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jeanpierre 01-26-2014 12:35 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Derek Carr, David Fales guide South to Senior Bowl win - ESPN

Wisconsin's James White could be a successor to Saints' Pierre Thomas...

jeanpierre 01-26-2014 11:02 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Mock Draft

R1 WR Kelvin Benjamin, 6-5/235

R2 LB Jeremiah Attaochu, Georgia Tech, 6-3/252

R3 LB Christian Jones, Florida St, 6-4/234

R4 G Brandon Thomas, Clemson, 6-4/316

R5 C Marcus Martin, USC, 6-3/310

R6 RB James White, Wisconsin, 5-9/205

R7 TRADED for Parys Haralson to 49ers for 2014 conditional seventh round pick

Notes:

hagan714 01-27-2014 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 575774)
Derek Carr, David Fales guide South to Senior Bowl win - ESPN

Wisconsin's James White could be a successor to Saints' Pierre Thomas...


yep

Charles Sims and James White are the only two backs i am looking in the draft.

solid running inside and out
excel as a pass catcher
excel in blitz pickup

do those three things and i pay attention. Drew must be protected

hagan714 01-27-2014 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 575862)
Mock Draft

R1 WR Kelvin Benjamin, 6-5/235



just say no my friend just say no :(

hagan714 01-27-2014 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 575550)
Online scouting services reports say this guy is taking it to another level; some guys are like that, they play to the level in front of 'em...

I thought he'd be there in round 3; but scouts are moving him up the boards based on his coming out party in Mobile this week...


I just saw Moses go #17th in a mock. i think it was BR.

oh baby here comes the hype

jeanpierre 01-27-2014 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 575871)
just say no my friend just say no :(


"IF" he's there, IF...

you could have a three wide receiver set of Colston, Benjamin, Stills...

Think about that...

...and that's before you throw in the Tight End or the RB coming out the backfield...

yes, the smart move is to get the Tackle; but assuming we don't trade or move up/down - that's the guy to take if he's there...

hagan714 01-27-2014 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 575873)
"IF" he's there, IF...

you could have a three wide receiver set of Colston, Benjamin, Stills...

Think about that...

...and that's before you throw in the Tight End or the RB coming out the backfield...

yes, the smart move is to get the Tackle; but assuming we don't trade or move up/down - that's the guy to take if he's there...


sorry in round one the last thing i want to read is so-so hands and sloppy route running

Mechuem teach us anything?

a pick on upside with down side so low to begin with? media darling also? red flags in my book

hagan714 01-27-2014 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 575870)
yep

Charles Sims and James White are the only two backs i am looking in the draft.

solid running inside and out
excel as a pass catcher
excel in blitz pickup

do those three things and i pay attention. Drew must be protected

ok here is a gamble for ya.

Ingram traded away for additional picks and saints draft both players with the idea PT will not be resigned when there contracts are up.

would you go this far? our would you go further?

halloween 65 01-27-2014 10:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 575873)
"IF" he's there, IF...

you could have a three wide receiver set of Colston, Benjamin, Stills...

Think about that...

...and that's before you throw in the Tight End or the RB coming out the backfield...

yes, the smart move is to get the Tackle; but assuming we don't trade or move up/down - that's the guy to take if he's there...

I would rather see us with Colston,Matthews, Stills and Morgan myself. Matthews is Colston 2.0 in his prime with great hands. Solid pick. I also like the guy from Saginaw Valley State. I'm not a Benjamin fan to riskey especially for a 1st. Matthews and the kid from Saginaw Valley should go in the 3rd or 4th.

jeanpierre 01-27-2014 11:58 PM

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Jordan Matthews?

Jeff Janis is from Saginaw Valley...

lee909 01-28-2014 12:48 AM

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I still like**Jared Abbredaris 6-2,188lb,4.41 speed. Walter football reports have him as possible the best route runner in the draft and that only patchy QB play held him back.
78 receptions for 1087 yards and 7tds on a run heavy team with a poor QB. Should be a 3/4th roundee

hagan714 01-29-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 576008)
I still like**Jared Abbredaris 6-2,188lb,4.41 speed. Walter football reports have him as possible the best route runner in the draft and that only patchy QB play held him back.
78 receptions for 1087 yards and 7tds on a run heavy team with a poor QB. Should be a 3/4th roundee


thats the key for this team. route running skills.

my short list on WR that fit the saints style.

Jarvis Landry WR LSU
Jared Abbredaris WR Wisconsin

After that there are a few others but those two i feel can walk in and push for playing time day one and make a few starters very nervous

hagan714 01-29-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 575998)
Jordan Matthews?

Jeff Janis is from Saginaw Valley...


interesting project playet but interviews will be key for him with the saints like any small school player with skill sets what is the football IQ like

ChrisXVI 01-29-2014 03:43 PM

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I really like Draft Tek and I think they're right on with us picking Dee Ford in the first round. Unless he does something to hurt his draft stock I'm completely on board with getting him if he's available. Here's what Draft Tek currently projects for our draft:

Rd. 1) Dee Ford- OLB (Auburn)

Rd. 2) Anthony Steen- G (Alabama)

Rd. 3) Kareem Martin- DE (N. Carolina)

Rd. 4) Bryan Stork- C (Florida St.)

Rd. 5) Justin Ellis- DT (Louisiana Tech)

Rd. 6) Kadeem Edwards- G (Tennessee State)

dueceloose 01-29-2014 04:24 PM

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Ford or Ealy.. I'm for it. I see us possibly trading back to get another pick to make up for the 7th.

jeanpierre 01-29-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 576172)
I really like Draft Tek and I think they're right on with us picking Dee Ford in the first round. Unless he does something to hurt his draft stock I'm completely on board with getting him if he's available. Here's what Draft Tek currently projects for our draft:

Rd. 1) Dee Ford- OLB (Auburn)

Rd. 2) Anthony Steen- G (Alabama)

Rd. 3) Kareem Martin- DE (N. Carolina)

Rd. 4) Bryan Stork- C (Florida St.)

Rd. 5) Justin Ellis- DT (Louisiana Tech)

Rd. 6) Kadeem Edwards- G (Tennessee State)


On both need and bpa, I don't see this list as they had at least six players that present higher value and need for the Saints than Ford...

He's been amazing, but I think we already have that player on the roster, and affordable, in Galette...

Two Guards?!?

hagan714 01-29-2014 08:03 PM

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we have a ton of small fast OLB already that play three downs. we need beef for the run downs. keep the rush guys fresh.

in the games that count the most, the elite match ups, you need bull rushers that can anchor the ends. watch the last TD run in Seattle. you will see what i mean.

if we go that rout i am looking at trent murphy types

jeanpierre 01-30-2014 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 576211)
we have a ton of small fast OLB already that play three downs. we need beef for the run downs. keep the rush guys fresh.

in the games that count the most, the elite match ups, you need bull rushers that can anchor the ends. watch the last TD run in Seattle. you will see what i mean.

if we go that route i am looking at trent murphy types



Rewatched the last Seattle matchup...

Our defense did a helluva job on Lynch (loved de stuck it to the PFWA) with tackling breakdowns by Inside LBs (Lofton, Hawthorne) and the Safeties (Jenkins, Harper) doing the Beastmode damage...

Now, Good News is our defensive line is only facing FA loss in Tom Johnson, injured for some of the season; really like our line now of Jordan/Walker, Bunkley/Jenkins, Hicks/Foster...

But Cam Jordan's new contract is looming in 2015...

Only FA 34 defensive end I'd add would be Tyson Jackson, but...

Free Agency will be limited because of cap room (Graham should be tagged, non-exclusive), so...

Agree that we still have great need for LB - we've started the transition to the 34 so we need to get some 6-2 to 6-4 linebackers in the 230lb-255lb range and who can hit with authoriti'...

I'm not sold Lofton nor Hawthorne are natural fits for the 34 defense; but their contract situations make it prohibitive to release them this season for cap space...*

Expiring contracts on Herring and Humber (who were great in their roles) have created need to draft at least two linebackers who are flexible and can be developed for starting play by 2015...

Kevin Reddick will have a huge opportunity this offseason...

Junior Galette is a big OLB (former DE), under contract and has played solidly in the pass...

Parys Haralson is now a free agent, now 30+, and a torn pectoral muscle...

Victor Butler is rehabbing a serious knee injury (which seems to be going well by his effort to attempt to play in late season), but there's that uncertainty...

A first round pick does seems plausible, but that investment requires that player to start and have an impact with likely candidates in Kyle Van Noy, Trent Murphy, Ryan Shazier and Dee Ford...

Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu, out of position as DE in 43 this year had great success at OLB in 34 in previous seasons; noted by coaches at Senior Bowl for playing multiple LB positions, his work ethic and progression during week and could be had for a late second round pick investment...

We've got a good start rebuilding the backstop with Vaccaro and Bush, though we're gonna need depth there...

Vaccaro has proved to be a brilliant draft pick; guy reminds me of a velociraptor...

Bush outplayed Jenkins (again), but could clean up some parts of his game (coverage) - but he hits with passion which this defense needs...

Harper's contract and debatable play makes him an afterthought...

Late in the season, we learned an old lesson at a different position - you can never have too many cornerbacks...

It's early mocking, players all over the place, but if Justin Gilbert falls to the early 20's pick range, that close, we should make that move as he'd be the only cornerback I'd draft in the first round...

Corey White was inconsistent which experience should remedy ball location (not so sure Samford alum shouldn't be playing safety) but he'll be fine as a big physical second or nickel back...

*» Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2013 Salary Cap and Contracts

hagan714 01-30-2014 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 576249)

Rewatched the last Seattle matchup...

painful huh the luck any team has running on us is on the edges,
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 576249)
But Cam Jordan's new contract is looming in 2015...

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 576249)

much better year to sign Cam but i think we will have a Tagged player issue again next year.
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 576249)
A first round pick does seems plausible, but that investment requires that player to start and have an impact with likely candidates in Kyle Van Noy, Trent Murphy, Ryan Shazier and Dee Ford...

Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu who played out of position as a DE in a 43 this past year had more success in the 34 at OLB in previous seasons; of note, he played multiple LB positions at the Senior Bowl and was noted for his work ethic and progression each day and could be had for a late second round pick...



Trent Murphy appears to be the best option at shutting down an edge but man he is not the fastest cat around. DE/OLB seem to be a year of "up side"
Kyle Van Noy is looking to be hands down the best LB for pass coverage in the draft.
Jeremiah Attaochu i see another pass rush specialist here.

as for the rest of the story. i agree

see i am a buzz kill i stick with you can never have enough players at any given position when drafting.

jeanpierre 01-31-2014 09:46 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Saints Mock Draft

R1 CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State, 6-0/200

R2 LB Jeremiah Attaochu, Georgia Tech, 6-3/252

R3 OT Jawuan James, Tennessee, 6-6/315

R4 C Marcus Martin, USC, 6-3/310

R5 RB James White, Wisconsin, 5-9/206

R6 NT Zach Kerr, Delaware, 6-2/334

R7 TRADED to 49ers for Parys Haralson

ChrisXVI 01-31-2014 10:15 PM

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Tons of people seem to have us taking Scott Chrichton from Oregon State in the first round. Who the hell is this guy and why is he such a popular choice for us in the first round?? I never heard of him until recent mock drafts.

jeanpierre 02-01-2014 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 576498)
Tons of people seem to have us taking Scott Chrichton from Oregon State in the first round. Who the hell is this guy and why is he such a popular choice for us in the first round?? I never heard of him until recent mock drafts.

He's another "Tweener" Defender - Small Defensive End, Oversized OLB type...compares best to Elvis Dumervil type of player...at the college level he used elite quickness to slip by tackles for sacks, tackles for loss...

Chrichton, Michael Sam and Dee Ford have some obvious risk for a first, second rounder as they're great players in a one-trick pony role...

Questions...

Because of their size, they will be limited at point of attack, will they still have their speed advantage vs athleticism of NFL tackles?

How many years, two-three, before they slow down and that's gone?!?

I see a similar situation as Miami's No. 3 overall pick Dion Jordan; slapped into a DE role, his speed advantage is not what it was in college and he's struggled...

Look at our 2013 NFL draft and the example of the impact a first round pick can have...

hagan714 02-01-2014 09:10 AM

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i just do not get it. pass rushing has gotten so over hyped it over shadows total skill package.

DE has to set the edge. thats the first thing you learn at that postion.

next can he bull rush and collapse the pocket.

that what this team needs

jeanpierre 02-02-2014 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 576522)
i just do not get it. pass rushing has gotten so over hyped it over shadows total skill package.

DE has to set the edge. thats the first thing you learn at that postion.

next can he bull rush and collapse the pocket.

that what this team needs

The pass rush hype is due to two reasons:

First, the league is passing at an all-time rate...

Second, new pass coverage rules means you have to find other ways to stop the pass, so you stop the passer if you can't touch the receiver...

The Saints found something though when they started running the ball, the other team can't pass and run if they don't have the ball as long...

hagan714 02-03-2014 04:45 AM

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JP solid aguement but as seattle has proved bull rushing on 1st and 2nd downs works. speed rush on 3rd or obvious passing down where the DE loops wide.

the bull rush maintains the edge and controls the pocket. that is what this defense is missing on running downs. plus we could not get pressure on a QB way to many times last year with a 4 man rush.

JR put up some great number for the spot lights but too many times he was just riden out of a play due to his style of play. speed kills also.

this teams need finishing touches to fill in the voids not add to an area of strength.

plus i am sure JR would love to have a better rotation, he played way to many snaps last year. it actually hurt his productivity in my opinion.

Not picking on JR here he is just an example. the same can be said with the entire DL as well.

jeanpierre 02-03-2014 08:36 PM

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Next Up...

NFL Scouting Combine - NFL.com


Saturday 22 February 2014

K Major 02-03-2014 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 576909)
Next Up...

NFL Scouting Combine - NFL.com


Saturday 22 February 2014

Wow, right around the corner.

hagan714 02-04-2014 05:07 AM

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the regionals start soon also, but the big beauty pageant is coming up baby,

i can not wait to see mose numbers.

jeanpierre 02-08-2014 02:59 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Saints Mock Draft

R1 CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State, 6-0/200

R2 LB Jeremiah Attaochu, Georgia Tech, 6-3/252

R3 OT Jawuan James, Tennessee, 6-6/315

R4 C Marcus Martin, USC, 6-3/310

R5 RB James White, Wisconsin, 5-9/206

R6 NT Zach Kerr, Delaware, 6-2/334

R7 TRADED to 49ers for Parys Haralson

SaintLeonard 02-08-2014 03:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 577504)
Saints Mock Draft

R1 CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State, 6-0/200

R2 LB Jeremiah Attaochu, Georgia Tech, 6-3/252

R3 OT Jawuan James, Tennessee, 6-6/315

R4 C Marcus Martin, USC, 6-3/310

R5 RB James White, Wisconsin, 5-9/206

R6 NT Zach Kerr, Delaware, 6-2/334

R7 TRADED to 49ers for Parys Haralson

Good mock, i like it.

Danno 02-08-2014 04:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 577504)
Saints Mock Draft

R1 CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State, 6-0/200

R2 LB Jeremiah Attaochu, Georgia Tech, 6-3/252

R3 OT Jawuan James, Tennessee, 6-6/315

R4 C Marcus Martin, USC, 6-3/310

R5 RB James White, Wisconsin, 5-9/206

R6 NT Zach Kerr, Delaware, 6-2/334

R7 TRADED to 49ers for Parys Haralson

I'll bet we don't draft any of those guys.

SaintLeonard 02-08-2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 577508)
I'll bet we don't draft any of those guys.

Perhaps not. But that's why it's called a mock draft. Emphasis on the word mock. Draft talk is all just speculation at this point, but you could say that about message boards in general. I don't see what the big deal is.

hagan714 02-09-2014 07:40 AM

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Justin Gilbert, sell me on him. he makes a lot of high light reels doth ways. picks and burns. i am still not sold on his tackling either.

hagan714 02-09-2014 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 577508)
I'll bet we don't draft any of those guys.

really. i am happy if i hit two picks from the saints. they always leave you going who? what? well ok i guess.

jeanpierre 02-09-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 577538)
Justin Gilbert, sell me on him. he makes a lot of high light reels doth ways. picks and burns. i am still not sold on his tackling either.

He's wishful thinking on my part, he'll be gone in the teens, but...

Start by watching this...



Utah_Saint 02-09-2014 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 577539)
really. i am happy if i hit two picks from the saints. they always leave you going who? what? well ok i guess.

I can tell you this, I looked pretty smart when I told buddies that the Saints would draft Kenny Vaccaro from Texas a month before the draft.

I don't know anything about draft prospects. I got that from y'all.

halloween 65 02-09-2014 07:55 PM

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2nd mock, here goes.
Round 1- Calvin Pryor FS Louisville
Finally get a FS to replace Jenkins
Round 2-Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minnesota
Could make a real good front great for years to come
Round 3-Byran Stork C Florida State
Would look great allowing Brees to step up and also bolster run game.
Round 4- Jordon Matthews WR Vanderbuilt
I think he falls right into our lap.
Round 5- Andrew Jackson ILB Western KY.
Extreamly hard hitter, presents is felt on the field. Patterns his play after Ray Lewis.
Round 6- Spencer Long G Nebraska
Potential top 100 pick in this years draft before tearing ACL. Athletic, good on passing downs and run game, Sleeper pick.
Lot depends on what the FO does with Graham.

jeanpierre 02-09-2014 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 577584)
2nd mock, here goes.
Round 1- Calvin Pryor FS Louisville
Finally get a FS to replace Jenkins
Round 2-Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minnesota
Could make a real good front great for years to come
Round 3-Byran Stork C Florida State
Would look great allowing Brees to step up and also bolster run game.
Round 4- Jordon Matthews WR Vanderbuilt
I think he falls right into our lap.
Round 5- Andrew Jackson ILB Western KY.
Extreamly hard hitter, presents is felt on the field. Patterns his play after Ray Lewis.
Round 6- Spencer Long G Nebraska
Potential top 100 pick in this years draft before tearing ACL. Athletic, good on passing downs and run game, Sleeper pick.
Lot depends on what the FO does with Graham.

Pryor is starting to grow on me...

No way Hageman falls that far to the second round; he's a first rounder...

jeanpierre 02-09-2014 11:03 PM

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amazin15 02-09-2014 11:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 577584)
2nd mock, here goes.
Round 1- Calvin Pryor FS Louisville
Finally get a FS to replace Jenkins
Round 2-Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minnesota
Could make a real good front great for years to come
Round 3-Byran Stork C Florida State
Would look great allowing Brees to step up and also bolster run game.
Round 4- Jordon Matthews WR Vanderbuilt
I think he falls right into our lap.
Round 5- Andrew Jackson ILB Western KY.
Extreamly hard hitter, presents is felt on the field. Patterns his play after Ray Lewis.
Round 6- Spencer Long G Nebraska
Potential top 100 pick in this years draft before tearing ACL. Athletic, good on passing downs and run game, Sleeper pick.
Lot depends on what the FO does with Graham.


I like this but I'd take Jarvis Landry in the 2nd and DT Justin Ellis in the 4th. Landry could be the successor to Colston. Good hands nice athleticism. Ellis looked good in both the East-West game and the Senior Bowl. Run stopper who is athletic enough to get after the quarterback.


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