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K Major 02-10-2014 08:58 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
I need to pull some YouTube video on Mr. Pryor... didn't see a lot of Louisville this past season.

jeanpierre 02-11-2014 12:37 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 

jeanpierre 02-11-2014 12:42 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Saints Mock Draft

R1 (27) Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU, Height: 6-3. Weight: 244

R2 (58) Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford, Height: 6-2. Weight: 206

R3 (91) Ja'Waun James, OT, Tennessee, Height: 6-6. Weight: 315

R4 (122) James White, RB, Wisconsin, Height: 5-9. Weight: 206

R5 (155) Marcus Martin, C, USC, Height: 6-3. Weight: 310

R6 (186) Caleb Lavey, ILB, Oklahoma State, Height: 6-3. Weight: 240

saintsfan1976 02-11-2014 07:51 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
I'm not as well-informed as you guys but I know a few things:

1. Must get younger/more athletic at LB and Safety

2. Must find a starter at CB likely through Free Agency

And I have a few questions:

Can Charles Brown play RT well enough?

Will we finally spend money on a FA lineman?

Would you make a play for Fitzgerald?

jeanpierre 02-11-2014 11:43 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 577771)
I'm not as well-informed as you guys but I know a few things:
BS - you've better insight than most...

Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 577771)
1. Must get younger/more athletic at LB and Safety
Can I get an Amen!

Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 577771)
2. Must find a starter at CB likely through Free Agency
We'd have to release Greer and convince a young CB to take slightly less to play for the Saints...

Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 577771)
And I have a few questions:

Can Charles Brown play RT well enough?
Moot, he's a FA; can't see Payton asking FO to pay this USC Slacker to come back...

Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 577771)
Will we finally spend money on a FA lineman?
On offense? Center Alex Mack is the man; and with Evans & Grubbs - Wow, Forget About It!!!

On Defense? End Tyson Jackson, allows a Very Potent Rotation of Hicks, Jenkins at the Nose Tackle, making Bunkley's Contract Expendable...

also gives some flex with 2015 Cam Jordan contract if Cap doesn't escalate as predicted next season...

Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 577771)
Would you make a play for Fitzgerald?
Larry Fitzgerald just offered to redo his contract; he's buying into Bruce Arians; and with some Oline FA help, keeping Palmer unharried, Cards can be a force; can't see Fitzgerald in Black and Gold...

hagan714 02-12-2014 09:01 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 577798)

On offense? Center Alex Mack is the man with Evans & Grubbs - Wow!!!

Stop it all ready that is dream come true. i need to get the thought out of my head. it is killing me . what if lol

hagan714 02-12-2014 09:03 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 577771)
I'm not as well-informed as you guys but I know a few things:
.

saintfan you have made more than once sit back and rethink the saints. do not sell yourself short.

jeanpierre 02-12-2014 10:38 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 577821)
Stop it all ready that is dream come true. i need to get the thought out of my head. it is killing me . what if lol
Hagan...time to slide that Blu-Ray Willy Wonka and the Charlie Factory Disc in and get some hope (Not the Demented Devo Version)...

SaintLeonard 02-15-2014 11:35 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
What do you guys think of WR Devin Street? I personally really like him. Tall, smooth route-runner, soft hands (he'll catch anything thrown his way)..

I think he shares a lot of the same traits Colston has, and I'd be ecstatic if we drafted him, and groomed him to be Colston's replacement.

jeanpierre 02-15-2014 11:54 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Saints Mock Draft (Likely Options per Round)

Round 1 (27) Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU, Height; 6’ 3”; Weight: 244lbs.
Round 1 (27) Justin Gilbert, CB , Oklahoma State; Height: 6' 0"; Weight: 200lbs.
Round 1 (27) Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight 208lbs.
Round 1 (27) Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight 325lbs.
Round 1 (27) Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight 235lbs.

Round 2 (58) Jimmie Ward, S, Northern Illinois; Height: 5' 11"; Weight: 195lbs.
Round 2 (58) Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 252lbs.
Round 2 (58) Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight: 327lbs.
Round 2 (58) Gabe Jackson, OL, Mississippi St; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 339lbs.
Round 2 (58) Telvin Smith, OLB, Florida St; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 218lbs.

Round 3 (91) Ja'Waun James, OT, Tennessee; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight: 315lbs.
Round 3 (91) Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood; Height: 6’ 1”; Weight: 195lbs.
Round 3 (91) Marcus Martin, C, USC; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 310lbs.
Round 3 (91) Dakota Dozier, G, Furman; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 312lbs.
Round 3 (91) Shayne Skov, LB, Stanford; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 245lbs.

Round 4 (122) Brandon Thomas, G, Clemson; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 316lbs.
Round 4 (122) Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers; Height: 6’ 5”; Weight: 220lbs.
Round 4 (122) James White, RB, Wisconsin; Height: 5’ 09”; Weight: 206lbs.
Round 4 (122) Ross Cockrell, CB, Duke; Height: 6’ 0”; Weight: 185lbs.
Round 4 (122) Brent Urban, DE, Virginia; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight: 298lbs.

Round 5 (155) Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight: 287lbs.
Round 5 (155) Russell Bodine, OL, North Carolina; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 310lbs.
Round 5 (155) Howard Jones, OLB, Shepherd; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 229lbs.
Round 5 (155) Jeff Janis, WR, Saginaw Valley; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 212lbs.
Round 5 (155) Ronald Powell, OLB, Florida: Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 240lbs.

Round 6 (186) Kapri Bibbs, RB, Colorado State; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 200lbs.
Round 6 (186) Zack Kerr, NT, Delaware; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 334lbs.
Round 6 (186) Kadeem Edwards, OL, Tennessee St; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 310lbs.
Round 6 (186) Dontae Johnson, DB, NC State; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 199lbs.
Round 6 (186) Caleb Lavey, ILB, Oklahoma State; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 240lbs.

lee909 02-15-2014 12:02 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
I wouldnt be surprise to see WR Ryan Grant get drafted in the 6th if he is there.I read the coaches talked to him alot at the senior bowl

jeanpierre 02-15-2014 09:49 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 578265)
What do you guys think of WR Devin Street? I personally really like him. Tall, smooth route-runner, soft hands (he'll catch anything thrown his way)..

I think he shares a lot of the same traits Colston has, and I'd be ecstatic if we drafted him, and groomed him to be Colston's replacement.
Productive Career at Pitt ranking among pretty impressive company at the school for his career (i.e. L. Fitzgerald, A. Bryant, J. Baldwin)...

Too small a frame for a 6-2 receiver though; lack of physicality is a big concern; prone to injury, injured shoulder just this past October - I'd pass as Payton prefers big, physical receivers...

ChrisXVI 02-15-2014 10:00 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Kyle Van Noy has really been sticking out for me. His versatility screams Rob Ryan just like Vaccaro. Line him up virtually anywhere as he can rush the passer and drop into coverage. His coverage skills would make him the perfect strong side OLB in a base 3-4. The perfect complement to Junior.

halloween 65 02-16-2014 05:49 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 578311)
Kyle Van Noy has really been sticking out for me. His versatility screams Rob Ryan just like Vaccaro. Line him up virtually anywhere as he can rush the passer and drop into coverage. His coverage skills would make him the perfect strong side OLB in a base 3-4. The perfect complement to Junior.
Van Noy is good!! My mock is different but if we got him it wouldn"t hurt my feelings. Good player!!

hagan714 02-16-2014 07:04 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
day 2 / day 3 / FA to watch out for

Tyler Starr, OLB/DE, South Dakota 6042 249 4.82

he might destroy the 3 cone record at the combine for LB. Starr was reportable to have been recently clocked at 6.29. that is WR and CB numbers. i know the pats love the three cone drill as a guide to picking prospects.

Dontae Johnson; Cornerback/FS, North Carolina State 6020 195 4.58
solid in coverage and run support

Jordan Tripp, LB, Montana 6026 237 4.56

a player getting some good press. could get drafted higher than most think, 4.56 speed for an OLB will always get noticed.

John Brown, WR/KR 5-10 175 Pittsburg State

Sub 4.4 speed? in the later rounds or as a FA? Has a combine invite so we will see him at the beauty show. solid WR and return man at the small school level. might be a good addition to the KR team and depth as a nickle and dime guy against those jitter bug WR in the nfl.

Blake Bell 6051, 252 Oklahoma QB moved to tight end ?

now this is interesting. a TE that fills the depth chart as your #3 QB? just a curiosity in my book.

Brandon Dixon NW Missouri St CB/FS 5112 204 4.35 -

speed and cover skill enough to make a PS.

hagan714 02-16-2014 07:19 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Kyle Van Noy i love the cover skill and that uncanny knack to be in the right place at the right time. i wonder if he can make the move to ILB at the NFL level

jeanpierre 02-16-2014 03:14 PM
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This is a super deep sleeper to watch for who received a Combine Invite:

Howard Jones, Outside Linebacker, Shepherd University (WV)
Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 229lbs.; Arm Length: 33-3/8"
40 yd dash times - Low: 4.44"; Avg: 4.54"; High: 4.65"
Source: NFL Draft Scout

Local news source reports him as 6' 4", 238lbs...

Source: Shepherd

So it'll be interesting to see what he measures and shows at the Combine...

He looks to be one of the fastest OLB prospects this year...

jeanpierre 02-16-2014 03:26 PM
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Dee Ford Senior Bowl

ChrisXVI 02-16-2014 05:09 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Hagan and jeanpierre, the draft is my favorite time of the year (outside of the football season of course)... So much so that it's like a holiday to me. I just want to tell y'all how much I love your contributions and the great work you both do scouting these players every year. I really enjoy the insight and all of the information. Keep it up fellas!

hagan714 02-16-2014 06:13 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 578377)
Hagan and jeanpierre, the draft is my favorite time of the year (outside of the football season of course)... So much so that it's like a holiday to me. I just want to tell y'all how much I love your contributions and the great work you both do scouting these players every year. I really enjoy the insight and all of the information. Keep it up fellas!
i am with ya. i love the draft so much it starts for me when college football kicks off. one or two girl friends have walked out over it. they were sweet but oh well. lol

hagan714 02-16-2014 06:16 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 578370)
This is a super deep sleeper to watch for who received a Combine Invite:

Howard Jones, Outside Linebacker, Shepherd University (WV)
Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 229lbs.; Arm Length: 33-3/8"
40 yd dash times - Low: 4.44"; Avg: 4.54"; High: 4.65"
Source: NFL Draft Scout

Local news source reports him as 6' 4", 238lbs...

Source: Shepherd

So it'll be interesting to see what he measures and shows at the Combine...

have to keep an eye out for the tape on the kid.

jeanpierre 02-16-2014 07:01 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 578377)
Hagan and jeanpierre, the draft is my favorite time of the year (outside of the football season of course)... So much so that it's like a holiday to me. I just want to tell y'all how much I love your contributions and the great work you both do scouting these players every year. I really enjoy the insight and all of the information. Keep it up fellas!
Love draft time - it's great conversing with Saints fans on players; sometimes you get a different take on a player that didn't occur before - so it's all good...:bng:

Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 578382)
i am with ya. i love the draft so much it starts for me when college football kicks off. one or two girl friends have walked out over it. they were sweet but oh well. lol
If one of those friends on your FB Friend list is a former, we need to do a sign and trade my friend...;-)

amazin15 02-16-2014 09:19 PM
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NFL Draft 2014: Saints Should Take Jarvis Landry in Second Round NFL Draft 2014: Saints Should Take Jarvis Landry in Second Round - Canal Street Chronicles

Do we take him and let Moore go? Or do we just give Drew another weapon and make it up financially somewhere else? Toon hasn't impressed me any and Morgan will probably be resigned but Landry would give Drew a nice slot option will good hands. He doesn't drop many passes and he doesn't run from contact, just what we need.

Marlboro Man 02-16-2014 09:30 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
CB, C, OLB, FS, ILB, WR

hagan714 02-17-2014 01:00 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by amazin15 (Post 578404)
NFL Draft 2014: Saints Should Take Jarvis Landry in Second Round NFL Draft 2014: Saints Should Take Jarvis Landry in Second Round - Canal Street Chronicles

Do we take him and let Moore go? Or do we just give Drew another weapon and make it up financially somewhere else? Toon hasn't impressed me any and Morgan will probably be resigned but Landry would give Drew a nice slot option will good hands. He doesn't drop many passes and he doesn't run from contact, just what we need.

i would love to see Jarvis in B&G. solid all round wr that maybe the most pro ready WR in the draft. whats not to like.

let moore go? drew has his quirks and moore is one of them. writing is on the wall with all the wr but moore would be a tough call.

hagan714 02-17-2014 03:12 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
trade back and stay in the top of round 2 and get a 3 rd i would be giddy.

keep adding a few along the way and kick in in a player or two to free up more cap space to boot.

i really think the saints can have a couple starter caliber players by mid season and seriously inject talent and youth across the board in this draft.

lets not forget it would do wonders for the cap.

we are solid enough as a team to pull this off and improve the team from day 1 of the 2014 season

K Major 02-17-2014 08:50 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by amazin15 (Post 578404)
NFL Draft 2014: Saints Should Take Jarvis Landry in Second Round NFL Draft 2014: Saints Should Take Jarvis Landry in Second Round - Canal Street Chronicles

Do we take him and let Moore go? Or do we just give Drew another weapon and make it up financially somewhere else? Toon hasn't impressed me any and Morgan will probably be resigned but Landry would give Drew a nice slot option will good hands. He doesn't drop many passes and he doesn't run from contact, just what we need.
Landry is a younger version of Moore ... great hands, better speed, solid route running and will go across the middle to make the tough catch.

Not so sure he is in our sights, but he will be a solid contributor wherever he lands.

SaintLeonard 02-17-2014 09:11 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 578309)
Productive Career at Pitt ranking among pretty impressive company at the school for his career (i.e. L. Fitzgerald, A. Bryant, J. Baldwin)...

Too small a frame for a 6-2 receiver though; lack of physicality is a big concern; prone to injury, injured shoulder just this past October - I'd pass as Payton prefers big, physical receivers...
I think the lack of physicality has to do with his small frame. But if not, that is coachable. I do believe his frame is good enough to add weight without losing speed and athleticism though.

Is that his first injury, or does he have a history of them? If it's only his first one that doesn't scare me off much.

exile 02-18-2014 01:16 PM
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saintsfan1976 02-18-2014 05:09 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Speedy linebacker please.

Jack Vegas 02-19-2014 01:07 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Yeah, I keep seeing about how deep the first round of this draft is. Considering our position we should maybe either trade up to get one of the big impact players at the top, or trade down and collect 2nd/3rd round value picks.

Unless one of the top 3 corners or an impact pass rusher is available where we pick, I don't see anybody that would really be worth it.

jeanpierre 02-19-2014 05:11 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Saints Mock Draft

R1 (27) Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU; Height: 6-3, Weight: 244 lbs.

R2 (58) Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford; Height: 6-2, Weight: 206 lbs.

R3 (91) Marcus Martin, C, USC; Height: 6-3, Weight: 310 lbs.

R4 (122) James White, RB, Wisconsin; Height: 5-9. Weight: 206 lbs.

R5 (155) Josh Mauro, DE, Stanford; Height: 6-6, Weight: 276 lbs.

R6 (186) Howard Jones, OLB, Shepherd Univ; Height: 6-2, Weight:229 lbs.

UDFA Targets

Josh Walker, OT, Middle Tennessee; Height: 6-5, Weight: 323 lbs.
Rob Crisp, OT, NC State; Height: 6-7, Weight: 305 lbs.
Jeremiah Sirles, OT, Nebraska; Height: 6-7, Weight: 315 lbs.
Perry Simmons, OT, Duke; Height: 6-5, Weight: 300 lbs.
Donald Hawkins, OT, Texas; Height: 6-5, Weight: 301 lbs.

Seantavious Jones, WR, Valdosta State; Height: 6-3, Weight: 209 lbs.
Jaz Reynolds, WR, Oklahoma; Height: 6-2, Weight: 198 lbs.

Zach Kerr, NT, Delaware; Height: 6-2, Weight: 334 lbs.
Chris Davenport, NT, Tulane; Height: 6-3, Weight: 343 lbs.
Mike Pennel, NT, Colorado St-Pueblo; Height: 6-4, Weight: 363 lbs.

Caleb Lavey, ILB, Oklahoma State; Height: 6-3, Weight: 240 lbs.

Marquis Flowers, OLB, Arizona; Height: 6-2, Weight: 233 lbs.
Tyler Starr, OLB, South Dakota; Height: 6-4, Weight: 248 lbs.
Xavius Boyd, OLB, Western Kentucky; Height: 6-2, Weight: 236 lbs.

Daniel Sorensen, SS, BYU; Height: 6-2, Weight: 208 lbs.
DeRon Furr, SS, Fort Valley St; Height: 6-2, Weight: 215 lbs.

triman 02-19-2014 05:24 PM
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I read somewhere that there were 15 underclassmen WRs entering the draft. I think that we will draft wr in the later rds.

saintsfan1976 02-19-2014 06:10 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Ok JP, what the heck - I'll take a stab at a mock draft.

Rd 1 - Jarvis Landry WR LSU
Rd 2 - Ryan Shazier OLB Ohio State
Rd 3 - Tre Mason RB Auburn
Rd 4 - Kevin Norwood WR Alabama
Rd 5 - Brandon Thomas OT Clemson
Rd 6 - Craig Loston S LSU

jeanpierre 02-19-2014 08:22 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by triman (Post 578660)
I read somewhere that there were 15 underclassmen WRs entering the draft. I think that we will draft wr in the later rds.
Triman, you may be right...

One name to know is WR Brandon Coleman, Rutgers ;Height: 6-6, Weight: 220 lbs.

He's a bubble guy who can move up based on his Combine experience...

Another guy with some question marks is WR L'Damian Washington, Missouri; Height: 6-4, Weight: 205 lbs. who runs a sub 4.4 40, but has poor route discipline and catches the ball with his body too much...

Coach Payton doesn't mine sacrificing a little speed for bigger receivers who can muscle over smaller defensive backs...

Washington would require some extra coaching effort, but could really turn into a special talent...

And he'd be comparable to a Devery Henderson...

jeanpierre 02-19-2014 08:31 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 578664)
Ok JP, what the heck - I'll take a stab at a mock draft.

Rd 1 - Jarvis Landry WR LSU
Rd 2 - Ryan Shazier OLB Ohio State
Rd 3 - Tre Mason RB Auburn
Rd 4 - Kevin Norwood WR Alabama
Rd 5 - Brandon Thomas OT Clemson
Rd 6 - Craig Loston S LSU
I really like Brandon Thomas, though he's projecting as a Guard, he did play some Tackle at the Senior Bowl - he'll definitely geaux by the mid fourth round, with a strong combine and the right interviews, he could geaux in the third round; he got into some trouble early while in school, but looks to be just a nasty offensive lineman...

Pass on anything slow out of Ohio State; State and Bama showed us all what Ohio State is, second place bridesmaids, so I pass...

I expect Loston to slide, but that's brutal

We'll have either a Right Tackle or Center, maybe both, by the time we're done in the third round...

saintsfan1976 02-19-2014 09:32 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Who you calling slow?? lol Bet Shazier is the fastest LB at this year's combine!

jeanpierre 02-19-2014 09:46 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 578679)
Who you calling slow?? lol Bet Shazier is the fastest LB at this year's combine!
They really should make them run the 40 in a uniform (helmet, pads)...

Some guys aren't as fast with the pads on...

If you want to see a fast LB - look for Howard Jones out of Shepherd Univ (WV); I'm curious to see if he validates NFL Draft Scouts Posted 40 Time...

K Major 02-19-2014 10:19 PM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 578664)
Ok JP, what the heck - I'll take a stab at a mock draft.

Rd 6 - Craig Loston S LSU
I'm down on Loston ... just didn't seem to have an eye for the ball. At least this past season.

jeanpierre 02-20-2014 08:01 AM
Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
NFL Scouting Combine - NFL.com


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