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yep round 2

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Might have to trade up in the 2nd round to make sure we get Anthony... Unless we feel like the 31st pick isn't too much of a stretch for him. I really want the guy.

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Keep running the mock draft, scenarios and Beasley keeps falling to the Falcons...

This draft, Two things really need to happen...

First, we have to be sure to move in front of Atlanta if Vic Beasley falls past the third spot without overpaying (i.e. don't trade 13 and 31 for the 4 or the 5)...

Second. we have to make sure we make no less than three (3) selections in the first fifty (50) picks...

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Funny you say that, using the Trade Value Chart, see

2014 NFL Draft Trade Value Chart

And crunching the numbers...

First, DraftTek has a problem with their chart in that there's not enough point value between the 32nd pick (last pick of the first round) and the 33rd pick (first pick of the second round) because the first round picks, per the current CBA, can have a club option extra year added onto their contracts favorable to retaining a key player for a team favorable cap number...

Secondly, we may be able to advance the 13 pick with a trade partner that would allow us to move back the 31st pick in exchange for an early second round pick and doing the same with our second round 12 pick for an early third round pick, the trade partner would gain siginficant ground by gaining an add'l 1st round pick and advancing their third round pick to a early-mid second round pick...

Just spitballing...

Still like the idea of huddling with the Redskins and redoing a contract for Galette to get us a favorable cap number this season (not that it matters now with the ideal free agents gone) and moving him and the 13th pick in exchange for the 5th pick...

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move up to Washington pick would cost us both 1s and Jr correct? that is how i see it. but i think they would want one of our OG more. anyways that is too high a price in my opinion based on teams needs IMO.

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No, I was saying a swap of pick no. 13 and Galette for the no. 5 pick, no extra picks...

I mentioned also trading our picks 13 and 31 for for the 5th and their early second pick...

They need a pass 4-3 pass rusher that's under contract and Galette definitely has value there as he's a proven commodity and they'll know that has weight...

Junior is a poor fit for what we're trying to do scheme-wise...

Either way, we need to move Grubbs and get a younger, effective left guard...

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I wouldn't be mad at all if we drafted this guy at #13

Profile of Iowa's Brandon Scherff, NFL draft's top offensive lineman | The MMQB with Peter King

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If Beasley is gone, that's who i want at 13

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I think he could be a better rookie starter at G than what Jahri Evans was and he was pretty darn good which would let us cut either guard and free up a huge bit of cap. He might be a good RT too.

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wrong thread

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All this attention to defense you KNOW Sean Payton is going offense early...


Check this kid out. Breashad Perrmian.

Breshad Perriman | Draft Breakdown

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Coach would have to be put in a straight jacket...

Some have mocked Perriman to the Ravens as high as the first round...

His dad Brett Perriman, wide receiver, played for the Saints (1988–1990) and was Jim Mora's dream pick and later considered a bust/disappointment out of the U (Miami, FL)...

Breshad Perriman's greatest traits are his impressive catch radius and his size/how he uses it...

After Interior Lineman Ali Marpet, Hobart and Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana, sure, I'd take Perriman with our third round pick; but he won't be there...

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Brian Baldinger mock... Not bad I could live with it, would prefer Scherff but I'd be content.

2015 NFL Mock Drafts : Mock draft 1.0: Marcus Mariota drops to Browns

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If Mariota is there between 8-10 i could really see us moving up for him.
Dont mind them picks for us though

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Some interesting prospect around the back end of the first round.

Not really looked alot at some of these players due to them not being top 15 picks and probably gone by our second rounder.

Thoughts on any of these

DTARIK ARMSTEAD
OREGON PAC-12

COMBINE RESULTS
40 -5.10 SEC
Bench - 24 REPS
Vert - 34.0 INCH
Broad - 117.0 INCH
3 cone - 7.57 SEC
Shuttle - 4.53 SEC


6'7" HEIGHT
33" ARM LENGTH
292LBS. WEIGHT
10 1/2" HANDS

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Improved by leaps and bounds from 2013 to 2014. Elite size with ability to add more bulk to his frame. Quick-twitch athlete. Explodes upfield into blockers with good pad level and hip snap, gaining instant leverage against the run and often jarring them into the backfield. Gets good arm extension to control offensive linemen and peppers them with powerful hands. Can unlock quickly from blocks. Has above-average tackle radius thanks to his length and quickness.

WEAKNESSES
Power-based pass rush with very little production to show for it over his time at Oregon. Plays tall as pass rusher and doesn't use his hands to gain consistent advantages. Has no reliable counter moves when rush stalls. Gets caught up in whipping man in front of him rather than making the ball carrier his focus. Will win against an offensive lineman, but doesn't put himself into position to finish.

SOURCES TELL US
"I see the power in his hands and all of his tools, but I don't see the production or the consistent push that I feel like I should see from him. He could end up being a monster, but you have to understand that what you get right now is just a big athlete with some upside." -- Pac-12 area scout

NFL COMPARISON Calais Campbell

BOTTOM LINE
Projection-based prospect with elite size and the traits to become a dominant run-stuffing defensive end in an odd front. Armstead has the explosiveness off the snap and in his jarring punch to gain early advantages and control offensive linemen. Armstead is a fast riser but is still very raw. He will need patience and coaching and must become a more effective pass rusher at some point.



Remember at the end of this coming season both Cam and Hicks are out of contract

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NT JORDAN PHILLIPS
OKLAHOMA BIG 12

6'5" HEIGHT
34 3/4"ARM LENGTH
329LBS. WEIGHT
9 3/8" HANDS

40 5.17 SEC
bench 28 REPS
vert 30.0 INCH
broad 105.0 INCH
3 cone 7.88 SEC
shuttle 4.68 SEC

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Massive frame with long arms. Athletic lower body for a man his size. Read-and-react two-gap nose with ability to eat space and free linebackers. Uses length effectively and was able to split double teams as season wore on. Swim move for quick wins and trips into backfield when Sooners let him penetrate. Athletic with nimble feet and pursuit speed of a man much lighter. Should be able to carry additional muscle and girth.

WEAKNESSES
Scouts consider him a flash player who can dominate a game but will disappear during stretches. Needs to play with better knee bend and lower pad level. Loses some leverage and becomes top-heavy wrestler at times. Not effective as pass rusher. Stalls out early and settles for looking to bat down passes. Doesn't crank up a consistent bull rush. Consistency of motor could be improved.

SOURCES TELL US "He has the body type and length to play in a 3-4 or 4-3 front, but there is no reason to move him from the nose. If he gets that motor going, he could be a dominant pro." -- AFC North scout

NFL COMPARISON Terrance Knighton

BOTTOM LINE Nose tackle with desired height, weight and speed. Flashes talent necessary to project a ceiling as a dominant run stuffer best suited for a 3-4 defense. Phillips' ability to eat up blocks should help him earn a high grade, but it's his potential as a big athlete with above-average range for the position that could turn him into a Pro Bowl nose.



We need to get a big man to anchor this defensive front.
Bunkley time must be running short and though Jenkins showed flashes he had a rep out of college as lazy(if i remember correct) and he is prone too putting on weight. We need a rotation to keep the big guys fresh either way

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OT ERECK FLOWERS
MIAMI ACC


40 5.31 SEC
bench 37 REPS


6'6" HEIGHT
34 1/2" ARM LENGTH
329LBS. WEIGHT
9 7/8" HANDS

OVERVIEW
As a junior in 2014, started all but one game at left tackle and was second-team All-ACC selection. Flowers suffered a knee injury in the middle of the season and reportedly underwent a surgical procedure to repair the injury but missed only one game because of it. Admonished for using an obscene gesture toward Nebraska fans after an on-field skirmish. In 2013, started all 13 games at left tackle. In 2012, started four games as a freshman at right tackle. Ranked as a four-star prospect by Scout and Rivals coming out of Miami Norland High School. Helped lead team to a 15-0 record and Class 5A state championship. Was the only player at the NFL Scouting Combine who decided not to hire an agent.

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Big, athletic frame carrying more than 320 pounds with ease. Ascending mauler in the run game. Bender who is low man off snap and pops hips into block to leverage defender at the point. Combines hips, arm extension and upper-body power to consistently turn his man when base blocking. Once he gets upper hand in run game, he usually sustains and finishes. Secures combo block with a vengeance. Has feet to become solid zone blocker. Mean and highly competitive. Wants to dominate and gets surly when beaten on a snap. Special foot quickness in pass protection. Able to mirror and counter two-way rushers or B-gap blitzers. Uses quick feet and loose hips to turn, scramble and recover when beaten. Pass-set depth and technique improved as year progressed. Has played both tackle positions.

WEAKNESSES
Pass protection needs plenty of work. Footwork gets sloppy
and undisciplined, causing base to narrow. Ducks head into contact and is a leaner in pass pro, creating balance problems. Rarely flat-footed upon initial hand contact. Throws hands rather than firing authoritative punch. Hands ride too high and too wide. Content to become grabby around framework of defender. Flagged for six holding penalties over last two seasons. Slow to secure and climb on combo blocks and is often lacking balance on the way to target. Doesn't bring feet under him to sustain second-level blocks. Knocked off balance by smaller pass rushers due to poor balance. Hips looked tight and struggled to gain ground when asked to pass set in combine drills.

NFL COMPARISON Anthony Davis

BOTTOM LINE
While they have different body types, Flowers will have some of the same strengths and flaws 2014 first-round pick Greg Robinson had coming in. Flowers has the size, feet and talent to be a very good left tackle but he will be a work in progress unless he can eliminate some of the balance issues that could plague him.


We need to start looking for depth and a eventual replacement for Strief
This guy looks like he could be a monster in the run game and with a bit of mentoring a good allround ROT

Love the bit in the Florida game(around 1:35) he is straight in there when it looked like somebody was going to stay on his RB on the ground. Just ready to stop any cheap shots. The next play is nice too,looks like he takes a quick hit to his right and then straight upfield pushing one defender then onto another opening space

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I would rather Brandon Scherff and Perryman at 31.

Although I could live with Baldingers mock too.

and no way Mariota makes it to 12. Someone will jump into the top 10 to get him if he doesn't go in the top 5.

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 645796) I would rather Brandon Scherff and Perryman at 31.

Scherff at 13? ben grubbs? who's that?

Perryman at 31? i still can not get on this band wagon for a 34 defense. if iam going small and athelic at 31 it would be Eric Kendricks. even then i worry about a 3 man front but he is all about instincts plan and simple

mine have not changed
Benardrick McKinney - field general.
Jake Fisher - #3 OT - polished swing man, ready go right out of the box
Kevin Johnson - #3 CB - dependable, steady no hype. ready to go
Stephone Anthony - #2 ILB - talk about a sky rocket off season

then you have what i think is the biggest tease in the draft. i can see why we would make such a pick. tease is just too tempting not to go for it

Arik Armstead - freak show crown of 2015

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 645796) Although I could live with Baldingers mock too.

DeVante Parker - true #1 WR. hands and a route tree already to go
Kevin White - #2 rout tree? i do not see one
Amari Cooper - #1/slot i think he will be one of the best slot WR the NFL
so i can live with Parker - Red flag foot injury. they come back to haunt you.

Thus Cooper is the only one of the three i would go after.

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 645796) and no way Mariota makes it to 12. Someone will jump into the top 10 to get him if he doesn't go in the top 5.

gets past the brownies? hell the phone will be ringing off the hook. let the bidding war begin. trade down for players and picks in a heart beat.

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ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Former tight end who moves easily and naturally. Good initial quickness to reach cross-face blocks. Finisher in zone game. Can sustain blocks with proper hip roll and balance through contact. Keeps base wide and uses choppy, controlled steps in pass sets. Mirrors well and has feet to shut down stunts inside. Well-timed and effortless transition from initial block to second-level assignment. Adjusts with good change of direction. Fights back with resolution after losing a rep to defender. Understands how to create leverage advantages with angles and footwork.

WEAKNESSES
One of the most penalized tackles in 2015 draft class over last two seasons, including six holding calls during 2014 season. Needs angles to get consistent push in run game. Lacks power. Allows outside hand to get wide in pass pro, opening himself up to bull rush. Catches pass rusher rather than punching. Not much pop in his hands. Inconsistent feet as a run blocker, slowing feet at contact against power. Missed part of 2014 with a leg injury. Needs weight-room work to add more bulk to his frame. Needs to improve his contact balance against power.

BOTTOM LINE
If you are a zone-based team looking for an athletic, well-schooled tackle who can come in and compete for a starting position right away, then Fisher is your guy. He has the feet to play the left side and is savvy enough in the run game to man the right side. He needs more weight on his frame, but guard is also an option for Fisher.


Sounds interesting
Some issues and good points in bold

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I like him but a little woried about him being Small in a big mans division
also

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Burly, stout, old-school linebacker build. Wants to hit and brings his pads with him when he delivers a blow. Delivers a jarring punch into oncoming offensive linemen on second level. Defends his area of turf and sees past blockers, keeping his eye trained on the play. Is able to disengage and shed blockers. Plays low and with leverage. Once he diagnoses, can trigger into gaps and disrupt. Expected to be productive special-teams player at the next level.

WEAKNESSES Not a twitchy athlete. Takes time to gear up after changing directions and can struggle to tackle jitterbug runners in space. Heavy-legged mover in space and struggles to make plays outside of his assigned area. Lacks coverage traits and is a liability in man coverage. . Short levers won't allow him to leverage blockers as a pass rusher. Slow to get off his spot and burst laterally, which causes him to miss some tackle opportunities.

SOURCES TELL US "He's physical and plays angry at the point of attack. He's the type of guy you like having on your team because he brings toughness to practice. He's going to lay the wood to ball carriers when he gets a chance but college teams were already finding ways to go after him in the passing game." -- AFC East regional scout

"I have a little higher grade on Perryman than I probably should, but we like thumpers and badasses inside and he's both." -- AFC director of scouting

NFL COMPARISON D'Qwell Jackson

BOTTOM LINE Early down linebacker who can make plays against the run but will struggle if isolated in coverage. Perryman is a lunch-pail worker who enjoys the physical part of the game. Can be a highly productive NFL player but ceiling looks to be limited.

Really not sure what to think here to be honest,like him and what he brings but are we looking at another Lofton

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There is something there isnt there
We are due to loose all three of our DE at the end of the season and if we are staying 3-4 we need rotation there at least. I have a feeling we go back to 4-3 though,not sure why. I can see Ryan going unless we are a top 5 defense and i can see Allen pushing a 4-3.

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i love this kids game. remember who he was blocking for too and that system. Afriend on the west coasted pointed out over 50% of those holds were on scrambles. that and a bulk of the holds were not his assignment. When he went down for a few games that duck OL was serving up sacks like there was no tomorrow.

in no way do i believe he is an OT that should go in the first. second sure. third round he was a steal. but everyone now see the huge drop off after the top 2 OT come of the board. Potential and hype have nothing to do with fisher really. he needs some work but he is light years ahead of Clemmings and Flower. closest OT to him is Peat IMO and i would still take Fisher over Peat.

you have a high floor and with coaching and weight room work you have an extremely safe pick that is a huge upgrade depth wise as soon as the pick is made. the talent is there to take over as a starter down the road in a year or two at the latest.

he is the best swing OT in the draft.

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I'm not saying I wouldn't want him in the black & gold, but some of those things jump out at me. With the emphasis on calling the "hands to the face" penalties on both sides of the lines - I fear that someone as tall as him and raw would receive quite a few flags for that infringement. Also, I'm not sure if using a 1st rounder to get a 20 year old with a lot of "upside" is the way to go with the way the Saints' coaching staff has been unable to really develop any of the high "upside" players of the past, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

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he is a freak. a tease. a pick that could make you giggle and act like a little school boy for a short time then one day you wake up and regret for the rest of your life that you ever went there in there first place. memories we all have :rolleyes:

that or it gets sweeter over time like a fine wine and we all know how rare that is;)

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True, and I'm intrigued by him all right. I just believe that all 1st rounders should be ready to start right away - at least in theory - and I don't think anyone can say that about this kid.

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actually listing to to pats talk shows here in NE. if there is a LB or more importantly a CB we like we better pick them because odds are the pats will.

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The Saints do have plenty of picks this year - at least at the moment, but who knows - so they could make a couple of those high risk vs high reward type of picks, but hopefully not with the 1st and/or 2nd rounders.

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tonight my annual get drunk :cheers:trade and draft party. so i will solve everything by morning:p

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Lord, It's Me Again...

Pick Pos Name, Alma Mater, Height, Weight

Pick No. 013 (R1, 13) LB Vic Beasley, Clemson, 6' 3", 246 lbs.

Pick No. 031 (R1, 31) DT Carl Davis, Iowa; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 320 lbs. (Via Seattle)

Pick No. 044 (R2, 12) LB Stephone Anthony, Clemson, 6' 2⅜", 243 lbs.

Pick No. 075 (R3, 11) LB Taiwan Jones, Michigan St, 6' 3", 245 lbs.

Pick No. 078 (R3, 14) OL Ali Marpet, Hobart, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (Via Miami)

Pick No. 109 (R4, 13) (Traded to Seattle)

Pick No. 140 (R5, 12) TE Blake Bell, Oklahoma, 6' 6", 252 lbs.

Pick No. 146 (R5, 18) OL Max Garcia, Florida, 6' 4", 309 lbs. (Via Kansas City)

Pick No. 171 (R6, 11) OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 5", 320 lbs.

Pick 205 (R7, 13) OL Mark Glowinski, West Virginia, 6' 4", 307 lbs.



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Fanspeak
I'd be over the moon with this
Thiugh i consider a guard in 3rd

13: R1/P13
DE SHANE RAY
MISSOURI

31: R1/P31
WR DEVANTE PARKER
LOUISVILLE

44: R2/P12
ILB DENZEL PERRYMAN
MIAMI

75: R3/P11
TE CLIVE WALFORD
MIAMI

78: R3/P14
DT CARL DAVIS
IOWA

140: R5/P12
CB LORENZO DOSS
TULANE

146: R5/P18
ILB TAIWAN JONES
MICHIGAN STATE

171: R6/P11
OT TYRUS THOMPSON
OKLAHOMA

205: R7/P13
QB SEAN MANNION
OREGON STATE

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Let the other kids (teams) draft Shane Ray, Gregory, and Dupree...

Won't no part of 'tweeners'...

Payton got his WR last year, let that **** rest...

Besides, there are plenty of good WR that could be found in mid rounds to augment what we have...

Further, we're never gonna develop any WR if we don't get guys like Toon, Coleman, and Jones some reps/touches on the field...

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^^^ This.

To think the Saints would reach for another WR with the first pick is baffling.
At some point, Toon and Coleman must step up.

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first pick no need to reach i agree

still have cook as a toy for now. SP needs to start using him as a WR

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All this plenty of great receivers late. We have enough late round prospects on the roster. There is a reason most of these guys either went late or were UDFA. They either have size or speed not a combination of both.

Now im not saying getting a WR early is a must but we have lost around 2000 of our roughly 5000 receiving yards.

Call me strange but i dont fancy pinning my hopes on a small slot receiver and a ageing/banged uo receiver. Nick Toon has 21 career reception and this is his 4th season and he will be 27 during the season.

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I am currently looking up WR highlights from last season(well almost) and I have one that I just saw that is not slated to go in the first. In fact there is a lot to possibly like about him too.

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You gonna tell us who?!

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Often the differences in a first round pick and a fourth round pick is where a player is on the development spectrum...

You're truly elite talent is among the first five to fifteen picks, depending on that year's draft's bumper crop...

Many of us have posted that we noticed Brees was "forcing the ball to Graham"...

You think that Payton hadn't noticed that as well?!?

Graham is such a big target to throw that Brees was not using his Payton-coached skills of checking down to the other receiving options...

If we can see this on rebroadcasts on NFLN, Payton surely can with the computer-aided game film that his full-time production staff can produce...

That software/game interface probably comes with Madden-script overlay and maybe even that 360° GoPano views...

Anyways crunching numbers to production, having only one ball per play from scrimmage, something had to give as talent had to be spread across the field on both sides of the ball...

But to change course mid-stream and spend a high pick on another offensive player (exception Scherff, Line of Scrimmage) after having sacrificed two players, one of which is likely to end up in the Hall of Fame, in the name of improving the defense is, well, self-defeating...

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Im not saying get a Dez Bryant and force the ball but we need something to worry teams wide imo. I haven't watched the late pick WR this year but i dont see many that carry that size/speed combination. Hey many we can find a Anquan Bolden somewhere in the mid to late rounds that can win contested balls and keep the field spread.