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Happy to see Clive Walford on there
Really like the guy

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 650775)

More than a single three down player its rotation imo. Keep the big guys and pass rushers fresh

I understand it's rotational but can a NT take every snap in a pinch. To me conditioning has to be there or you get little to no production out of a big guy. Missing a few snaps is one thing but missing to many is another. I like a NT mean and nasty.

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Sounds like we can forget Gregory,Peters or Green-Beckham and want one of Grayson or Petty

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Enjoy the "New" New Orleans Saints NFL 2015 Draft Song.

No Doubt We Will Have a Great Season!!!
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So if Foreverfan was in a cat draft, which type would it be?
Hmmm... Siamese, Tabby, Hairless, Calico????

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 650851)

I'd guess hairless

I'm thinking a tabby cat. Hard working, no frills, grew up tough, lunch pail kinda cat.

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For some reason I always picture him in my head as being bald when I read some of his posts

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 650842)

Enjoy the "New" New Orleans Saints NFL 2015 Draft Song.

No Doubt We Will Have a Great Season!!!
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One Week Away...

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One week TO LATE, thanks a lot Goofdell

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Fellow draft freaks... I have a question. When it comes to ILB's, which one of these two do you prefer and why: Eric Kendricks or Paul Dawson?? I don't need any info on the others and yes I've read the scouting reports but I want y'all's take on which one you'd prefer if we had to choose between the two.

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 650868)

Bernardrick McKinney.

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 650869)

Bernardrick McKinney.

Reading comprehension not your strongest area huh?

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 650868)

IMO two birds of a different color all together.

Eric Kendricks - play maker with instincts off the chart. Issue is with size in a 34. I fear you will not get a full 16 games out him. 43 were he is kept clean to do his thing he is perfect. I feel the same about all the good smaller ILB in draft.

Paul Dawson - he is a play maker also but his stats came against a ton of spread offenses. Against pro sets he did not preform so well. probably the best tackler in the draft. But that limited production against a pro set worries me

of the two Kendricks would get my vote.

this is a good 43 MLB draft IMO

As for a 34 i think gamble and go long term upside. I am all for the kid out of Clemson. Stephone Anthony is built to take the beating a 34 ILB must handle. Heck of a pick in the second round and has shown enough skill set to become a 3 down starter. the possibility is there without a doubt.

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Thanks hagan... I think it's just about a lock that Loomis and Payton will go after Anthony and I agree. Kendricks and Dawson are just two highly rated ILB's who excel in coverage and I wasn't too sure about them.

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Papz has a nose for ILB, he has picked more than a few good ones over the years. wish he would chime in if he has had the time to look them over.

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 650869)

Bernardrick McKinney.

i still think he is getting kinda of a bum wrap. It will be interesting to see if he does turn into this year highly rated ILB that drops like a rock. been more than a few over the past few years.

Bernardrick McKinney and Anthony Stevens paired up together might just be the 34 ILB mix of the draft.

it will be interesting to see what happens with him

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 650868)

Denzel Perryman Miami, after watching 3 games of his this last season, I really think he looks like he has the speed of a young Ray Lewis and the hitting ability of Vaughn Johnson

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 650874)

i still think he is getting kinda of a bum wrap.

I won't be so harsh as to say "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" as we've heard about him, but where's the production? I remember watching Mississippi State games last season specifically for McKinney and not seeing him do anything. With his size and speed he should have separated himself from the pack.

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 650875)

Denzel Perryman Miami, after watching 3 games of his this last season, I really think he looks like he has the speed of a young Ray Lewis and the hitting ability of Vaughn Johnson

Join Rez in Reading Comprehension 101.

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shift back to more of a 43?

WILL - Eric Kendricks

ILB - Anthony Stevens

would work as good start IMO

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 650880)

shift back to more of a 43?

WILL - Eric Kendricks

ILB - Anthony Stevens

would work as good start IMO

There seems to be a lot of sentiment about a shift back to a 4-3 since we brought back Dennis Allen and never really seemed dedicated to acquiring the pieces to run a 3-4... But it was Sean Payton's decision to switch to a 3-4 so it's confusing. Ellerbe wasn't really a fit in Miami's 4-3 and we brought him in so I have to think we're finally going to commit to the 3-4.

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Wow, 91 pages huh?

This draft is going to be crazy because we have so many needs... I think I saw somebody mention that other than QB, RB, and S, there really isn't a position that I feel really good about. I don't think there will be an OL worth the value of the 13th pick when we come up, even though I think that may be our most important need. There are tons of high-end pass rushers in this draft, but the elite guys will probably be gone by 13. We could use another CB. We could use a WR. So many possibilities... if I was going to take a stab at it, I'd guess pass rusher with 13 and OL with 31... address WR and LB in 2nd and 3rd round since those appear to be pretty deep groups.

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 650881)

Ellerbe dead money in the last two years is ZERO. so how long he is around seems to be up to him and his play.

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 650882)

I agree that is my biggest fear also. pretty shallow at the top of the draft it would appear.

now here is a twist. say we are sitting at 13 with nothing falling into our laps. all may not be lost

I see houston as a possible trade down. they and miami have pretty much the same shopping list. if both top RB are on the board we may get a call to move back a couple of spots.

houston
16 (1000), swap 51 (390) for 78 (200), ?????/

now we have two seconds and a third?

or do you take Todd Gurley at 13? :p

see i was ready to use a third on RB myself plus SP loves to over pay for a RB and well knee injuries are not what they use to be i guess.

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 650883)

Ellerbe dead money in the last two years is ZERO. so how long he is around seems to be up to him and his play.

True... He may have underachieved in Miami after receiving a ridiculous contract and now he'll play harder regardless of scheme. I don't know... There are too many question marks at LB and even with a glut of picks I don't know if we'll be able to solve it. Ideally our LB's in a base 3-4 will look like this post draft:

Jack- Junior Galette (But hopefully not... I'm over him. Give me a different guy in the draft.)
Will- Dannell Ellerbe
Mike- Stephone Anthony
Sam- Anthony Spencer

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 650868)

Fellow draft freaks... I have a question. When it comes to ILB's, which one of these two do you prefer and why: Eric Kendricks or Paul Dawson??

I would prefer Dawson and here is why ...

Watched him live in 3 home games and he was always around the ball. Very good instincts, makes plays, good in coverage and he consistently stood out. Coach Paterson has been quoted as saying that Dawson is a film room/study guy. Sure there are other LB's in the draft who may be faster, but all I saw was a guy who stood out when the lights come on.

Nothing against EK but Paul has impressed me well before all of this combine and draft talk.

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Thanks K Major! Great response. Paul Dawson has everything you would want in a player... But the draftniks make his attitude out to be some kind of problem. He kinda seems like Vilma.

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I know the runours out yesterday said that nobody with character issues will be drafted early.

If Marcus Peters or Randy Gregory are there at 31 do you pull the trigger?

Seen this earlier from Mayock
[Quote]On TCU linebacker Paul Dawson, who the Saints saw during his college pro day in Fort Worth: "He's had a lot of questions about his football passion. In all honesty, I love the kid's tape, but he's going to get pushed down late 2, the mid 3, even slide into 4. People are killing his football character."[Quote]

He would be a steal with one of our 3rd rounders.

What would people think of say

1. BPA(Thinking Sherff/Collins/Shelton)
1 (31) Marcus Peters/Randy Gregory
2. Phillip Dorsett
3. Paul Dawson
3. Ali Marpet/Clive Walford

Some question marks but surely the value is there

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 629207)

This is quite interesting

14 for '14: Top small-school prospects

Mike Huguenin
College Football 24/7 writer

While the vast majority of players selected every year will come from the FBS ranks, there still were 26 non-FBS players selected in the 2014 NFL Draft.

Included in that total was one FCS player selected in the second round, Eastern Illinois quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. And there were four non-FBS players in the third round.

As part of our "14 for '14" series, here's a look at 14 of the best small-school prospects for the 2015 draft; all are seniors, and each will be on scouts' radar this fall.

Bryan Bennett, QB, Southeastern Louisiana
Particulars: 6-foot-3, 205 pounds

Buzz: Bennett's name should be familiar to fans, especially to those who follow the Pac-12: He was the quarterback Marcus Mariota beat out to earn the starting job at Oregon in 2012. Bennett was Mariota's backup that fall before transferring to Southeastern Louisiana last season. The junior threw for 3,165 yards and 21 touchdowns and rushed for 1,046 yards and 16 touchdowns (a single-season school record) for the Lions last fall. Bennett, who led the Lions to the quarterfinals of the FCS playoffs, was the Southland Conference Player of the Year. Scouts will be looking to see if he can improve his accuracy this fall; he completed 61 percent of his passes last season.

Quinn Epperly, QB, Princeton
Particulars: 6-foot-3, 220 pounds

Buzz: Epperly is the reigning Ivy League Offensive Player of the Year and won the award in his first full season as the starter. Epperly completed 68 percent of his passes and threw for 2,137 yards and 25 TDs (against just three interceptions) last season; he also ran for 570 yards and 18 TDs in 10 games. Epperly, who is left-handed, accounted for at least three touchdowns in each of the Tigers' last nine games in 2013 and completed an NCAA-record 29 consecutive passes in a win over Cornell. Princeton scored 50 points five times last season; the Tigers had scored 50 points five times in previous 48 seasons.

David Johnson, RB, Northern Iowa
Particulars: 6-foot-3, 225 pounds

Buzz: Johnson is heading into his third season as a full-time starter for the Panthers; he was a part-time starter as a redshirt freshman in 2011. Scouts like his size and speed combo (he has been clocked in at sub-4.5 seconds in the 40). Johnson also is proficient as a receiver, but his main talent is as a runner; he will run behind a good offensive line this fall and should easily top 1,000 yards for the third consecutive season.

Jake Kumerow, WR, Wisconsin-Whitewater
Particulars: 6-foot-5, 195 pounds

Buzz: Kumerow has good size and good hands and is a deep threat for the Warhawks, the reigning Division III national champions. He also is the son of former NFL first-round pick Eric Kumerow; the nephew of former NFL first-rounder John Bosa; and the cousin of Ohio State star sophomore defensive end Joey Bosa. Jake Kumerow began his career at Illinois but transferred to Division III Wisconsin-Whitewater before the 2012 season. Last season, Kumerow had 77 catches for 1,331 yards (17.3 yards per reception) and 19 TDs; he had six games with multiple TD receptions and had five 100-yard games, including a 103-yard, two-touchdown performance in a 52-14 rout of Mount Union (Ohio) in the Division III title game.

Cole Manhart, OT, Nebraska-Kearney
Particulars: 6-foot-6, 300 pounds

Buzz: Manhart will be a three-year starter at left tackle for the Lopers, a Division II program. Manhart is big, strong -- he can squat 500 pounds -- and plays with a mean streak, but he's also nimble enough to play H-back in what Nebraska-Kearney calls its "hammer package." Manhart was one of four Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association players named a first-team All-American by the American Football Coaches Association last season; two of the other first-team members -- Pittsburg State wide receiver John Brown and Lindenwood cornerback Pierre Desir -- were taken in the 2014 NFL Draft. Manhart was the only unanimous selection on last season's All-MIAA first team.

Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary
Particulars: 6-foot-2, 205 pounds

Buzz: McBride will be a three-year starter for the Tribe and is coming off a season in which he had 63 receptions for 801 yards and five TDs. McBride also served as the Tribe's kick returner and averaged 27.5 yards per return. He has 15 TD receptions in the past two seasons and runs well for a guy his size (he has been clocked sub-4.4 in the 40).

MyCole Pruitt, TE, Southern Illinois
Particulars: 6-foot-3, 250 pounds

Buzz: He will be a four-year starter for the Salukis and has been remarkably consistent, catching between 43 and 48 passes for 562 to 601 yards in each of the past three seasons. His touchdown total has been consistent, too, going from three in 2011 to four in 2012 to five last season. He was ranked third nationally in receptions (48) among tight ends in the FCS last season despite missing two games with a broken leg. He plays in a run-oriented offense and is a solid blocker. He also has H-back potential at the next level.

Kevin Rodgers, QB, Henderson State
Particulars: 6-foot-3, 215 pounds

Buzz: Rodgers has been a finalist for the Harlon Hill Trophy -- which goes to the top player in Division II -- in each of the past two seasons. Last season, he threw for 4,807 yards with 40 TDs and 12 picks, and completed 68.95 percent of his passes. He threw for 4,002 yards and 41 TDs in 2012. He has thrown for at least 400 yards nine times in the past two seasons and has 18 300-yard games in that span. Rodgers, who already has graduated and is working on his MBA, holds school records for passing yards, touchdown passes and completions. Fans will get a chance to see Rodgers on the CBS Sports Network on Sept. 18, when Henderson State (which is located in Arkadelphia, Arkansas) plays host to Southeastern Oklahoma.

De'Ante "Pop" Saunders, CB, Tennessee State
Particulars: 5-foot-11, 200 pounds

Buzz: Saunders was a two-year starter at safety at Florida before he was kicked off the team late in the 2012 season. He had four interceptions, 39 tackles and nine pass breakups for Tennessee State last season as a cornerback, but his best pro position might be safety. Saunders -- who started as a true freshman at Florida -- lacks elite speed, but he has great instincts, is active in run support and can lay the lumber. Saunders has NFL talent, but red flags are flying with regard to his character.

Jaquiski Tartt, SS, Samford
Particulars: 6-foot-1, 218 pounds

Buzz: Tartt has good size and is extremely active in run support; he also runs well for his size (he has been clocked as fast as 4.46 in the 40). He had 98 tackles last season for the Bulldogs -- the year the team won the Southern Conference. He also had one interception, which he returned for a score, and nine pass breakups. Tartt has made 192 tackles and scored three defensive touchdowns in the past two seasons. The safety only played one season of high school football in Mobile, Alabama.

Lynden Trail, OLB, Norfolk State
Particulars: 6-foot-7, 260 pounds

Buzz: Trail is an intriguing prospect because of his size, production (he had 8.5 sacks and 94 tackles last season) and background (he began his college career at Florida and was considered one of the nation's top high school defensive ends at powerhouse Miami Washington). He also had 12.5 tackles for loss, five forced fumbles, two blocked kicks, 10 quarterback hurries and eight pass breakups last season. He has 14.5 sacks and 29.5 tackles for loss in two seasons with the Spartans. Trail has gained more than 40 pounds since graduating from high school. Of note: He didn't play at all at Florida -- he redshirted as a true freshman in 2010 and did not seeing any time in 2011 before deciding to move on. But as he has gained weight, he has made big strides on the field. His size and pass-rush skills are notable.

Charles Tuaau, DT, Texas A&M-Commerce
Particulars: 6-foot-5, 310 pounds

Buzz: Tuaau, a native of Hawaii, made a huge impact in his first season with the Division II Lions after transferring from a California junior college; he had 12.5 sacks and 25.5 tackles for loss -- staggering numbers for a nose tackle -- in garnering Lone Star Athletic Conference Defensive Player of the Year honors last fall. Tuaau signed with Hawaii out of high school but ended up at Pasadena City College in 2011. He played for Riverside community college in 2012 then signed with Oregon State in February 2013. But he didn't meet OSU's academic requirements and ended up at Texas A&M-Commerce (known as East Texas State until 1996), which is located in a town of population 9,000 about an hour northeast of downtown Dallas. His disruptive nature will intrigue NFL scouts.

Zach Wagenmann, DE, Montana
Particulars: 6-foot-3, 250 pounds

Buzz: Wagenmann is easy to spot when you watch a Grizzlies game on TV -- he's the guy whose long blond locks are flowing out of his helmet when he is running down opposing quarterbacks. He will be a three-year starter for one of the best FCS programs in the nation and has 20 sacks and 29.5 tackles for loss in his career. Wagenmann had 8.5 sacks, 64 tackles and three forced fumbles last season. His pass-rush prowess is what has garnered notice from scouts. He didn't get serious about football until he was a junior in high school, instead concentrating on basketball.

Xavier Williams, DT, Northern Iowa
Particulars: 6-foot-4, 311 pounds

Buzz: Williams is big, physical and active. The then-junior had 74 tackles last season to go with 5.5 sacks and 12 tackles for loss; he also blocked five kicks in the 2012 season, one of which occurred against Wisconsin. Williams is a former high school wrestler who does a good job with leverage considering his height.

Thought it would be worth bumping this up to see how these are doing in big boards and to renember come draft day and one of my fav time the rush for UDFA

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Since RB David Johnson has gotten press from this list, he's taken advantage and gained momentum as more teams have found out about his game...

Former UF DE Lynden Trail has the 'wow' size, but hasn't impressed, gained any momentum in interviews or pro-day, further he'll have to bulk up as he'll need to play DE and not OLB (Leo) as he did at his transferred college Norfolk...

DE Zach Wagenmann of Montana had begun to create some strong interest among a few teams but broke his foot recently during a private workout...

William & Mary WR Tre McBride may sneak into the third round...

Cole Manhart has intriguing athleticism for a big guy yet several scouts have noted that he seems to lack functional strength in his drills, exercises...

WR Jake Kumerow, who's got NFL bloodlines, may have gone to too small a school and looks like a late physical bloomer who will need development time to catch up to his peers...

QB Bryan Bennett may have made a poor choice in his transferred college and may have too large a development gap to catch on to an NFL team; his best shot may be a Jeff Garcia route and gain development via the CFL...

TE Mycole Pruitt is really more of an H-Back like that of former Vikings HB Jimmy Kleinsasser, but will benefit from a very shallow TE class this draft season and go higher than he should to a TE-needy NFL club...

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Kendricks is head and shoulders above Dawson in athleticism; Kendricks would definitely be limited to a 4-3 base and for that reason I feel he's NOT a first round selection unless his new team is willing to limit their options...

Dawson seems to have slightly better instincts and has a nastier edge, hitting ability; however, he's really struggled in pass coverage drills and may not have the size to survive in a 3-4 base...

But the game has changed in the last five years to an unencumbered passing league with way more plays facing the pass and so Kendricks should have a significant advantage and be taken way before Dawson...

And so that's why I'd like the Saints to take...

Stephone Anthony

Anthony could play in both base fronts...

Also impressive is that Anthony joined Vic Beasley in enlisting Tony Villani of XPE Sports to take charge of their respective careers and both had these remarkable runs of progression leading to the draft...

Anthony has shown the knack for "laying the wood" in his film; measures out with prototypical size/weight; and really showed progression and 'coachable' traits which were supposed negatives in his scouting profile before the senior bowl - Anthony has got the higher ceiling...

I'd be willing to spend pick 31 on Anthony or trade that pick back into the top five picks in the second, but still take Anthony...

I think the success of this draft and keep it from being another wasted opportunity will be predicated on getting Vic Beasley with our first pick...

But getting Anthony will lock this draft down as a success...

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 650873)

Papz has a nose for ILB, he has picked more than a few good ones over the years. wish he would chime in if he has had the time to look them over.

Other than La'el Collins, Papz been very, very quiet on the draft front...

I'd be really curious who he'd like as an ILB as well...

Is he out hunting wabbit?!?

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Two other guys 'lurking out there' who could be real steals at ILB are Michigan State ILB Taiwan Jones who I think is worthy of a third round pick and could be taken there in thin 3-4 ILB draft class...

Also, though primarily an OLB, Tennessee at Chattanooga's Davis Tull offerst the versatility trait NFL teams crave and he could thrive in as 3-4 base ILB and be taken in the mid-rounds (3-4-5) because of that versatility; Tull is a small-school Clay Matthews type...

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Trae Waynes, Arik Armstead among overrated prospects - 2015 NFL draft

Disclosure: Written by Mike Renner, Pro Football Focus

1. Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State

2. Arik Armstead, DE, Oregon

3. Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa

4. Bud Dupree, LB, Kentucky

5. Devin Funchess, WR/TE, Michigan

6. Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State

7. Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami

8. Shaq Thompson, S/LB, Washington

9. P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State

10. Benardrick McKinney, LB, Mississippi State

Note: It's worth commenting that PFF believes Scherff will be an outstanding interior lineman, guard, but that he's got a very poor skill set on the edge as a Tackle...

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Tyler Lockett among underrated prospects - 2015 NFL Draft

Disclosure: Written by Gordon McGuinness, Pro Football Focus

1. Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State

2. Henry Anderson, DL, Stanford

3. Trey Flowers, DE, Arkansas

4. Grady Jarrett, DT, Clemson

5. Troy Hill, CB, Oregon

6. Tony Lippett, WR, Michigan State

7. Stephone Anthony, LB, Clemson

8. Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin

9. James Sample, S, Louisville

10. Christian Ringo, DT, Louisiana-Lafayette

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Trey Flowers is interesting. Might very well end up being a steal. I like this guy.