Who to cut (cap hits included)

hennr · 01-25-2014, 09:15 AM

Will Smith=cut only back if he would play for a vet min. contract.jabri Greer=cut he has two things against him age an a very bad torn up knee an leg.Only way back would be if would sign a vet min contract an see how his knee an leg responds,More likely he retires a saint.Between Sproles an thomas keep one cut the other.I would cut sproles as i think his skill set could be replaced with the saints last pick a 6th round pick.Bunkley we keep between him an Jenkins the Saints are set at the NT position.Moore needs to take a pay cut but only of about 33% any more saints risk him going to another team.If the saints have to franchise Jimmy is it at TE or Wr with wr being the cheaper route if it ends up in arbi court look for a split the def.- settlement.If Drew restructures contract should allow enough to pay for Jimmy an resign key players like Haralson an Stieff-punte-dawson-humber-an yes Meachem,along with RFAs like bush etc,The one player i see walking is malcolm the FS as i think another team will overspend for jenkins

Boutte · 01-25-2014, 01:00 PM

People have been trying to write Thomas off for years. Now it's because he's too old and the proof is that he couldn't run the ball from scrimmage this year. You know like Ingram, Sproles and Robinson. Oh that's right those other guys couldn't run because the O Line wasn't blocking.

Thomas is just old, slow and injury prone. The only thing he's good for is being one of the best receiving threats out of the backfield in the league. If you can't get yards from scrimmage behind a bad O Line you're not any good. Unless you're Mark Ingram or K Rob. (Sproles is worthless too apparently.) Then it's the lines fault.

|Mitch| · 01-25-2014, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Unless you're Mark Ingram or K Rob. (Sproles is worthless too apparently.) Then it's the lines fault.

Apparently our definition of bad is different: Mark Ingram had a 4.9 yards/att stat...

Khiry had a 4.1 yards/att

Thomas had a 3.7 yards/att

Sproles had a 4.2 yards/att

Ingram had a 9.7 yards per catch average and Thomas had a 6.7 yards per catch, so I guess that debunks the best screen back we have opinion

dueceloose · 01-25-2014, 01:57 PM

How many catches did Thomas get and how many did ingram get? Sure they attempted more to Thomas than Ingram so the smaller sample size would look better than Thomas who's gotten more and had more chances to get stopped.

|Mitch| · 01-25-2014, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by dueceloose

How many catches did Thomas get and how many did ingram get? Sure they attempted more to Thomas than Ingram so the smaller sample size would look better than Thomas who's gotten more and had more chances to get stopped.

How do you know that with more catches Ingrams yards per catch would go down? He might have had a bigger average with more attempts, no one can be sure until it happens...

blackangold · 01-25-2014, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

CUTS:
Smith
Sproles
Thomas
Moore

Restructures:
Harper
Greer

Re-sign
Graham
Bush
Wade
Haralson

Cap Room
$168,546

Still need to sign the drafted players and need a new RT and C. Not going to be an easy year for Loomis. Restructuring Brees is out of the question because we need to save that for next year. Colston could restructure to save 3.05m or we could cut PRob to save 1.3m. Don't expect some major signings this year. Going to be a harsh off-season in my opinion.

You can play with the cap at this site... see how you do.

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alleycat_126 · 01-26-2014, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

CUTS:
Smith
Sproles
Thomas
Moore

Restructures:
Harper
Greer

Re-sign
Graham
Bush
Wade
Haralson

Cap Room
$168,546

Still need to sign the drafted players and need a new RT and C. Not going to be an easy year for Loomis. Restructuring Brees is out of the question because we need to save that for next year. Colston could restructure to save 3.05m or we could cut PRob to save 1.3m. Don't expect some major signings this year. Going to be a harsh off-season in my opinion.

You can play with the cap at this site... see how you do.

Salary Cap Calculator - Over the Cap

Not if you start placing more names on that cut list........ Also a few questions, Why are people so high on Haralson??? Ive seen 3 or 4 people now including my brother who love Haralson off two similar injuries coming back??? why bring Greer back if you draft a starter and you bring back a younger P Rob, and Corey White???

blackangold · 01-26-2014, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

Not if you start placing more names on that cut list........ Also a few questions, Why are people so high on Haralson??? Ive seen 3 or 4 people now including my brother who love Haralson off two similar injuries coming back??? why bring Greer back if you draft a starter and you bring back a younger P Rob, and Corey White???

Haralson plays the run very well and comes cheap.

You keep Greer and Harper off of restructures. If they are unwilling then cut them, but you can restructure them to a point where you would only save 500k cutting them... doesn't make sense to do that.

As far as cutting more people; it gets really tight. Everyone in this thread talks about cutting Buckley but if you look at his 6.1m cap number but 5m in dead money cutting him to save 1.1m doesn't make sense.

The more I think about it i don't know if we can afford to keep Graham. If we keep him we might lose 3-4 starters through cuts alone. We have had the #1 offense without Graham in the past, is he really worth it?

NonieT · 01-26-2014, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Haralson plays the run very well and comes cheap.

You keep Greer and Harper off of restructures. If they are unwilling then cut them, but you can restructure them to a point where you would only save 500k cutting them... doesn't make sense to do that.

As far as cutting more people; it gets really tight. Everyone in this thread talks about cutting Buckley but if you look at his 6.1m cap number but 5m in dead money cutting him to save 1.1m doesn't make sense.

The more I think about it i don't know if we can afford to keep Graham. If we keep him we might lose 3-4 starters through cuts alone. We have had the #1 offense without Graham in the past, is he really worth it?

YES!!!

alleycat_126 · 01-26-2014, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Haralson plays the run very well and comes cheap.

Not as cheap as a not injury prone Rookie... He's holding a spot for somebody who could be producing, much like Travis Cadet.

You keep Greer and Harper off of restructures.

Bush, and Vaccaro are going to be the starting safeties going into next season. You will draft another FS... You don't need Roman Harper.... The same can be said for Greer... He has had an admirable Saints career. Done more than anyone could have asked. But he wasn't a #1 corner when Tracy Porter left, and he is not a #2 corner now after the injury on the wrong side of 30. Patrick Robinson is younger, and Corey White is gonna get better by going back to slot duty... LET GO!!!!!

As far as cutting more people; it gets really tight. What's tight about replacing people who you may not need, or are not producing.... and getting cheaper options.....

The more I think about it i don't know if we can afford to keep Graham. If we keep him we might lose 3-4 starters through cuts alone. We have had the #1 offense without Graham in the past, is he really worth it?

YES, YES, AND AGAIN YES.... worth every red ginger nickel.... We have been reaping off of him since that 3rd round selection...

01-25-2014, 09:15 AM	#1
hennr 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 262	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Will Smith=cut only back if he would play for a vet min. contract.jabri Greer=cut he has two things against him age an a very bad torn up knee an leg.Only way back would be if would sign a vet min contract an see how his knee an leg responds,More likely he retires a saint.Between Sproles an thomas keep one cut the other.I would cut sproles as i think his skill set could be replaced with the saints last pick a 6th round pick.Bunkley we keep between him an Jenkins the Saints are set at the NT position.Moore needs to take a pay cut but only of about 33% any more saints risk him going to another team.If the saints have to franchise Jimmy is it at TE or Wr with wr being the cheaper route if it ends up in arbi court look for a split the def.- settlement.If Drew restructures contract should allow enough to pay for Jimmy an resign key players like Haralson an Stieff-punte-dawson-humber-an yes Meachem,along with RFAs like bush etc,The one player i see walking is malcolm the FS as i think another team will overspend for jenkins
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01-25-2014, 01:20 PM	#3
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Boutte Unless you're Mark Ingram or K Rob. (Sproles is worthless too apparently.) Then it's the lines fault. Apparently our definition of bad is different: Mark Ingram had a 4.9 yards/att stat... Khiry had a 4.1 yards/att Thomas had a 3.7 yards/att Sproles had a 4.2 yards/att Ingram had a 9.7 yards per catch average and Thomas had a 6.7 yards per catch, so I guess that debunks the best screen back we have opinion mleg1972 and blackangold like this.
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01-25-2014, 01:57 PM	#4
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) How many catches did Thomas get and how many did ingram get? Sure they attempted more to Thomas than Ingram so the smaller sample size would look better than Thomas who's gotten more and had more chances to get stopped. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-25-2014, 05:54 PM	#5
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by dueceloose How many catches did Thomas get and how many did ingram get? Sure they attempted more to Thomas than Ingram so the smaller sample size would look better than Thomas who's gotten more and had more chances to get stopped. How do you know that with more catches Ingrams yards per catch would go down? He might have had a bigger average with more attempts, no one can be sure until it happens...

01-25-2014, 03:08 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut? I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker.. Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)... Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 CUTS: Smith Sproles Thomas Moore Restructures: Harper Greer Re-sign Graham Bush Wade Haralson Cap Room $168,546 Still need to sign the drafted players and need a new RT and C. Not going to be an easy year for Loomis. Restructuring Brees is out of the question because we need to save that for next year. Colston could restructure to save 3.05m or we could cut PRob to save 1.3m. Don't expect some major signings this year. Going to be a harsh off-season in my opinion. You can play with the cap at this site... see how you do. Salary Cap Calculator - Over the Cap

01-25-2014, 01:00 PM	#2
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) People have been trying to write Thomas off for years. Now it's because he's too old and the proof is that he couldn't run the ball from scrimmage this year. You know like Ingram, Sproles and Robinson. Oh that's right those other guys couldn't run because the O Line wasn't blocking. Thomas is just old, slow and injury prone. The only thing he's good for is being one of the best receiving threats out of the backfield in the league. If you can't get yards from scrimmage behind a bad O Line you're not any good. Unless you're Mark Ingram or K Rob. (Sproles is worthless too apparently.) Then it's the lines fault.

01-26-2014, 11:03 AM	#7
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold CUTS: Smith Sproles Thomas Moore Restructures: Harper Greer Re-sign Graham Bush Wade Haralson Cap Room $168,546 Still need to sign the drafted players and need a new RT and C. Not going to be an easy year for Loomis. Restructuring Brees is out of the question because we need to save that for next year. Colston could restructure to save 3.05m or we could cut PRob to save 1.3m. Don't expect some major signings this year. Going to be a harsh off-season in my opinion. You can play with the cap at this site... see how you do. Salary Cap Calculator - Over the Cap Not if you start placing more names on that cut list........ Also a few questions, Why are people so high on Haralson??? Ive seen 3 or 4 people now including my brother who love Haralson off two similar injuries coming back??? why bring Greer back if you draft a starter and you bring back a younger P Rob, and Corey White???

01-26-2014, 11:30 AM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by alleycat_126 Not if you start placing more names on that cut list........ Also a few questions, Why are people so high on Haralson??? Ive seen 3 or 4 people now including my brother who love Haralson off two similar injuries coming back??? why bring Greer back if you draft a starter and you bring back a younger P Rob, and Corey White??? Haralson plays the run very well and comes cheap. You keep Greer and Harper off of restructures. If they are unwilling then cut them, but you can restructure them to a point where you would only save 500k cutting them... doesn't make sense to do that. As far as cutting more people; it gets really tight. Everyone in this thread talks about cutting Buckley but if you look at his 6.1m cap number but 5m in dead money cutting him to save 1.1m doesn't make sense. The more I think about it i don't know if we can afford to keep Graham. If we keep him we might lose 3-4 starters through cuts alone. We have had the #1 offense without Graham in the past, is he really worth it?

01-26-2014, 12:15 PM	#9
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold Haralson plays the run very well and comes cheap. You keep Greer and Harper off of restructures. If they are unwilling then cut them, but you can restructure them to a point where you would only save 500k cutting them... doesn't make sense to do that. As far as cutting more people; it gets really tight. Everyone in this thread talks about cutting Buckley but if you look at his 6.1m cap number but 5m in dead money cutting him to save 1.1m doesn't make sense. The more I think about it i don't know if we can afford to keep Graham. If we keep him we might lose 3-4 starters through cuts alone. We have had the #1 offense without Graham in the past, is he really worth it? YES!!!
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01-26-2014, 11:16 PM	#10
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold Haralson plays the run very well and comes cheap. Not as cheap as a not injury prone Rookie... He's holding a spot for somebody who could be producing, much like Travis Cadet. You keep Greer and Harper off of restructures. Bush, and Vaccaro are going to be the starting safeties going into next season. You will draft another FS... You don't need Roman Harper.... The same can be said for Greer... He has had an admirable Saints career. Done more than anyone could have asked. But he wasn't a #1 corner when Tracy Porter left, and he is not a #2 corner now after the injury on the wrong side of 30. Patrick Robinson is younger, and Corey White is gonna get better by going back to slot duty... LET GO!!!!! As far as cutting more people; it gets really tight. What's tight about replacing people who you may not need, or are not producing.... and getting cheaper options..... The more I think about it i don't know if we can afford to keep Graham. If we keep him we might lose 3-4 starters through cuts alone. We have had the #1 offense without Graham in the past, is he really worth it? YES, YES, AND AGAIN YES.... worth every red ginger nickel.... We have been reaping off of him since that 3rd round selection...
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