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Danno 01-09-2014 06:45 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Ya'll are all wrong.

jeanpierre 01-09-2014 07:23 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571049)
Ya'll are all wrong.

Please, explain. Or post some selections...

Danno 01-09-2014 07:47 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 571062)
Please, explain. Or post some selections...

You're throwing darts at an enormous dart board, one which will change drastically after a few key free agent signings.

Its premature draft masturbation and a huge NFL scout wannabe circle jerk.

jcp026 01-09-2014 07:55 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 570965)
1st Round- not set on any one yet but right now pipe dram is
Cyril Richardson, G/OT, Baylor

2nd Round- Morgan Moses, ROT/OG Virginia 6056 325 5.28
3rd Round- Keith McGill CB/S Utah 6021 205 4.38/4.49
4th Round- Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB/WR/S Nebraska 6022 220 4.46/4.56
5th Round- Shamar Stephen DT/DE Conneticut 6045 313 5.14
6th Round- Zach Kerr, DT, Delaware 6012 322 5.12

still waiting on
Ty Montgomery WR Stanford 6015 215 4.52/4.42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571069)
You're throwing darts at an enormous dart board, one which will change drastically after a few key free agent signings.

Its premature draft masturbation and a huge NFL scout wannabe circle jerk.

Masturbation is fun.

Danno 01-09-2014 07:58 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcp026 (Post 571073)
Masturbation is fun.

Yet not as fun as the real thing.

Schmohams 01-09-2014 08:00 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Glad to see us staying on topic.

Danno 01-09-2014 08:02 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmohams (Post 571075)
Glad to see us staying on topic.

The topic is premature. Its like speculating on who will replace Drew in 2018.

Utah_Saint 01-09-2014 08:06 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571069)
You're throwing darts at an enormous dart board, one which will change drastically after a few key free agent signings.

Its premature draft masturbation and a huge NFL scout wannabe circle jerk.

I could see how it could be fun though, you make projections based on what teams need vs. the players available, you try to match player skill sets with the teams play style....

And then the inevitable happens, good players do poorly at the combines and bad players to well so you have to compensate, moving players up and down draft boards...

Some players will amaze us with their Wonderlic scores. Others will amaze us that they can even tie their own shoes after their Wonderlic scores, and again, draft boards will have to be adjusted...

Some players will show in their interviews that they are proven leaders with admirable work ethics and diligent study habits, while others will be arrested for drug possession and DUIs and again, draft boards will have to be adjusted....

And after all that hard work and study, the actual draft will happen and we'll all see the all the predictions and prognostications were just wild *** guesses.

:)

But I do respect you guys like, JeanPierre, Hagen and others that study it and keep the rest of us informed on the possibilities. Thanks for that.

exile 01-09-2014 08:17 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571077)
The topic is premature. Its like speculating on who will replace Drew in 2018.


No polls. No draft talk. Anything else?

lee909 01-10-2014 01:15 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
This thread is on sticky ground.
Masturbation and talks of premature study.

You are all sick, im off to start my cheat sheets for fantasy football.

alleycat_126 01-10-2014 02:40 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 

We use the blueprint from last season and take the same approach... CB in Free Agency... Safety first round of the draft here's my guy.....

jeanpierre 01-10-2014 04:24 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571049)
Ya'll are all wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571069)
You're throwing darts at an enormous dart board, one which will change drastically after a few key free agent signings.

Its premature draft masturbation and a huge NFL scout wannabe circle jerk.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcp026 (Post 571073)
Masturbation is fun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571074)
Yet not as fun as the real thing.

From the tone of your posts, you probably have plenty of experience to be an expert in that...

The fun some of us have in discussing prospects is to watch the tone and trend of the thread change through the process and even to revisit some years later...

You really shouldn't take out your frustration, whether caused by Bama's total collapse this season or some other personal issues your faced, on those of us who enjoy year round draft talk; if you don't like the discussion, fine, don't participate nor troll with unnecessary vitriol...

Judging by the way you tend to go after people online here, I'd say you should take a break here and think about what you want to accomplish here...

Maybe you should take your act over to the Seattle Websites and other adversaries of the Saints and continue your trolling there...

Try to have a better day and a better time among Saints fans...

Showtime5 01-10-2014 04:31 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
These were my picks on fanspeak.com, what you guys think ?

YOUR PICKS
27
OLB RYAN SHAZIER
OHIO STATE
58
WR JARVIS LANDRY
LSU
91
OT MORGAN MOSES
VIRGINIA
122
ILB LAMIN BARROW
LSU
155
RB DE’ANTHONY THOMAS
OREGON
186
S SEAN PARKER
WASHINGTON

jeanpierre 01-10-2014 04:51 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Showtime5 (Post 571150)
These were my picks on fanspeak.com, what you guys think ?

YOUR PICKS
27
OLB RYAN SHAZIER
OHIO STATE
58
WR JARVIS LANDRY
LSU
91
OT MORGAN MOSES
VIRGINIA
122
ILB LAMIN BARROW
LSU
155
RB DE’ANTHONY THOMAS
OREGON
186
S SEAN PARKER
WASHINGTON

Heavy homer on the LSU Picks?!? ;)

I'm not a fan of the OSU alum in the NFL...

Thomas could be a potential replacement is Sproles, now at 30yrs age, is not able to recoup his speed from the earlier injury this season...

Danno 01-10-2014 08:29 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 571149)
From the tone of your posts, you probably have plenty of experience to be an expert in that...

The fun some of us have in discussing prospects is to watch the tone and trend of the thread change through the process and even to revisit some years later...

You really shouldn't take out your frustration, whether caused by Bama's total collapse this season or some other personal issues your faced, on those of us who enjoy year round draft talk; if you don't like the discussion, fine, don't participate nor troll with unnecessary vitriol...

Judging by the way you tend to go after people online here, I'd say you should take a break here and think about what you want to accomplish here...

Maybe you should take your act over to the Seattle Websites and other adversaries of the Saints and continue your trolling there...

Try to have a better day and a better time among Saints fans...

Why do you bold all of your posts? Ego much? You do realize no one else does that, anywhere?

You aren't a mod so get over yourself. If you can't take someone disagreeing with your December draft mock fantasy thread perhaps football forums aren't really your cup of tea.

TheOak 01-10-2014 09:16 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Playing mediator..

Danno - Some people enjoy poles, power rankings, some love endless draft or playoff scenarios, some people do not care for masturbation... its a mixed bag here and no one forces anyone to go into any threads and read them.

JP - While the bold is annoying, your posts are coherent and tend to lack the negative despair that a good many do.

You both have valid points and some whiny one also :)

One thing I did think of yesterday when I was running through this thread is while the thread has plenty of content for present and future use. As soon as free agency starts the Poll will be obsolete unless there is an option to change the voting. If we pick up a Center in FA that will change the dynamic of our draft.

http://hurleymediation.files.wordpre...ple-100810.jpg

Danno 01-10-2014 09:18 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 571192)
Playing mediator..

Danno - Some people enjoy poles, power rankings, some love endless draft or playoff scenarios, some people do not care for masturbation... its a mixed bag here and no one forces anyone to go into any threads and read them.

JP - While the bold is annoying, your posts are coherent and tend to lack the negative despair that a good many do.

You both have valid points and some whiny one also :)

One thing I did think of yesterday when I was running through this thread is while the thread has plenty of content for present and future use. As soon as free agency starts the Poll will be obsolete unless there is an option to change the voting. If we pick up a Center in FA that will change the dynamic of our draft.

http://hurleymediation.files.wordpre...ple-100810.jpg

I'm not the purple one.:p

hagan714 01-10-2014 11:10 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 571077)
The topic is premature. Its like speculating on who will replace Drew in 2018.

premature? i am the purple guy! i have been holding out for months. :(

i love the college season leading up to the draft. :itsgood:

i have already starting looking at players to watch for 2015 .:rolleyes:

should i start now? :p

QB to replace Drew in 2018? i think a pet project from Tulane is already on the roster :bng:

hagan714 01-10-2014 11:14 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
back up gang if this thread upsets you do not venture in the thread.

we do not go after members with personal insult.

if there are issues then call them out in the smash section or PM them.

so back on topic

rezburna 01-10-2014 11:16 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry. Take them both.

exile 01-10-2014 11:21 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Late round steal? Larry Webster, DE, Bloomsburg.

Larry Webster, DE, Bloomsburg - Football.com | Small School Prospects On The Rise

http://assets.football.com/en-us/82f...c7b40-img1.jpg

hagan714 01-10-2014 11:24 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 571219)
Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry. Take them both.

Odell Beckham - has SP type of player written all over him. my gut says he odds on favorite

Jarvis Landry - i stand buy what i said. he is the best well rounded WR coming out of college. I see a lot of Anquan Boldin in his game.

hagan714 01-10-2014 11:27 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by exile (Post 571221)

i know he is a project and need to bulk up for a 34 big time. OLB? who knows.

temptation is there

Showtime5 01-10-2014 12:28 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Haha yes I am kind of a Homer but for some reason I really like the athleticism and quick instincts I see in Ryan Shazier. He is a big hitter too. He can really improve our defense

jeanpierre 01-10-2014 12:54 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by exile (Post 571221)

Reminds me of the pick Miami's pick last year, Deon Jordan...

halloween 65 01-10-2014 01:24 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 571192)
Playing mediator..

Danno - Some people enjoy poles, power rankings, some love endless draft or playoff scenarios, some people do not care for masturbation... its a mixed bag here and no one forces anyone to go into any threads and read them.

JP - While the bold is annoying, your posts are coherent and tend to lack the negative despair that a good many do.

You both have valid points and some whiny one also :)

One thing I did think of yesterday when I was running through this thread is while the thread has plenty of content for present and future use. As soon as free agency starts the Poll will be obsolete unless there is an option to change the voting. If we pick up a Center in FA that will change the dynamic of our draft.

http://hurleymediation.files.wordpre...ple-100810.jpg

Mediator or matador, it's a fine line with those 2 sometimes. Good luck!!

jeanpierre 01-10-2014 07:44 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
The sucky part about being a good team is not being able to grab a top ten pick every once in a while...

LB Khalil Mack looks to be a BEAST...

But I'd rather reload than do a Ditka in the draft...

Usually don't like the risk/gamble of a cornerback in the first round, but really like how CB Justin Gilbert, OK St, could add/complement our squad...

jeanpierre 01-10-2014 07:46 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Rams want out of No. 2...

Would it be worth the move up to grab OT Jake Matthews?!?

ChrisXVI 01-10-2014 08:21 PM

2014 NFL Draft
 
Hagan and jeanpierre, I want your opinions on something. Of course we don't know what will happen in free agency, but if Vic Beasley and Kyle Van Noy are both available when we pick and we still have a need at OLB... Which one would y'all rather we draft? I've read countless mock drafts and those two seem to be the most common picks for us. I'm leaning towards Van Noy because of his abilities in coverage and he can play ILB if needed.

halloween 65 01-10-2014 08:36 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 571434)
The sucky part about being a good team is not being able to grab a top ten pick every once in a while...

LB Khalil Mack looks to be a BEAST...

But I'd rather reload than do a Ditka in the draft...

Usually don't like the risk/gamble of a cornerback in the first round, but really like how CB Justin Gilbert, OK St, could add/complement our squad...

Gilbert looks pretty darn good, I liked his work. I didn't look at Mack but I will. And I would not give our picks to get the O-lineman, but if somehow someway he falls I'd take him in a heartbeat!! I hope we trade down for more picks to be honest.

jcp026 01-10-2014 10:57 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by exile (Post 571221)

This is probably going to be one of those guys who flies up the draft board. We'll probably have to get him in the third at the latest.

DrewDat 01-11-2014 12:34 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
def need safety and Lb's

jeanpierre 01-11-2014 01:44 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 571446)
Hagan and jeanpierre, I want your opinions on something. Of course we don't know what will happen in free agency, but if Vic Beasley and Kyle Van Noy are both available when we pick and we still have a need at OLB... Which one would y'all rather we draft? I've read countless mock drafts and those two seem to be the most common picks for us. I'm leaning towards Van Noy because of his abilities in coverage and he can play ILB if needed.

Beasley from what I see will be gone by pick #17 unless he messes his pants at the combine or at one of the invite games where there's a concentration of talent...

He's the same guy we have in Junior Galette from what I've seen with maybe a slightly higher ceiling; he doesn't warrant a selection by the Saints...

Van Noy is one of those guys who's got the film but GM's may be afraid to pull the trigger in the first or upper second round because he doesn't have those combine measurables to reinforce, explain the argument for selection...

I've always preferred Sammy Knights vs Reynaldo Turnbulls; just gotta see where a prospect can apply his gifts to the game to give him an edge; rather have a guy that makes plays with his smarts and pushing his talents every week to the extreme than wasted "potential"...

If he's there in the third round, I'd strongly consider Van Noy; but where we'll be picking in the third - he should be gone and really like a couple of safeties grading in the second round to transition from the Harper/Jenkins experiment that has failed miserably and to complement Kenny Vaccaro and Rafael Bush so that we shore up the backstop...

For me, those big gashing plays are still fresh in my mind...

hagan714 01-11-2014 07:06 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 571435)
Rams want out of No. 2...

Would it be worth the move up to grab OT Jake Matthews?!?

IMO i sat no. i look at washington trading into 1 if an OL is there. we are not so bad that moving back a few spots and picking up a pick or two would hurt the team.

besides after todays game i think we have LOT.

hagan714 01-11-2014 07:15 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 571446)
Hagan and jeanpierre, I want your opinions on something. Of course we don't know what will happen in free agency, but if Vic Beasley and Kyle Van Noy are both available when we pick and we still have a need at OLB... Which one would y'all rather we draft? I've read countless mock drafts and those two seem to be the most common picks for us. I'm leaning towards Van Noy because of his abilities in coverage and he can play ILB if needed.

Beasly i am not so high on. against some of the top OT in the draft he has played against he has had little impact. i look at lB as players that need to hold there own all game long and not just a few plays ina game. I will give him this: he seems to have that knack for big plays when a game is on the line.

that bring us to Van. i like him a bit better as a steady player. he is hard to judge because like Beasley when he played top competition he kinda disappeared.

if i had to pick from only these two i would cross my fingers and go with Von. reason versatility and pass coverage skills.

there are others i would look at in round one.

FS jumps out at me along with OLB. we need to get bigger and fast.

DISPLACEDFAN 01-11-2014 07:18 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
secondary help that can catch and turn and look for a ball thrown their way

Schmohams 01-11-2014 07:36 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
We are all here talking about drafting defensive players when really it's our offense that needs help.

hagan714 01-11-2014 07:37 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN (Post 572416)
secondary help that can catch and turn and look for a ball thrown their way


lamo you saw what i saw today. white definitely need to work on reading the wr and reacting. i really like White in the slot and i think that is where he belongs. remember injury is the only reason he is outside. there are some good CB in the draft but tackling is often over looked. look at day 2 and three for so,e really nice CB to draft and develop and have shown great promise with improvement of there over all game this year.

DISPLACEDFAN 01-11-2014 07:48 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 572458)
lamo you saw what i saw today. white definitely need to work on reading the wr and reacting. i really like White in the slot and i think that is where he belongs. remember injury is the only reason he is outside. there are some good CB in the draft but tackling is often over looked. look at day 2 and three for so,e really nice CB to draft and develop and have shown great promise with improvement of there over all game this year.

I've seen it all year by everyone except Lewis. Far too many times our corners are in catch up mode. People say I'm a pessimistic fan but I see what I see. I don't care for White at all except for depth

Id also love to see some offensive line upgrades and some Lb upgrades but secondary is my biggest need IMHO

hagan714 01-11-2014 07:58 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmohams (Post 572457)
We are all here talking about drafting defensive players when really it's our offense that needs help.


Originally Posted by hagan714 http://blackandgold.com/bngforum/buttons/viewpost.gif
1st Round- not set on any one yet but right now pipe dram is
Cyril Richardson, G/OT, Baylor

2nd Round- Morgan Moses, ROT/OG Virginia 6056 325 5.28
3rd Round- Keith McGill CB/S Utah 6021 205 4.38/4.49
4th Round- Stanley Jean-Baptiste CB/WR/S Nebraska 6022 220 4.46/4.56
5th Round- Shamar Stephen DT/DE Conneticut 6045 313 5.14
6th Round- Zach Kerr, DT, Delaware 6012 322 5.12

still waiting on
Ty Montgomery WR Stanford 6015 215 4.52/4.42
I can round 1 going to Odell Beckham Jr. WRhe has SP falsh and dash written all over him. lol

I would love to see Cyril Richardson selected by the saints. a well rounded OG that has speed/quickness to play some ROT. 355 pound men are not suppose to be that quick.

The next pick Morgan Moses, also address the Ol and it's present day depth as well as looking to the future for new starters. i now i am beating my drum for this kid but to get a RT that has the ability to play LT if needed is a glaring need. That was Streifs job before he became a starter and the saints have not found a player to take that role. I really think he will stand out at the combine. ROT that can has the quickness of a OG when pulling? not bad. i rate him as one of the better gambles in the draft.

Both player come from teams that require blocking at the second level, pulling and screen blocking. Both are probably among the best at playing on the move. run blocking is not an issue and both are solid pass blockers also. with them the saints would get immediate upgrade for team speed and athleticism on the OL.

with both picks you might have the future replacement to go with Armstead.

WR is an issue plus a blocking TE would help. god knows Graham is one of the worse blocking TE in the NFL.


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