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Gholston does seem like a project based on the film I've seen on him, and I'd be hesitant to pick him any higher than the 4th round - even then it might be reaching.
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JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 02/18/2013)
Saints Trade Back Scenario 01 (Trade Down) 01 (20-25) Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia; Height: 6-3. Weight: 236; Estimated 40 - 4.6. Excellent all-around athlete; Playmaker, sacks production, pass defender, Interceptions; Character Issues - suspended four games for positive pi$$ test; Update: Recently arrested in AZ on DUI just days before NFL Combine ... Why he'll be drafted by Saints? Wouldn't be surprised if the interview of Todd Grantham is to get more insight into reasons behind Ogletree's suspension; recent arrest will make it more likely that he'll fall, with the Saints veteran leadership and clubhouse, he's the type of bad@$$ we need on defense... 02 Goodelled 02 (52-57) David Amerson, CB, NC State; Height: 6-2. Weight: 194; Estimated 40 - 4.4. Led nation as sophomore with thirteen (13) interceptions; can move to Safety (position he was recruited for out of High School; will match up well against big, physical NFL receivers; had disappointing Junior Year which will cause him to fall to second round... Why Saints should draft him? The Saints have to get as physical with receivers as the new NFL passing defense rules will allow which mean physical engagement at the LOS and reducing the passing windows quarterbacks may throw over smaller DBs to WRs... 03 David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State; Height: 6-5. Weight: 295; Estimated 40 - 5.1. Rising prospect; Smaller school product that took advantage of his invite at the Senior Bowl and really held his own against some very polished pass rushers. Why the Saints will draft him? The Saints are different than most teams in that they commit their resources (salary cap) to their interior line; but the tackle play has been less than stellar and rumor is that Bushrod and the Saints will be far apart on contract expectations; a young, quicker, hungrier Tackle may be the ticket to energize what has been one of the best units in the league... 04 Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina; Height: 6-7. Weight: 275; Estimated 40 - 4.8. Another player who's stat lines declined this year after being named First Team All-SEC last season; his big frame offers some unique matchups, however he'll have to match up against slower right tackles; but in a 3-4, his focus will be more on occupying lineman allowing the linebackers to attack... Why the Saints will draft him? He's exactly the type of value the Saints always seem to find in the mid-rounds; and with plenty of defensive ends available the past two season, he should be available... 05 Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia; Height: 6-6. Weight: 355; Estimated 40 - 5.2. Big Strong Junior Early Entry from Georgia; Good Bloodlines; Excellent Prospect who'll be available in mid rounds as he still needs some coaching... Why Saints Should Draft Him? This is Jumpy Geathers' Nephew! 06 Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane; Height: 6-5. Weight: 206; Estimated 40 - 4.9. Pedestrian numbers for a typically disappointing Tulane Squad this past season- 9GS, 2771 PaYd, PaCp 62.2, 19 PaTD, 11 Int; so what's the big deal? He shows up at the Texas v. The World Game and surrounded with comparable talent to the other signal callers he blows it outta there with Scouts scrambling moving this All-Academic Signal Caller up draft boards... Why the Saints Will Draft Him? Curtis Johnson, former Saints WR Coach, is the new Tulane Head Coach and will give Sean Payton a no-nonsense, first-hand scouting report that will sneak the Saints an excellent prospect at QB... 07 Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford; Height: 6-7. Weight: 265; Estimated 40 - 4.7. Red Shirt Junior who's had his moments in the shadows of TE Zach Ertz including an 141 ReYD in the Arizona game and four (4) ReTd on the season; Playing behind Ertz he did not get the same level of coaching and attention and left with a year of eligibility... Why the Saints should draft him? This guy's got monster ability and just needs some coaching; with Graham coming into a contract year and the offense "limited" while Graham was injured all season; this is the type of insurance policy the Saints need behind Graham... |
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Potential trade candidates and their expected draft pick value...
Chris Ivory, RB > Fourth Round Pick Roman Harper, SS > Fourth Round Pick Pierre Thomas, RB > Third Round Pick Lance Moore, WR > Third Round Pick Patrick Robinson, CB > Third Round Pick Mark Ingram, RB > Second Round Pick |
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I would never trade Thomas or Moore for a 3rd rounder... or maybe Thomas if it was the 1st pick of the 3rd, but even then it would be hard to pull the trigger on that.
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Pierre Thomas, RB
Lance Moore, WR no way do you trade these two. something happens to this offense when these two are on the field together. i will reach and use the word attitude. the whole team plays better. I would rather trade Ingram than these two the offense just looks lost, it is not Ingram's fault. the OL is not built for his style. i am beating a dead horse but i feel he needs the disclaimer repeated Ingram for second round pick |
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I don't think you let any of those guys go for those pick ranks. I'd soonest take the 2nd for Ingram, but even then I'd prefer a high-slot 2nd. 4th for Harper, Ivory and 3rd for Moore, Thomas would be insanely stupid, unless you're just looking to dump their cap space.
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While I think Safety is the least of our defensive concerns, the more I read about this Vacarro kid from Texas the more I think he's gonna be a stud safety for years to come.
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We seem to do so much better later in the draft. We oughta just trade that one for some threes fours and fives.
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Now remember Danno, it was quite a day and I'm on my second martini, but I'm counting Colston, fudging a bit but I've got a good feeling about Hicks, so I'm counting him, Graham, not Shanle, Morestead, Jahri Evans. Now my brain hurts so I'm going back to the kitchen and figure some way for my %^$#!! blender to chip ice so it works in that shaker.
And by the way, just so's ya know. That avatar of yours always keeps me looking up. |
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I can't see not moving a running back...
I've come to respect and appreciate PT's Screen Game each and every year... Moore knack for getting separation to catch is great; but he doesn't have that YAC that you really need... I like have Ingram's strength on short yardage gains; but the lack of the home run threat is very disappointing... Ivory is fun too watch; but he's a luxury at a deep position... Harper, I've never been a fan of and his salary cap number leaves me amazed... There are several NFL personnel people who think the Saints got ir right with the Robinson pick; and though we've seen glimpses, they are few and far between and I think Malcolm Jenkins should move to that corner spot... |
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Isn't it interesting that Eric Reid of LSU has fallen out of the first round when he was a potential Top 15 pick three months ago?!?
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If Saints had a 2nd round pick, Ried would look so good in black and gold. What did he do to fall?
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J.J. Wilcox, S, Georgia Southern
Looks right up our alley. Small school 2A prospect that fits an area of interest that could be a hidden gem... in time. Would make an intriguing mid round pick. |
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Ogletree will go in the first.
No way to the Bengals/Bears/Ravens let him pass. |
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there in the fifth a no brainer ok papz i need LB out of you. every year you have 3 or 4 solid picks |
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Im really liking Quanterus Smith(6'5, 250lbs) out of Western Kentucky University with one of our later round picks,
maybe 5th or 6th. The guy had 12.5 sacks in only 10 games before tearing his ACL. I believe 3.5 of those sacks came from the Alabama game, which shows he can show up big against great talent, especially against that great Alabama O-line that consists of top talent(C Barrett Jones, G Chance Warmack, T DJ Fluker, etc.) I believe we can hit big with multiple players early if we select rite, but theres some great talent in later rounds as well that i would love to select. lets hope our "few" picks pan out. |
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"if" he can get healthy and pans out right, i believe he can be a great rotational player or starter opposite of Martez "if" we dont draft that explosive OLB early on(Dion Jordan, Keke Mingo, Jarvis Jones, Damontre Moore, Ziggy Ansah.)
Another guy i like mid round or so is Corey Lemonier out of Auburn, shows great talent and NFL potential. Let me kno your thoughts...those are just a few names. Have plenty more of names that id like to see us draft but thats good for now. |
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What's the deal with Jarvis Jones? A bunch of the talking heads refer to him as an if rather than a when.
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I know there he's got a spinal stenosis problem; I'd be reluctant to touch that with a first rounder... Ogie!!! Ogie!!! Take Ogie and all his problems at No. 15 and if we can trade back, gain a pick, and still get him, that'd be lagniappe... |
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JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 02/22/2013)
Saints Trade Back Scenario 01 (Trade Down) 01 (20-25) Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia; Height: 6-3. Weight: 236; Estimated 40 - 4.6. Excellent all-around athlete; Playmaker, sacks production, pass defender, Interceptions; Character Issues - suspended four games for positive pi$$ test; Update: Recently arrested in AZ on DUI just days before NFL Combine ... Why he'll be drafted by Saints? Wouldn't be surprised if the interview of Todd Grantham is to get more insight into reasons behind Ogletree's suspension; recent arrest will make it more likely that he'll fall, with the Saints veteran leadership and clubhouse, he's the type of bad@$$ we need on defense... 02 Goodelled 02 (52-57) David Amerson, CB, NC State; Height: 6-2. Weight: 194; Estimated 40 - 4.4. Led nation as sophomore with thirteen (13) interceptions; can move to Safety (position he was recruited for out of High School; will match up well against big, physical NFL receivers; had disappointing Junior Year which will cause him to fall to second round... Why Saints should draft him? The Saints have to get as physical with receivers as the new NFL passing defense rules will allow which mean physical engagement at the LOS and reducing the passing windows quarterbacks may throw over smaller DBs to WRs... 03 David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State; Height: 6-5. Weight: 295; Estimated 40 - 5.1. Rising prospect; Smaller school product that took advantage of his invite at the Senior Bowl and really held his own against some very polished pass rushers. Why the Saints will draft him? The Saints are different than most teams in that they commit their resources (salary cap) to their interior line; but the tackle play has been less than stellar and rumor is that Bushrod and the Saints will be far apart on contract expectations; a young, quicker, hungrier Tackle may be the ticket to energize what has been one of the best units in the league... 04 Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina; Height: 6-7. Weight: 275; Estimated 40 - 4.8. Another player who's stat lines declined this year after being named First Team All-SEC last season; his big frame offers some unique matchups, however he'll have to match up against slower right tackles; but in a 3-4, his focus will be more on occupying lineman allowing the linebackers to attack... Why the Saints will draft him? He's exactly the type of value the Saints always seem to find in the mid-rounds; and with plenty of defensive ends available the past two season, he should be available... 05 Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia; Height: 6-6. Weight: 355; Estimated 40 - 5.2. Big Strong Junior Early Entry from Georgia; Good Bloodlines; Excellent Prospect who'll be available in mid rounds as he still needs some coaching... Why Saints Should Draft Him? This is Jumpy Geathers' Nephew! 06 Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford; Height: 6-7. Weight: 265; Estimated 40 - 4.7 Red Shirt Junior who's had his moments in the shadows of TE Zach Ertz including an 141 ReYD in the Arizona game and four (4) ReTd on the season; Playing behind Ertz he did not get the same level of coaching and attention and left with a year of eligibility... Why the Saints should draft him? This guy's got monster ability and just needs some coaching; with Graham coming into a contract year and the offense "limited" while Graham was injured all season; this is the type of insurance policy the Saints need behind Graham... Some Bad choices in Free Agency, Goodell Hammerin, and Poor trades have killed our drafts... If the Saints are going to turn it around this season, they are going to need some shrewd trades and to hit on no less than four draft picks, including the first three picks... |
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I'm OK with Jordan if he's bumping 250. If he's at 230, no thanks. |
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I just worry that he's too much of a project... And I just don't trust Oregon product Dion Jordan... |
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I think we should take a serious look at that kevin minter also, that guy is a fast LB
It sure looks like everyone thinks our pick will be between ansah, jordan and mingo - we just have to hope whichever one we get will be our difference maker |
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I think Mingo is probably the safest bet out of the three, he is one hell of an athlete and can locate the ball quickly, the only real negative is when he does get blocked he struggles to disengage. |
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I like Minter a lot... but it's very unlikely we can take him. I think he's projected to be a low first/seconder rounder. Unless we move down, we don't have a legitimate shot.
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Well, I'm bullish on Ogletree; haven't liked a linebacker this much since Clay Matthews...
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ok bench and measures are in, here are some of the names thrown around her
Lane Johnson Oklahoma 6-6 303 Bench 28 arm 35.28 Terron Armstead Arkansas-Pinebluff 6-5 306 Bench 31 arm 34.08 Luke Marquardt Azusa Pacific 6-8 315 Bench 31 arm 34.48 David Quessenberry San Jose State 6-5 302 Bench 25 arm 34.38 TE Joseph Fauria UCLA 6-7 259 Bench 17 Arms 33.68 Hand 10.78 Levine Toilolo Stanford 6-8 260 Bench 17 Arms 34.48 Hand 10.28 Dion Sims Michigan State 6-5 262 Bench 22 Arms 33.18 Hand 10.48 so far so good. some of the others passed on the bench |
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I fully expect to add a TE in the draft and I haven't seen Levine Toilolo projected to go very highly... Imagine having Jimmy Graham and another TE that's 2 inches taller than him on the field at the same time! I'm really high on that possibility!
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Taller than Jimmy, now the fade in the endzone would be like stealing plus it would be funny to see a formation where Colston was the shortest WR out there
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Yeah, Imagine a two TE set with Graham (6-7) and Toilolo (6-8) together with Colston (6-4) and Toon (6-4). |
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drew can only stand so tall and so long on his tip-pie toes to se over the line. height is key then add in those arms dam large target area
Levine Toilolo Stanford 6-8 260 Bench 17 Arms 34.48 Hand 10.28 Dion Sims Michigan State 6-5 262 Bench 22 Arms 33.18 Hand 10.48 both are also good blockers to boot. they better get help in this department also need to add Vance McDonald Rice 6-4, 267 Bench 31 reps Arms 34 3/8 Hand 10.48 odds are he will not be a saint but his move up draft boards maybe the reason we might have one of these other TE available to pick. |
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