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saintsfan1976 12-27-2021 01:56 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939503)
Ruiz is in year 2, however, he's starting to look like a reach in the 1st round. He's losing a lot of one on one battles ... all season long.

Wouldn't surprise me to see the Saints go for another O lineman in the 2022 draft. IMO we need better backups as well.
Outside of Ram and McCoy are 3 BIG question marks!

lee909 12-27-2021 03:55 PM
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Not relevant yet but I don't wa t Russell Wilson in a Sai to uniform next year. I think you'll be paying premium prices but a quickly diminishing product. I know he has partly checked out of Seattle by the looks of things but the one thing you always saw from him was a impressive deep ball and multiple times this season I have seen that ball slow up or be a couple of yards short on deeper throws. That arm is seemingly starting to decline already, either that or he just doesn't care in Seattlr anymore.

K Major 12-27-2021 04:39 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 939599)
Not relevant yet but I don't wa t Russell Wilson in a Sai to uniform next year. I think you'll be paying premium prices but a quickly diminishing product. I know he has partly checked out of Seattle by the looks of things but the one thing you always saw from him was a impressive deep ball and multiple times this season I have seen that ball slow up or be a couple of yards short on deeper throws. That arm is seemingly starting to decline already, either that or he just doesn't care in Seattlr anymore.
Right. + Seattle will want serious draft capital & a legit starter for Russ.

I'd target Jameis W in 2022, Ian B & go from there ...

ChrisXVI 12-27-2021 05:44 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939602)
Right. + Seattle will want serious draft capital & a legit starter for Russ.

I'd target Jameis W in 2022, Ian B & go from there ...
I’m with you 100%. We can get this offense humming again real quick. Sign a pass-catching TE in free agency and draft a top-tier WR.

saintsfan1976 12-28-2021 12:02 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 939605)
I’m with you 100%. We can get this offense humming again real quick. Sign a pass-catching TE in free agency and draft a top-tier WR.
Must address O line. Peat has to be gone. Armstead, bargain contract or gone. Ruiz - can he fare better with a solid group around him or did we draft a backup center in round 1?

FinSaint 12-29-2021 03:21 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 939930)
Must address O line. Peat has to be gone. Armstead, bargain contract or gone. Ruiz - can he fare better with a solid group around him or did we draft a backup center in round 1?
Ruiz is only 22, so I still have plenty of hope that he can develop into a good lineman.

AsylumGuido 12-29-2021 08:00 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 940026)
Ruiz is only 22, so I still have plenty of hope that he can develop into a good lineman.
Same here. I have always heard that an offensive line isn't a position but a single unit that grows stronger the longer they are together. The way we've rotated linemen in and out this season it makes it near impossible to grow. Read that Ruiz is the only Saints offensive lineman to have played 100% of the snaps this season.

K Major 12-29-2021 09:12 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Lol,

C'mon, guys, Ruiz is an awful lineman. Are we watching the same player?? His entire body of work in 2021 was bad. This off-season, you bring in guys and try to replace (upgrade) him. I wouldn't rule out drafting a guard in the mid-rounds. See Nicks, Evans, McKoy (late 2nd).

To say this guy is about as healthy as you can get, makes me think of how little contact he is making with opponents on a weekly basis. He's not plowing anyone, no lower body strength. Just a bunch of "whiffs".

Drafting Ruiz in the first was an absolute reach.

K Major 12-29-2021 09:29 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 939930)
Must address O line. Peat has to be gone. Armstead, bargain contract or gone. Ruiz - can he fare better with a solid group around him or did we draft a backup center in round 1?
The only thing Ruiz does effectively is make Andrus Peat look good.

Bad body language too. He looked pissed off at Ian & was actively assisting in getting that guy hurt (see Brees, Trevor S). Based on his performances, you could find a 2nd tier guard & not see much drop-off.

We didn't need a center & he hasn't developed into a guard. Lost in space.

Dress it up all you want but the Saints missed badly with the talent evaluation of Cesar Ruiz.

AsylumGuido 12-29-2021 09:36 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 940034)
Lol,

C'mon, guys, Ruiz is an awful lineman. Are we watching the same player?? His entire body of work in 2021 was bad. This off-season, you bring in guys and try to replace (upgrade) him. I wouldn't rule out drafting a guard in the mid-rounds. See Nicks, Evans, McKoy (late 2nd).

To say this guy is about as healthy as you can get, makes me think of how little contact he is making with opponents on a weekly basis. He's not plowing anyone, no lower body strength. Just a bunch of "whiffs".

Drafting Ruiz in the first was an absolute reach.
Just saying they may see something you don't because he's started every snap this season. If he was so horrible couldn't he be replaced by any warm body on the roster or on the street? I heard David Diehl (former Giants OT) say it's very difficult to evaluate an offensive lineman from the outside because you don't know who's missing assignments, them or the guy (or guys) beside them.

saintfan 12-29-2021 10:08 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 940034)
Lol,

C'mon, guys, Ruiz is an awful lineman. Are we watching the same player?? His entire body of work in 2021 was bad. This off-season, you bring in guys and try to replace (upgrade) him. I wouldn't rule out drafting a guard in the mid-rounds. See Nicks, Evans, McKoy (late 2nd).

To say this guy is about as healthy as you can get, makes me think of how little contact he is making with opponents on a weekly basis. He's not plowing anyone, no lower body strength. Just a bunch of "whiffs".

Drafting Ruiz in the first was an absolute reach.
Was it Tripplet who said after the game we had "a couple guys blocking air"? I believe Ruiz was one and one of these 'off the street' linemen was the other.

Look, things do happen, but you can't block air at this level. If you're 'blocking air' you don't belong up here.

:bng:

jeanpierre 12-29-2021 10:10 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939503)
Ruiz is in year 2, however, he's starting to look like a reach in the 1st round. He's losing a lot of one on one battles ... all season long.

Wouldn't surprise me to see the Saints go for another O lineman in the 2022 draft. IMO we need better backups as well.
Only backups I'd keep are Throckmartin, Clapp, and Young (if they don't move him to RT)...

Hurst is garbage - can't get movement on the inside, can defend the edge, and for FA money? No this isn't working...

Have been critical of Armstead's availability vs cap number; funny, it's Ramczyk who's earned first team All Pro, but Armstead gets called All-Pro for a 2nd team recognition...

Armstead had gotten back to missing certain matchups, and with his age, it's time to let Ramczyk be the anchor at Left Tackle...

I'd only keep McCoy, the rest of the starters I'd move for sign and trade cap relief moves, taking Day 3 picks compensation...

It was a mistake to let Sanders go; great value on a WRz cap number; instead of depending on a high a draft pick, rather have a proven veteran opposite @CantGuardMike...

This pushes Ty Montgomery, No.1 and Harris into your 3, 4 and 5 slots, and the remaining talent to compete for that sixth spot...

TreQuan is garbage, let him walk; draft some new WR candidates with Day 2, Day 3 draft picks, likely two new faces with the veteran FA WRz...

K Major 12-29-2021 10:14 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 940040)
Was it Tripplet who said after the game we had "a couple guys blocking air"? I believe Ruiz was one and one of these 'off the street' linemen was the other.

Look, things do happen, but you can't block air at this level. If you're 'blocking air' you don't belong up here.

:bng:
Facts.

Yes, you would be correct. Blocking air is a nice term but I like to refer to them as "whiffs". A "whiff" got our Hall of Famer seriously injured. A "whiff" also got Trevor leveled vs Tampa. And we all saw what happened to Ian.

You said it though, at this level of player ... that cannot happen.

The thing with Ruiz though is that he's a repeat offender. Unacceptable productivity from a former 1st rounder.

K Major 12-29-2021 10:29 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 940041)
Only backups I'd keep are Throckmartin, Clapp, and Young (if they don't move him to RT)...

Hurst is garbage - can't get movement on the inside, can defend the edge, and for FA money? No this isn't working...

Have been critical of Armstead's availability vs cap number; funny, it's Ramczyk who's earned first team All Pro, but Armstead gets called All-Pro for a 2nd team recognition...

Armstead had gotten back to missing certain matchups, and with his age, it's time to let Ramczyk be the anchor at Left Tackle...

I'd only keep McCoy, the rest of the starters I'd move for sign and trade cap relief moves, taking Day 3 picks compensation...

It was a mistake to let Sanders go; great value on a WRz cap number; instead of depending on a high a draft pick, rather have a proven veteran opposite @CantGuardMike...

This pushes Ty Montgomery, No.1 and Harris into your 3, 4 and 5 slots, and the remaining talent to compete for that sixth spot...

TreQuan is garbage, let him walk; draft some new WR candidates with Day 2, Day 3 draft picks, likely two new faces with the veteran FA WRz...
Agreed.

Saints must get that O-line together this off-season. Via Free agency and/or draft. Our backups have been suspect. Turnstyle play isn't going to cut it.

As for the WR "situation", I've been beating a dead horse on this subject for years now. I wanted Emmanuel on this team (before he signed with San Fran) 4 seasons ago. With Mike T out, we have no route runners on the roster. Guys aren't open because they lack the separation/route ability.

I'm still adamant about going after a young dawg in the 2022 draft ... early on. Last season I was a bit critical of Cincy (they went Free agency for a lineman) taking Chase with their 1st overall selection instead of an O-lineman, however, it's looking like WR was the right move. He's a dawg & helping them win games. Maybe the Saints do the same next season?

As far as Trequan goes, still inconsistent (year 3) & does his weekly disappearing act in meaningful games. Callaway has outshined him and is becoming a legit #3.

Yeah, I'm with you. Let someone else pay Smith next season.

ChrisXVI 12-29-2021 10:33 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 940041)
Hurst is garbage - can't get movement on the inside, can defend the edge, and for FA money? No this isn't working...
Whaaat?! Gotta disagree with you there brother. Hurst is the least of our problems. $3 mil/year for a guy who can competently play four O-Line spots? That’s an excellent depth piece. Far and away better player than Throckmorton and Clapp.

FinSaint 12-29-2021 01:23 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 940042)
The thing with Ruiz though is that he's a repeat offender. Unacceptable productivity from a former 1st rounder.

So, maybe the coaching is partly to blame if he keeps doing the same mistakes over and over again while still keeping his spot as a starter?!

He was a good player for Michigan, so what happened?

I remember the verdict being that he was a 1st round talent, but a weird pick for the Saints as they had no need for another center - maybe simply the BPA on the Saints board.

K Major 12-29-2021 01:34 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 940063)
So, maybe the coaching is partly to blame if he keeps doing the same mistakes over and over again while still keeping his spot as a starter?!

He was a good player for Michigan, so what happened?

I remember the verdict being that he was a 1st round talent, but a weird pick for the Saints as they had no need for another center - maybe simply the BPA on the Saints board.
Michigan produces great tackles. Interior lineman? ... not so much.

Did you notice his play on Monday? He's looking to block the centers assignment instead of his own (guard). Chris mentioned it in the game day chat but he appears to be confused. Stop looking left <--- while playing guard.

Having studs on his left and right (TA & Ramz) masked his weakness but he's lost. Not just this year either. You can't have these repeated pass protection letdowns. I don't see any other 1st round interior lineman struggling like he is.

Ruiz is going to get another QB seriously injured.

Saints swung and missed on this one. Selecting a guy who played center his whole life and drafting him to be a guard makes no sense.

Lord_Saint83 12-29-2021 02:14 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 940041)
Only backups I'd keep are Throckmartin, Clapp, and Young (if they don't move him to RT)...

Hurst is garbage - can't get movement on the inside, can defend the edge, and for FA money? No this isn't working...

Have been critical of Armstead's availability vs cap number; funny, it's Ramczyk who's earned first team All Pro, but Armstead gets called All-Pro for a 2nd team recognition...

Armstead had gotten back to missing certain matchups, and with his age, it's time to let Ramczyk be the anchor at Left Tackle...

I'd only keep McCoy, the rest of the starters I'd move for sign and trade cap relief moves, taking Day 3 picks compensation...

It was a mistake to let Sanders go; great value on a WRz cap number; instead of depending on a high a draft pick, rather have a proven veteran opposite @CantGuardMike...

This pushes Ty Montgomery, No.1 and Harris into your 3, 4 and 5 slots, and the remaining talent to compete for that sixth spot...

TreQuan is garbage, let him walk; draft some new WR candidates with Day 2, Day 3 draft picks, likely two new faces with the veteran FA WRz...


I agree with you JP on everything except with Hurst. Hurst is solid in my eyes. He won’t wow you but he’s steady Eddie. Throckmorton’s below average but better than Ruiz though but not by much. He misses a good bit too on blocks.

FinSaint 12-29-2021 02:31 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 940065)
Michigan produces great tackles. Interior lineman? ... not so much.



Did you notice his play on Monday? He's looking to block the centers assignment instead of his own (guard). Chris mentioned it in the game day chat but he appears to be confused. Stop looking left <--- while playing guard.



Having studs on his left and right (TA & Ramz) masked his weakness but he's lost. Not just this year either. You can't have these repeated pass protection letdowns. I don't see any other 1st round interior lineman struggling like he is.



Ruiz is going to get another QB seriously injured.



Saints swung and missed on this one. Selecting a guy who played center his whole life and drafting him to be a guard makes no sense.
To be fair, I remember SP stating post-draft that he was picked to be a center and the idea was to move McCoy to guard.

At least that is how I recall it...

I've noticed his mistakes, like everybody watching the games have, but I still hold on hope for there being a chance of redemption with him.

Some guys blossom late, so maybe Ruiz is one of those guys.

AsylumGuido 12-29-2021 03:35 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 940072)
To be fair, I remember SP stating post-draft that he was picked to be a center and the idea was to move McCoy to guard.

At least that is how I recall it...

I've noticed his mistakes, like everybody watching the games have, but I still hold on hope for there being a chance of redemption with him.

Some guys blossom late, so maybe Ruiz is one of those guys.
Some degree of continuity on the line could work wonders with the blooming. It's got to be difficult when the guys on either side of him have to wear "Hello My Name Is" name tags.

halloween 65 12-29-2021 06:41 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
I remember Charlie Brown. That was a swing and a miss.

lee909 12-29-2021 10:52 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Ruiz just doesn't look good. Maybe something clicks but he sits on the line between one of the best RT in football and a top 10 OC, he spent time with Drew shouting out amd explaining the protection and he just doesn't seem to get it, or at least has multiples plays were he switches off or just looks confused.

FinSaint 12-30-2021 01:43 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
I recall Ruiz's movement and down field blocking has been good on a few screen and run plays, so maybe that is a strenght of his game he can build upon.

The coaching staff needs to work with the kid on improving his overall strenght so he doesn't get pushed around by defensive linemen, and they need to teach him to better read and understand blocking schemes.

There is a reason he was picked where he was and that talent doesn't just disappear - I put a lot of it on the coaches as someone looking at it from the outside without knowing anything about what is going on internally.

As a 1st round pick, the Saints have three more seasons to work with him on a rookie contract, so all is not lost.

jeanpierre 12-31-2021 08:17 PM
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AsylumGuido 12-31-2021 08:32 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 940230)
I have to admit he did better than I had expected this year.

Boston Saint 12-31-2021 08:40 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 940231)
I have to admit he did better than I had expected this year.
Classy of you to own it.

vpheughan 12-31-2021 09:43 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 940230)
MEANINGLESS STAT
Can he play QB, WR or OL?

lee909 12-31-2021 10:56 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
The thought of potentially having Aaron Donald lining up over Ruiz on wild card weekend is having Taysom Hill wake up with night swearts already

ChrisXVI 01-02-2022 04:58 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Free agent WR options dwindling… Looks like Michael Gallup has joined Chris Godwin in the torn ACL in a contract year club.

lee909 01-02-2022 05:40 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 940431)
Free agent WR options dwindling… Looks like Michael Gallup has joined Chris Godwin in the torn ACL in a contract year club.
Don't want to see people injured but might actually make one of them affordable in a one year deal. Got 9 months to get healthy, even if you don't get them for first month

jeanpierre 01-04-2022 03:17 PM
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AsylumGuido 01-04-2022 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 940719)
He was never activated for the Titans even with A.J. Brown and Julio Jones both missing time. I know it's someone K_Major's been wanting.

jeanpierre 01-04-2022 10:37 PM
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jeanpierre 01-04-2022 11:25 PM
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jeanpierre 01-06-2022 02:53 PM
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jeanpierre 01-07-2022 05:40 AM
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jeanpierre 01-10-2022 12:13 PM
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jeanpierre 01-10-2022 05:21 PM
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Rugby Saint II 01-11-2022 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 941539)
I hope Baker puts it together in his second year. There were a lot of posters on here who thought he was the real deal.

K Major 01-11-2022 11:23 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
2022 Free agency - find a way to bring in a dawg WR.

There will be a few chain movers, ROUTE RUNNERS, td catchers available.


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