are there, they might be tempted to trade up - just like any other team really.


i think if any team is going to trade with us it is for the soul purpose of moving in front of the rams to pick OL players. those are the teams i am looking at. if the rams trade up things will get interesting

hagan714 03-06-2013 08:15 AM

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Montori Hughes for a fourth or a fifth and another NT in the mix might be worth risk to develop.

ok i am now at

1olb
2OT
2 NT/DT
1 CB
ok running out of picks need to rethink this lol

FinSaint 03-06-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 483831)
Montori Hughes for a fourth or a fifth and another NT in the mix might be worth risk to develop.

ok i am now at

1olb
2OT
2 NT/DT
1 CB
ok running out of picks need to rethink this lol


How about:

1 OLB
1 OT
1 NT
1 CB
1 TE

jeanpierre 03-06-2013 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 483777)
2013 Saint's Draft Mock (JeanPierre)

R1(15) Traded to Rams

R1(22) Trade from Rams, Saints select LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia

R2(46) Trade from Rams, Saints select OL Barrett Jones, Alabama

R3(75) OT Chris Faulk, LSU

R4(106) Traded to Rams

R5 NT Kwame Geathers, Georgia

6R LB Ty Powell, Harding


:bng:

Okay, Hagan's got me crushing on Barrett Jones now, so it's...

Looking like an all-weekend Canal St/Magazine St/Bourbon St Tag and Release Weekend to offset the man-crush on two prospects, Ogletree and Jones, I really want to see the Saints get in their abbreviated draft...

hagan714 03-06-2013 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 483942)
Okay, Hagan's got me crushing on Barrett Jones now, so it's...

Barrett Jones I still think a player of his skills is hard to over look.

Solid OG
He then started all 14 contests at right guard as a redshirt freshman for Nick Saban's first BCS champion Tide squad in 2009.

Above average LOT
Jones made the rare switch from right guard to left tackle in 2011 to replace James Carpenter, a first-round pick of the Seattle Seahawks. He handled the transition so well (while also playing left guard, right tackle and center at times) for the Bowl Championship Series champions that he received the Outland Trophy as the nation’s best “interior lineman” as well as the SEC’s Jacob Blocking Trophy, given to the league’s best lineman.

Solid OC
His final year on campus featured another move, this time to the center position. He capped the year off with another consensus selection to the All-American and All-SEC teams, as well as winning the Rimington Trophy (awarded to the nation’s top center)

Off the Feild

He also possesses the intelligence and high character NFL offensive line coaches desire in their prospects, finishing his degree in accounting in just three years, and won the Wuerffel Trophy for his play on the field and work in the academic and community service worlds.

Power and finesses is there. he has starting RT written all over him for years to come. Most people think he is only a OC/OG i dont think so.

Pro Bowls? very possible. College awards are there

injury history
Shoulder his Freshman year
dreaded lis franc injury limiting his mobility over the second half of the season.
Warning this is not a minor injury. this is my major concern on him. This kind of injury has a habit of resurfacing over and over. serious nagging injury, medical evals are key.

if he falls to the third you have to take him. i have actually seen his name in the third now. IMO no way does he fall that far. if the Saints end up with a second rounder they have to really look at him as an option

Barrett Jones Draft Profile

hagan714 03-06-2013 04:58 PM

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Peter Lalich QB Virgina, Oregon State, California University of Pennsylvania
6-5 235

Busted in Virgina for buying beer under age
Busted at Oregon St. for boating DUI.

He would love New orleans lol. Come on we all have done these things. he is suppose to be extremely football smart. Just makes you wonder if Bonehead also fits. Then again his ego is probably very deflated now and might have taken of the rose color elite joke glasses.

All jokes aside the kid should go undrafted and might be worth a camp spot for UDFA.

Yahoo cover story may have finally paid off.

A Reputation Rebuilt: Former Prep Star's Uncommon Road To The Cusp Of The NFL | ThePostGame

Crusader 03-07-2013 02:42 AM

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Representatives from 21 NFL teams gathered at Mississippi State’s pro day on March 6, where 18 players worked out. Notable coaches present were New York Giants defensive line coach Robert Nunn, New Orleans Saints defensive backs coach Wesley McGriff and Denver Broncos defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio.

Johnthan Banks, CB (6-foot-2, 186 pounds) — Banks ran the 40-yard dash in 4.58 and 4.59 seconds, had a 4.28-second short shuttle, and a 34 1/2-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-6 broad jump. While his 40 time was slightly better than the 4.61 seconds he ran at the NFL Scouting Combine, Banks looked good in the positional workout.

Darius Slay, CB (6-0, 192) — Slay did not work out in the positional drills after pulling a muscle running the 60-yard shuttle. Slay did manage to do a 32 1/2-inch vertical jump. Slay posted the the best 40-yard dash time (4.36) among defensive backs at the combine.

Josh Boyd, DT (6-3, 307) — Boyd ran 5.18 and 5.12 in the 40, and 4.71 in the short shuttle. Boyd looked good in the defensive line drills run by Nunn. He also moved very well in the bag drills.

Chad Bumphis, WR (5-10 1/8, 196) — Bumphis ran the 40 in 4.58 and 4.52 seconds, 6.91 in the three-cone drill and 4.26 in the short shuttle. He had a 35-inch vertical and 9-10 broad jump, and performed 17 lifts of 225 pounds on the bench press.

Shane McCardell, DL (6-4 1/4, 247) — McCardell ran the 40 in 4.66 and 4.68 seconds, had a 4.38-second short shuttle and 7.09-second three-cone drill. He had a 35-inch vertical and 10-0 broad jump. He lifted 225 pounds on the bench 11 times. McCardell worked out both as a defensive lineman and linebacker at the Bulldogs’ pro day.

Neither Bumphis nor McCardell were invited to the combine, and each player is a possible rookie free-agent pickup this spring.


Johnthan Banks has slightly faster 40 at Mississippi State Pro Day - NFL.com

I'm curious if its Banks or Slay we might be interested in. I like the height in Banks but would have wanted him a little heavier, and faster.

jeanpierre 03-07-2013 06:58 AM

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Those shuttle and cone drill times are interesting, so I'd bring McCardell in for a Free Agent Look - pass on the rest...

Seer1 03-07-2013 07:07 AM

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Then there's that kid from Northern Iowa that ran a 4.19 40.

hagan714 03-07-2013 12:15 PM

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Darius Slay, CB (6-0, 192) - i am always interested in the starting CB teams go after to avoid the star. i would look closer at him

Johnthan Banks, CB (6-foot-2, 186 pounds) Now I see why he played FS starting of in College. His Ball skills moved him to CB. I say back to FS/CB from CB/FS.

hmmm worth a peek for sure

Shane McCardell, DL (6-4 1/4, 247)

Josh Boyd, DT (6-3, 307)

jeanpierre 03-07-2013 09:00 PM

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Miami Pro Day was today, among others...

CB Brandon McGee may have moved out of the fourth round and up into a Day 2 selection...

WR Kendal Thompkins ran a 4.37 seconds 40yd dash...

LB Ray Buchanan, despite a season-ending knee injury in October posted a 4.53 sec 40 yd dash, 34" vertical, 10' 8" broad jump...

NT Darius Smith, 6' 2"/ 340#, produced 33 reps in the bench press exercise...

Bill Belichick was on hand...

jeanpierre 03-08-2013 05:13 AM

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2013 Saint's Draft Mock (JeanPierre)

[Updated 2013/03/08]

R1(15) Saints select LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia

R3(75) Saints select FS Bacarri Rambo, Georgia

R4(106) Saints select OT Chris Faulk, LSU

R5(137) Saints select OT Reid Fragel, Ohio St

R6(173) Saints select SS Cooper Taylor, Richmond


:bng:

jeanpierre 03-08-2013 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WalterFootball.com (Post 484326)
2013 NFL Draft Prospect Meetings: [Saints]

By Walter Cherepinsky - @walterfootball
March 7, 2013

This is a compilation of draft prospect meetings sorted by team. The data was acquired via Charlie Campbell (@draftcampbell) and other media sources.

SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day meeting.
PRI - Private Workout.
% - indicates more than one meeting.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2013 Senior Bowl or the 2013 East-West Shrine Game

New Orleans Saints:
Josh Boyd, DL, Mississippi State (EW)
Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall (SR)
Tyrone Goard, WR, Eastern Kentucky (EW)
Zaviar Gooden, LB, Missouri (SR)
Corey Grissom, DL, South Florida (SR)
Demontre Hurst, CB, Oklahoma (EW)
Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati (COM)
Zach Line, RB, SMU (EW)
TJ McDonald, DB, USC (SR)
Bradley McDougald, S, Kansas (EW)
Leon McFadden, DB, San Diego State (SR)
Brendan Melanophy, DB, Fordham (PRO)
Aaron Mellette, WR, Elon (SR)
Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M (VINT) (EW)
Chris Pantale, TE, Boston College (EW)
Trent Steelman, WR, Army (EW)
Cooper Taylor, S, Richmond (EW)
Chase Thomas, LB, Stanford (SR)
Derrick Washington, RB, Tuskegee (INT)
Brandon Williams, DL, Missouri Southern (SR)
Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor (SR)
Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas (SR)

Interviews the Saints have taken with NFL Prospects...

Note: Do you see any offensive tackles in the list?

Seer1 03-08-2013 06:55 AM

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"Note: Do you see any offensive tackles in the list?"

Doesn't really mean anything. They try to be sneaky, but judging by the record, they often outsmart themselves. Just sayin'...


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