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K Major 02-23-2022 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 945593)
If I could keep one or the other I keep Armstead. At least he rarely sucks when healthy. Can't say that about Popeyes Pete...
Agree completely.

When he plays, it's mostly elite LT play. Just sucks he's injured so much.

But if he leaves for more $$ ... I'll understand ;).

saintsfan1976 02-23-2022 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945530)
Can we put Peat into the "unavailable" category as well??

I believe Duncan or Ross mentioned that he's ended up on IR 3 out of the last 5 seasons :rolleyes:. A highly compensated O lineman I might add.

Not a good stat to have.
Peat is worse because he's nowhere near the talent level of Armstead.

Unfortunately neither is in our control. Terron can get paid and we can't match. On the other hand we're already paying Peat an absurd contract and can't trade him.

K Major 02-23-2022 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 945634)
Peat is worse because he's nowhere near the talent level of Armstead.

Unfortunately neither is in our control. Terron can get paid and we can't match. On the other hand we're already paying Peat an absurd contract and can't trade him.
KC offered Peat an almost identical deal however, the Saints matched it.

What would really concern me is if he moved to LT.

AsylumGuido 02-23-2022 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 945634)
Peat is worse because he's nowhere near the talent level of Armstead.

Unfortunately neither is in our control. Terron can get paid and we can't match. On the other hand we're already paying Peat an absurd contract and can't trade him.

What makes even worse for Peat is that guard is the least injured position in the NFL.

Not good at all.

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saintsfan1976 02-23-2022 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945662)
KC offered Peat an almost identical deal however, the Saints matched it.

What would really concern me is if he moved to LT.
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945663)
Oh god, these both make me sick to me stomach...

jeanpierre 02-24-2022 10:04 AM
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K Major 02-24-2022 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945693)
If Allen Robinson II does indeed come at a "discount", I'd be all over that one at the start of Free Agency.

jeanpierre 02-24-2022 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945695)
If Allen Robinson II does indeed come at a "discount", I'd be all over that one at the start of Free Agency.
Not at his age, I'd rather have D.J. Chark Jr. opposite Mike Thomas, Allen Robinson couldn't match Chark's vertical speed, ability to really stretch the field...

jeanpierre 02-24-2022 11:59 AM
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AsylumGuido 02-24-2022 12:01 PM
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saintfan 02-24-2022 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945719)
Welcome to the party... :rolleyes:

AsylumGuido 02-24-2022 03:30 PM
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K Major 02-24-2022 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945735)
Baker Mayfield?

He has weapons in Cleveland but still can’t get it done. At least his commercials are entertaining :p.

Definitely a hard pass 4 me.

AsylumGuido 02-24-2022 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945736)
Baker Mayfield?

He has weapons in Cleveland but still can’t get it done. At least his commercials are entertaining :p.

Definitely a hard pass 4 me.
He's got a pretty cute wife, too. But, most of them do.

jeanpierre 02-25-2022 02:34 AM
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Crusader 02-25-2022 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945736)
Baker Mayfield?

He has weapons in Cleveland but still can’t get it done. At least his commercials are entertaining :p.

Definitely a hard pass 4 me.
Yeah he is incredibly streaky. When he play his best football he is really good but other times he is plain horrible.

jeanpierre 02-25-2022 08:39 AM
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K Major 02-25-2022 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945751)
Will he come at a discount though? Based on his injury history, he should. Per Pro Football network, Chark has missed 22 games over the last four years. Not to mention he played in only 4 games last season.

Do the Saints need to add another possibly "injury prone" WR?

Love the skill set, size and the ability to separate however past injuries (adding more bulk would help) & the inability to stay on the field are concerning.

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

jeanpierre 02-25-2022 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945770)
Will he come at a discount though? Based on his injury history, he should. Per Pro Football network, Chark has missed 22 games over the last four years. Not to mention he played in only 4 games last season.

Do the Saints need to add another possibly "injury prone" WR?

Love the skill set, size and the ability to separate however past injuries (adding more bulk would help) & the inability to stay on the field are concerning.

Decisions, decisions, decisions.
Get killed with a rookie QB or play for winner? Playing on a winner has a way of making minor bumps and bruises go away...

Interview him and ask him about the injuries, if he's another Mr. Glass, I'd agree, move on; but his ability his undeniable...

saintsfan1976 02-25-2022 10:57 AM
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DJ Chark is too thin and can't hold up to the rigors of being an NFL WR.

jeanpierre 02-25-2022 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 945783)
DJ Chark is too thin and can't hold up to the rigors of being an NFL WR.
We could always continue getting the band back together and trade for Brandin Cooks on a cap friendly sign and trade deal enticing him with more guaranteed money...

Cooks opposite Thomas would be pretty imposing on opposing defenses...

K Major 02-25-2022 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 945783)
DJ Chark is too thin and can't hold up to the rigors of being an NFL WR.
Allen Robinson II has entered the chat :p.

saintsfan1976 02-25-2022 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945784)
We could always continue getting the band back together and trade for Brandin Cooks on a cap friendly sign and trade deal enticing him with more guaranteed money...

Cooks opposite Thomas would be pretty imposing on opposing defenses...
A 29 year old Cooks back in NOLA, huh? I guess he could certainly keep that safety honest...

halloween 65 02-25-2022 11:44 AM
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Quick question guys, how much can be afforded on a FA WR?

saintsfan1976 02-25-2022 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 945790)
Quick question guys, how much can be afforded on a FA WR?
Depends on a lot.

halloween 65 02-25-2022 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 945791)
Depends on a lot.



Russell Gage (Falcons UFA) could fill the slot and I think he's just scratching the surface on production. Could be a cheaper option? Then could use the draft for mid round WR.

The Dude 02-25-2022 12:05 PM
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As for Qb I think the following are off the table.

-Rodgers
- Wilson
- Winston

This leaves
- Cousins- probably off the table.
- Carr- doubt he’s going anywhere. Probably off the table.
- Wentz- HAHAHAHHA
- Mayfield- eh
- Bridgewater- better than what we have but won’t get us to the Super Bowl and definitely not a franchise Qb.
- Jimmy G- at least he’s been there.

I don’t see any of these guys are a long term solution. I would love to have Carr or maybe even Cousins but other than that I see the rest as 1 or 2 year guys filling in until other options come along.
We have a great defense and I would hate to “waste it” because we can’t keep up offensively. We would not have Alvin for a while so we may have to rely on a Qb that can be more than just a game manager.
If Winston isn’t available I think drafting may be our best option. Yes we have other needs but a lot of holes can be filled with the money we would have to cough up for a vet Qb.

saintfan 02-25-2022 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 945794)
As for Qb I think the following are off the table.

-Rodgers
- Wilson
- Winston

This leaves
- Cousins- probably off the table.
- Carr- doubt he’s going anywhere. Probably off the table.
- Wentz- HAHAHAHHA
- Mayfield- eh
- Bridgewater- better than what we have but won’t get us to the Super Bowl and definitely not a franchise Qb.
- Jimmy G- at least he’s been there.

I don’t see any of these guys are a long term solution. I would love to have Carr or maybe even Cousins but other than that I see the rest as 1 or 2 year guys filling in until other options come along.
We have a great defense and I would hate to “waste it” because we can’t keep up offensively. We would not have Alvin for a while so we may have to rely on a Qb that can be more than just a game manager.
If Winston isn’t available I think drafting may be our best option. Yes we have other needs but a lot of holes can be filled with the money we would have to cough up for a vet Qb.
If we're just after a placeholder then I'd go with Hill. We still don't know whether Book has the stuff. Bring in a vet backup and roll with that. Assuming Jameis moves on of course.

saintsfan1976 02-25-2022 12:36 PM
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Jameis Winston has in front of him a unique opportunity to not only be the heir to Brees but carry a loaded team of guys who like him well into the playoffs.

He's our QB.

K Major 02-25-2022 12:47 PM
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With an established defense already in place, I’d go after Winston FIRST.

How many more games could we have possibly won if he doesn’t get injured?

Cousins, Jimmy G (see his recent playoff performances), Wentz simply don’t do it for me. DWatson & Russ are the only guys I like more but you are going to have to give up a good player or two for their services.

This will probably become the most anticipated Free agency period for me in quite a while.

saintfan 02-25-2022 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945799)
With an established defense already in place, I’d go after Winston FIRST.

How many more games could we have possibly won if he doesn’t get injured?

Cousins, Jimmy G (see his recent playoff performances), Wentz simply don’t do it for me. DWatson & Russ are the only guys I like more but you are going to have to give up a good player or two for their services.

This will probably become the most anticipated Free agency period for me in quite a while.
Living out here I can confirm Jimmy G doesn't suck, but he's that QB that will make at least one bone-headed throw a game, often in the worst possible moment. He just has a knack for it. I would be extremely disappointed if we went after him. IMO it's Jameis, then Hill - either way we're okay.

AsylumGuido 02-25-2022 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 945790)
Quick question guys, how much can be afforded on a FA WR?
With simple restructures alone we can get to around $20 million under the cap. Add another $10 million by releasing Roby and then with a few extensions we can easily get to around $35 million in free cap. Of course, keeping Marcus Williams will cost some and we'll need to reserve $5 million or so for rookie contracts. There's no reason why we can't dabble in the FA market a bit.

saintfan 02-25-2022 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945801)
With simple restructures alone we can get to around $20 million under the cap. Add another $10 million by releasing Roby and then with a few extensions we can easily get to around $35 million in free cap. Of course, keeping Marcus Williams will cost some and we'll need to reserve $5 million or so for rookie contracts. There's no reason why we can't dabble in the FA market a bit.
No reason at all since the cap doesn't matter, eh little speedo? Let's sign Rogers, Wilson as his backup, Deebo...who else? Maybe we can coax Deion out of retirement and let Marcus walk? Ah hell lets sign him too!

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The Dude 02-25-2022 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 945793)
Russell Gage (Falcons UFA) could fill the slot and I think he's just scratching the surface on production. Could be a cheaper option? Then could use the draft for mid round WR.
I would love this move.

vpheughan 02-25-2022 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945751)
Like the idea of upgrading RG with Brandon Scherff,
Over the past four seasons, Scherff has started only 43 games, an average of 10.8 per year, which means he has missed 5.5 games per year over that span. He appeared in 66.2% of possible games from 2018-21.

During the same time frame Armstead started 47 games which is an average of 11.8 per season.
Will the real "Mr. Glass" please break!

K Major 02-26-2022 10:48 AM
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Zach Ertz
OJ Howard
Dalton Schultz
Mike Gesicki

Free Agent Tight Ends & HUGE upgrades over what we have in the building now.

jeanpierre 02-26-2022 11:06 AM
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jeanpierre 02-26-2022 11:07 AM
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jeanpierre 02-26-2022 11:08 AM
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jeanpierre 02-26-2022 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945845)
Zach Ertz
OJ Howard
Dalton Schultz
Mike Gesicki

Free Agent Tight Ends & HUGE upgrades over what we have in the building now.
Now Gesicki would be an interesting get...


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