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jeanpierre 02-23-2013 03:45 PM

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Toilolo didn't have an impressive Bench Press - makes me wonder about his work ethic as an athlete...

We no longer have a seventh rounder so he's a sixth rounder for us or bust...

papz 02-23-2013 04:02 PM

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It's not uncommon for people with long arms to struggle with the bench press. I wouldn't use that as a main barometer to gauge his work ethic.

papz 02-23-2013 05:52 PM

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Caught some of the combine re-run today.

Matt Furstenburg, TE, Maryland

He's looking like a nice late round prospect... definitely earned himself a right to get drafted. Pretty good combine.

Tyler Eifert(TE, Notre Dame) looks really smooth. Someone is going to get themselves one heck of a prospect. I can see what the hype is all about.

jeanpierre 02-23-2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 481584)
It's not uncommon for people with long arms to struggle with the bench press. I wouldn't use that as a main barometer to gauge his work ethic.

Understand the long arm struggle - but there have been other flags in articles that reinforces the idea he hasn't really focused on developing his talent to be a special player...

hagan714 02-24-2013 12:03 AM

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i would hate to see the saints come out of this draft without a TE and at the least 1 OT. its to deep this year

Sarik 02-24-2013 12:06 AM

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Dion Jordan weighed in at 248lbs at the combine today. i like that.

FinSaint 02-24-2013 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 481641)
Dion Jordan weighed in at 248lbs at the combine today. i like that.


250 lbs sounds about right, thankfully it wasn't lower than that.

Danno 02-24-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 481641)
Dion Jordan weighed in at 248lbs at the combine today. i like that.

Welcome to the top 15 Dion.

230 lbs scared me. He now only needs to add about 10 lbs.

saintsfan1976 02-24-2013 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 481660)
Welcome to the top 15 Dion.

230 lbs scared me. He now only needs to add about 10 lbs.

Look for that weight to come back down.

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ordan is participating in drills at the NFL Combine, but he unveiled something on Saturday that could make teams think twice about his draft status: he's having surgery in the coming week to repair a torn labrum in his shoulder.

Jordan said that the surgery will force him to rehab over the next several months:

"Give me about 3-4 months as far as my rehab. I’m going to attack my rehab after the surgery as hard as I did before, just to make sure I’m able to show up to camp and compete with all the other guys."

That could put Jordan out for all of March-June, with a return some time in July. He would miss organized team activities and minicamps, but would probably be ready to go for training camp. The surgery is expected to hurt his stock too much, but you never know -- there are quite a few defensive end/outside linebacker types who might be attractive for teams in the first round, and a guy who isn't having surgery might end up going over Jordan.

hagan714 02-24-2013 01:03 PM

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so many players including Jordan need to check out medically.

what i love is all the Alabama OL so far have brought up questions that sport writers saying hurt their ratings. LMAO i am back to what was said in the early part of the year.

Barrett Jones is the man.

Seer1 02-24-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 481715)
so many players including Jordan need to check out medically.

what i love is all the Alabama OL so far have brought up questions that sport writers saying hurt their ratings. LMAO i am back to what was said in the early part of the year.

Barrett Jones is the man.

That's a pick that would be hard to argue about. What would we do between the draft and the start of preseason then?

jeanpierre 02-25-2013 07:33 AM

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Draft Pool for the Saints

R1 OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
R1 LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia
R1 LB Barkevious Mingo, LSU
R1 NT Jesse Williams, Bama
R2 CB David Amerson, NC State
R2 OC Barrett Jones, Bama
R2 DE Margus Hunt, SMU
3R OT Terron Armstead, Arkansas Pine-Bluff
3R FS Bacarri Rambo, Georgia
3R NT Brandon Williams, Missouri Southern
3R OT David Quessenberry, San Jose State
4R DE Devin Taylor, South Carolina
4R CB Tharold Simon, LSU
4R RB Le'Veon Bell, Michigan State
4R LB Chase Thomas, Stanford
5R NT Kwame Geathers. Georgia
5R DE David Bass, Missouri Western
5R QB Matt Scott, Arizona
6R NT T.J. Barnes, Georgia Tech
6R LB Ty Powell, Harding
6R LB Travis Johnson, San Jose State
7R TE Levine Toilolo, Stanford
7R QB Ryan Griffin, Tulane

K Major 02-25-2013 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 481641)
Dion Jordan weighed in at 248lbs at the combine today. i like that.

Really? Wow. I was thinking more like 230. He is 'biggest' slim guy DE in this years draft (lol).

Crusader 02-25-2013 08:31 AM

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Jordan ran a 4.53 at the Combine, thats FAST as hell.
Ansah ran a 4.62 which isn't all to shabby either.

lee909 02-25-2013 08:43 AM

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That shoulder issue sounds worrying though.
Hasnt been able to go into the weight room and had the issue over a year.

|Mitch| 02-25-2013 08:50 AM

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Apparently Payton is interested in Dion Jordan, just had him on tv with binoculars watching his second 40 dash.

4.64

And Corey Lemonier

2nd 40 = 4.53

lee909 02-25-2013 09:00 AM

Some real athletic talent these days.
Really annoyed we don't have a second rounder.Would have loved
1st Jordan/Ansah, 2nd Hunt

RaginCajun83 02-25-2013 09:23 AM

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I'd be happy with either Jordan or Ansah in the 1st, as long as the selection is a step in improving the defense I'll be happy

papz 02-25-2013 10:02 AM

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People are now saying both Jordan and Ansah will go between 6-10. Lots of chatter Sharrif Floyd is going to be a top 5 pick. That leaves us waiting for Mingo's numbers. And what was seemingly not likely before, Damontre Moore and Jarvis Jones may join the conversation at 15.

Everyone is looking for the next pass rushing superstar.

lee909 02-25-2013 10:23 AM

Damontre Moore managed 12 reps on the weights.That's disgraceful for 250lb lineman.

papz 02-25-2013 10:37 AM

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LSU DE/OLB Barkevious Mingo ran a pair of unofficial 4.53 forties, with a 1.55 10 yard split, at the NFL Combine.

Mingo showed a lot of burst and build up speed throughout the straight-line run. We expect him to test well throughout the day, and the LSU Tiger likely projects as a pass rushing outside linebacker.

Just as most expected, all 3 of Mingo/Jordan/Ansah put up eye popping numbers.

papz 02-25-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 481873)
Damontre Moore managed 12 reps on the weights.That's disgraceful for 250lb lineman.

Agreed. That said, his game tape speaks volumes. The weight training issues can be easily fixed.

|Mitch| 02-25-2013 10:44 AM

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Is Margus Hunt a first round talent?

He moved pretty well for a 280 lbs. guy...

lee909 02-25-2013 10:59 AM

He was a third/fourth rounder in December.Now beings mocked late first,early second.

|Mitch| 02-25-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 481882)
He was a third/fourth rounder in December.Now beings mocked late first,early second.

Mayock seems to think he is strong enough to play as a 3-4 DE, with his speed he could play OLB as well I think...

Hell; Ryan could even move him inside when he goes with his 4-3 personnel formations...

lee909 02-25-2013 11:08 AM

His stock has been rising since December.He is a amazing athlete and his 14 blocked kicks in 3 years shows that.People now saying he could be another JJ Watt.If we could draft down and get a late first,early-mid second we could potentially get him and another good player.Dont think many teams are going to be moving up though.

Crusader 02-25-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 481887)
His stock has been rising since December.He is a amazing athlete and his 14 blocked kicks in 3 years shows that.People now saying he could be another JJ Watt.If we could draft down and get a late first,early-mid second we could potentially get him and another good player.Dont think many teams are going to be moving up though.

JJ Watts was exactly who I was thinking of too just when I saw him run today. Same size and frame.

|Mitch| 02-25-2013 12:34 PM

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With all the defensive talent in this years draft; do we go D-Line or OLB in the first round?

papz 02-25-2013 01:37 PM

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Watching this LB drills, I have to say Ogletree is not impressing. I think he's going to swallowed up at the second level and I think he's going to have trouble shedding blockers. I think he's better suited outside honestly... at the same time, he doesn't look like the type fits what we need for a passing rushing LB.

His teammate Cornelius Washington looks like a freak. Wow. Give Washington Ogletree's senior production and you're talking about a first round pick easily.

jeanpierre 02-25-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 481917)
Watching this LB drills, I have to say Ogletree is not impressing. I think he's going to swallowed up at the second level and I think he's going to have trouble shedding blockers. I think he's better suited outside honestly... at the same time, he doesn't look like the type fits what we need for a passing rushing LB.

His teammate Cornelius Washington looks like a freak. Wow. Give Washington Ogletree's senior production and you're talking about a first round pick easily.

Ogletree can play inside or outside at linebacker...

Crusader 02-26-2013 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 481917)
Watching this LB drills, I have to say Ogletree is not impressing. I think he's going to swallowed up at the second level and I think he's going to have trouble shedding blockers. I think he's better suited outside honestly... at the same time, he doesn't look like the type fits what we need for a passing rushing LB.

His teammate Cornelius Washington looks like a freak. Wow. Give Washington Ogletree's senior production and you're talking about a first round pick easily.

So if he is a freak the question becomes why didn't he produce like one?

FinSaint 02-26-2013 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 482087)
So if he is a freak the question becomes why didn't he produce like one?


Well, there's this conspiracy theory floating around - in my head - according to which Ogletree is trying to tank his draft worth, so that the Saints can pick him up with their 3rd round pick.

hagan714 02-26-2013 07:48 AM

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Cornelius Washington - third-down specialist in college

Drive and heart to play is the big "?" on him. take a flier on him and see if you can jump start his desire would be the thing. the upside is there without a doubt. personal interviews are going to be key for him i would think

the kid blew every one away at the senior bowl too.

on last question could Georgia's coaching staff be to blame here? there are a lot ways to put a player in the dog house.

Or was it do to playing a variety of roles in Georgia's 3-4 defense

see what i mean ???????????????????? they need to be answered

papz 02-26-2013 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 482087)
So if he is a freak the question becomes why didn't he produce like one?

I can't even try to answer that question. Athletically speaking, this kid should have dominated college football. For whatever reason, he didn't. His tools will make you drool... should be an interesting project for someone.

jeanpierre 02-26-2013 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 482087)
So if he is a freak the question becomes why didn't he produce like one?

He actually did, when he was suspended from the team this year...

He just needs some Big Daddy Saints to tighten him up and get hims straight, that's all...

jeanpierre 02-27-2013 08:18 AM

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2013 Saint's Draft Mock (JeanPierre)

R1 LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia

R3 OT Terron Armstead, Arkansas Pine-Bluff

R4 DE Devin Taylor, South Carolina

R5 NT T.J. Barnes, Georgia Tech

6R LB Ty Powell, Harding

Really Would like to see a Safety to replace Harper and with Malcolm Jenkin's upcoming salary hit...

SmashMouth 02-27-2013 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 482311)
2013 Saint's Draft Mock (JeanPierre)

R1 LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia

R3 OT Terron Armstead, Arkansas Pine-Bluff

R4 DE Devin Taylor, South Carolina

R5 NT T.J. Barnes, Georgia Tech

6R LB Ty Powell, Harding

Really Would like to see a Safety to replace Harper and with Malcolm Jenkin's upcoming salary hit...

Reid from LSU?

RaginCajun83 02-27-2013 09:03 AM

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Smash, I agree on Reid but he'll be gone way before the Saints 3rd round pick. Curse you damn dirty Roger, curse you

FinSaint 02-27-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 482311)
Really Would like to see a Safety to replace Harper and with Malcolm Jenkin's upcoming salary hit...


What are you referring to?

Jenkins' re-signing?

:confused:

jeanpierre 02-27-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 482343)
What are you referring to?

Jenkins' re-signing?

:confused:

mea culpa...

First, Jenkins will have an 11mil cap hit next season...

Second, I know this will fire the Harper/Crimson Camp up, but Harper blows...and so does Harper's coverage and tackling - he's like a Corvette that runs outta gas trying to beat a Pacer in the quarter mile but, oh, he can win the light duty class in a tractor pull...

The sacks are fine but I would rather my DB be best at Passes Defensed, Interceptions, and Forced Fumble Jarring Hits...and be paid commensurate to what he brings the team...Harper at the least should be a salary dump...

...So that's why I say we need to add Safety Prospects soon...


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