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ChrisXVI 04-14-2015 12:54 PM

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I'm not saying Gregory should be burned at the stake or anything. It was just dumb... Especially for a guy who has shown he makes very poor decisions. I thought it was a fake Twitter account at first because I thought there was no way this guy who is already being scrutinized would put himself out there like that.

halloween 65 04-14-2015 01:09 PM

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I don't want Gregory unless it would be at around pick #44. The guy has all the talent to rush but not worth taking a chance on at 13 in my opionion.

lee909 04-14-2015 01:13 PM

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|Mitch| 04-14-2015 01:14 PM

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I don't think it was dumb, it had to be on a visit and he made a joke about the after visit nighttime activities... No big deal

jeanpierre 04-14-2015 05:57 PM

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Really, Really, Hope Atlanta takes Gregory...

Danno 04-14-2015 06:12 PM

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I doubt we touch him at 13, but I could see it at 31.

I think that's what the visit was all about to start with.

K Major 04-14-2015 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 649929)
I'm not saying Gregory should be burned at the stake or anything. It was just dumb... Especially for a guy who has shown he makes very poor decisions. I thought it was a fake Twitter account at first because I thought there was no way this guy who is already being scrutinized would put himself out there like that.

It was probably the blunt talking :p.

Guess he thought he was on vacation and not a business trip.

SMDH.

halloween 65 04-14-2015 09:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 649973)
It was probably the blunt talking :p.

Guess he thought he was on vacation and not a business trip.

SMDH.

Thats what I think also. Drafting him might be a nightmare waiting to happen. I would pass.

jeanpierre 04-14-2015 09:53 PM

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Considering Junior Galette's recent foray, and subsequent failure, into mass media via Twitter, I think we can take the placard named "Gregory" from the Saints board...

TwistedTiger 04-14-2015 10:45 PM

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Next.....

RaginCajun83 04-14-2015 11:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 649930)
I don't want Gregory unless it would be at around pick #44. The guy has all the talent to rush but not worth taking a chance on at 13 in my opionion.

44 might even be to high to select him

halloween 65 04-15-2015 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 650002)
44 might even be to high to select him

You may be right!!

blackangold 04-15-2015 08:00 AM

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Randy Gregory=Khiry Fort

lee909 04-15-2015 08:08 AM

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Thats ridiculous
Gregory has been touted as a top 10 pick for ages.

|Mitch| 04-15-2015 02:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 650020)
Thats ridiculous
Gregory has been touted as a top 10 pick for ages.

I honestly don't see him falling past the Falcons, even with his issues...

RaginCajun83 04-15-2015 02:24 PM

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Oh I hope they are that dumb

jeanpierre 04-16-2015 08:06 PM

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We're less than two weeks away now...

Geez I love the Saints, the NFL draft, BG online discussion...

But damn I need it to get here so I can get my head back into fantasy baseball...

;)

and work too...

jeanpierre 04-17-2015 12:15 AM

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My All-In Mock Draft (Updated)

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/premi...t.php?d=breyuk

Staying with my plan to move up in the top ten (10) with the best, most viable trade partner, Oakland; at they're only twelve (12) true first rounders...

Pick Pos Name, Alma Mater, Height, Weight

Pick No. 004 (R1, 04) LB Vic Beasley, Clemson, 6' 3", 246 lbs. (Via Oakland) *1

Other than Scherff, this is the only player in the top 5-10 to truly have the biggest impact on our team; he's gets the edge over Scherff as there is only one question mark on the offensive line, Lelito, at this point and the defense performance demands this pick...

Pick No. 013 (R1, 13) (Traded Oakland) *1

Pick No. 031 (R1, 31) LB Stephone Anthony, Clemson, 6' 2⅜", 243 lbs. (Via Seattle) *2

Move Anthony up to this pick as I don't think he goes through the gambit of another round of JAX, CHI, ATL, CLE without getting selected; this defense is in more dire need of an ILB as much as an OLB and Hawthorne has shown he's not the answer regardless of whether Ellerbe can have an impact...

Pick No. 044 (R2, 12) WR Phillip Dorsett, Miami (FL), 5' 10", 185 lbs.

Amazing Speed and Excellent Tracking Skills while ball is in the air; don't want to deny coach his fun. But Damn, One...ONE DROP the entire season; just can't get that stat out of m head...

Pick No. 075 (R3, 11) OG Ali Marpet, Georgia, 6' 4", 307 lbs.

Coach said he wanted highly motivated individuals - well this guy through Hobart on his chest and wore it proudly and has improved, showing progression through this entire draft process - Senior Bowl, Combine, Interviews; he may not fall this fall, but maybe teams get scared of the small school, level of competition factory like they did with Armstead and he falls ten spots to us...

Pick No. 078 (R3, 14) OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin, 6' 7", 321 lbs. (Via Miami) *3

Very much in the mould of Zach Strief; though he had poor measurables, they showed significant improvement between combine and pro-day; excellent candidate to tutelage behind Strief and could be ready by year three when Strief's contract expires; excellent depth regardless; he plays with great functional strength and his Bench Press improvement shows he can get it done in the weight room...

Pick No. 102 (R4, 03) DE Corey Crawford, Clemson, 6' 5", 299 lbs. (Via Oakland) *1

Okay, three picks from Clemson?!? I don't care if they all came from the same household; these guys can play; Crawford has excellent size and speed and is getting overlooked because of the awesome talent that's already there; plus, he could come in and offer excellent leverage should the inconsistent Cam Jordan get unreasonable in his contract demands; bottom line this guy can play...

Pick No. 112 (R4, 13) (Traded to Seattle) *2

Pick No. 148 (R5, 12) TE Blake Bell, Oklahoma, 6' 6", 252 lbs.

Like another kid that once played TE for the Saints, he's a big body with a small sample size, but it's impressive; former QB developing quickly into a red zone threat who could more than offer a rather large bucket to throw for our QB to score in the end zone...

Pick No. 154 (R5, 18) (Via Kansas City, Traded to Oakland) *4, *1

Pick No. 187 (R6, 11) CB Lorenzo Doss, Tulane; 5’ 10”, 182 lbs

His measurables have started to improve recently; but when you go back and look and his play on the field, what really stands out; he doesn't just defend, he's got a great set of hands and he'll actually INTERCEPT the ball; they're all these great defenders that can't seem to do that; and I wouldn't discount Coach Curtis Johnson ability to get in the ear of his former mentor Coach Payton...

Pick No. 230 (R7, 13) NT Deon Simon, Northwestern St (LA); 6’ 4⅜”, 321 lbs.

Great big, raw body that with the right coaching would be the steal of the draft; Bill Belichick, who knows a thing or two about defensive linemen, even sat in and participated in his combine interview. Bunkley's last season and to jumpstart another candidate for the NT rotation with Jenkins, we don't have to go far for this in-state product...

*1 Mock Trade - NO sends Picks 013 (R1, 13), 154 (R5, 18), & Future 1st round pick (or Gallette or Vaccaro or Jordan) to OAK for Pick 004 (R1, 04), 102 (R4, 03).

*2 Graham Trade - NO sends All-Pro TE Jimmy Graham and Pick 112 (R4, 13) to SEA for All-Pro C Max Unger and Pick 031 (R1, 31)

*3 Stills Trade - NO sends WR Kenny Stills to MIA for LB Dannell Ellerbe and Pick 078 (R3, 14)

*4 Grubbs Trade - NO sends LG Ben Grubbs to KC for Pick 154 (R5, 18).

Alternate Selections/Priority Free Agents:

TE Brian Parker, Albany, 6' 4", 260 lbs.
WR Jake Kumerow, Wisconsin-Whitewater; 6' 4½", 208 lbs.
LB Tony Washington, Oregon, 6' 4", 245 lbs.
OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 4", 325 lbs.
DL Olsen Pierre, Miami (FL), 6' 4", 300 lbs.

jeanpierre 04-18-2015 03:39 PM

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Really loved to know why Scouts, Inc doesn't have as much Vic Beasley love as the rest of the known NFL world...

hagan714 04-18-2015 04:00 PM

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Hokie Gajan's 2015 Mock Draft

13 Saints La'El Collins
31 Saints Cedric Ogbuehi
WWL - AM870 | FM105.3 | News | Talk | Sports - Hokie Gajan's 2015 Mock Draft

man after my own heart. Cedric is ok still a fan of Jake Fisher especially given he will not be rushed on the field. spot duty and training is what he needs.

but i love an x FB going OL who would have thunk it?

jeanpierre 04-19-2015 11:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 650367)
Hokie Gajan's 2015 Mock Draft

13 Saints La'El Collins
31 Saints Cedric Ogbuehi
WWL - AM870 | FM105.3 | News | Talk | Sports - Hokie Gajan's 2015 Mock Draft

man after my own heart. Cedric is ok still a fan of Jake Fisher especially given he will not be rushed on the field. spot duty and training is what he needs.

but i love an x FB going OL who would have thunk it?

Way too high for Cedric...

Not a big fan of taking Collins at No. 13 - I'd rather move and take him at the back half of the draft and let another team reach...

jeanpierre 04-19-2015 01:34 PM

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Mel Kiper Jr. makes picks as the GM of every NFL team -- 2015 NFL draft

Kiper has us taking Gregory at No. 13, allowing Beasley to fall to Houston at No. 16; plus, he's got us taking Tre Jackson in the second round, allowing Stephone Anthony to Kansas City...

If this happened, I think my head and heart would just simultaneously explode...

ChrisXVI 04-19-2015 01:59 PM

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It's interesting to look back at Kiper's final mock draft from last year:

1. Houston - Jadeveon Clowney
2. St. Louis - from Washington - Greg Robinson
3. Jacksonville - Khalil Mack
4. Cleveland - Sammy Watkins
5. Oakland - Mike Evans
6. Atlanta - Jake Matthews
7. Tampa Bay - Johnny Manziel
8. Minnesota - Aaron Donald
9. Buffalo - Taylor Lewan
10. Detroit - Justin Gilbert
11. Tennessee - Anthony Barr
12. New York Giants - Zack Martin
13. St. Louis - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
14. Chicago - Kyle Fuller
15. Pittsburgh - Darqueze Dennard
16. Dallas - Ryan Shazier
17. Baltimore - Eric Ebron
18. New York Jets - Odell Beckham Jr.
19. Miami - Ja'Wuan James
20. Arizona - Blake Bortles
21. Green Bay - C.J. Mosley
22. Philadelphia - Brandin Cooks
23. Kansas City - Marqise Lee
24. Cincinnati - Bradley Roby
25. San Diego - Stan Jean-Baptiste
26. Cleveland - Teddy Bridgewater
27. New Orleans - Kyle Van Noy
28. Carolina - Joel Bitonio
29. New England - Calvin Pryor
30. San Francisco - Cody Latimer
31. Denver - Jason Verrett
32. Seattle - Morgan Moses

Only what... 4 for 32? About 12.5% accurate. That's actually pretty good for a mock draft but still, what these guys say never really happens.

blackangold 04-19-2015 04:50 PM

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Wow... he had sjb going in the first... crazy...

ChrisXVI 04-19-2015 05:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 650415)
Wow... he had sjb going in the first... crazy...

So did his cohort Todd McShay... Here's his final mock draft from last year (He also only hit on 4 out of 32):

1. Houston - Jadeveon Clowney
2. St. Louis - from Washington - Greg Robinson
3. Jacksonville - Khalil Mack
4. Cleveland - Sammy Watkins
5. Oakland - Mike Evans
6. Atlanta - Jake Matthews
7. Tampa Bay - Aaron Donald
8. Minnesota - Justin Gilbert
9. Buffalo - Taylor Lewan
10. Detroit - Darqueze Dennard
11. Tennessee - Blake Bortles
12. New York Giants - Eric Ebron
13. St. Louis - Zack Martin
14. Chicago - Calvin Pryor
15. Pittsburgh - Kyle Fuller
16. Dallas - Johnny Manziel
17. Baltimore - C.J. Mosley
18. New York Jets - Brandin Cooks
19. Miami - Cyrus Kouandjio
20. Arizona - Ryan Shazier
21. Green Bay - Marqise Lee
22. Philadelphia - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
23. Kansas City - Xavier Su'a-Filo
24. Cincinnati - Bradley Roby
25. San Diego - Anthony Barr
26. Cleveland - Teddy Bridgewater
27. New Orleans - Jason Verrett
28. Carolina - Morgan Moses
29. New England - Stephon Tuitt
30. San Francisco - Odell Beckham Jr.
31. Denver - Stan Jean-Baptiste
32. Seattle - Jeremiah Attaochu

What people think will happen is usually pretty far off.

jeanpierre 04-19-2015 08:14 PM

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NFL.com Bucky Brooks was partially correct that the Saints would select Brandin Cooks...

Mock Draft 5.0: Jadeveon Clowney, AJ McCarron to Texans - NFL.com

He just didn't mention that'd we move up to select him...

ChrisXVI 04-19-2015 09:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 650422)
NFL.com Bucky Brooks was partially correct that the Saints would select Brandin Cooks...

Mock Draft 5.0: Jadeveon Clowney, AJ McCarron to Texans - NFL.com

He just didn't mention that'd we move up to select him...

That's why I'm really eager to hear Mike Triplette's final prediction because last year he nailed it saying we would trade up for Brandin Cooks.

jeanpierre 04-20-2015 06:43 PM

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Depth Perception: Predicting Saints' 9 picks in 2015 draft - CBSSports.com

K Major 04-20-2015 08:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 650498)

Vic Beasley at #13? That would be special :bng:.

ChrisXVI 04-20-2015 08:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 650498)

You know what? Other than Beasley at 13 this could end up being pretty damn accurate. I don't think we wait that long to address the ILB position though... The top ILB's fall right into the range of our #31 and #44 picks.

hagan714 04-21-2015 12:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 650504)
Vic Beasley at #13? That would be special :bng:.

If we pick Vic, Jr better be out of the door ie the bears. we can not afford two OLB like this. Stout against the run is not either ones strong suite

hagan714 04-21-2015 12:37 AM

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1/31: Byron Jones, CB, Connecticut
Ok this is just as bad as picking SLB in round 2. all hype

The rest of these are so-so and would leave me unexcited by the draft yet again. once again the wait and see

jeanpierre 04-21-2015 09:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 650515)
If we pick Vic, Jr better be out of the door ie the bears. we can not afford two OLB like this. Stout against the run is not either ones strong suite

Tell ya Hagan why I've got man-crush for the Clemson boys...

Not only did they show dramatic improvement during the draft process...

But they took charge of their careers and went to the right trainers to maximize their skills...

That is as impressive to me as their respective Senior Bowl, Combine performances...

hagan714 04-21-2015 07:40 PM

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i like the clemson connection too. i fear being small on both wings big time.

draft both but Jr will need to go IMO. you need at least one OLB that can be stout against the run.

trade Jr and pick up

Vic Beasley then long shot at Alvin Dupree in round 1. longest of long shots. trade up twice in round 1? lets look at other options

Round 2 Danielle Hunter LSU might be a solid move. project as a pass rusher sure but solid against the run and above average at blocking passes. on the the flip Eli out of Virgina is the opposite. better at rushing than the rush. Danielle gets my vote. so trade back into 2

wild card developmental down the road

Round 5 Emanuel Robinson Newberry. talked about him earlier and i still come back to him. coverage skills are there to work with and solid instincts. two years down the road he maybe a steal.

Round 7 Shaq Riddick West Virgina is another. just a high motor guy with plenty of upside

i could live with
Vic Beasley - i think is a pipe dream
Stephone Anthony
Danielle Hunter

some serious wheeling and dealing to make this happen and Jr and the Bears look to be part of the picture.

jeanpierre 04-22-2015 02:57 PM

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In my draft mocks, I really like the idea of taking Clemson's Vic Beasley and protecting him with a monster at DE like Iowa's Carl Davis - that'd become one feared dynamic side of a d-line overnight...

After Davis, another guy who could lock down the end and allow Beasley to roam and wreak havoc is Stanford's Henry Anderson, 3rd-4th round...

Another Clemson alum, DE Corey Crawford would also be a good fit for the 3-4 defense and could be had in the fifth-sixth round...

Again, we don't need the d-linemen to do anything but occupy blockers and allow the OLB to seek/destroy...

ChrisXVI 04-22-2015 05:28 PM

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I read that Carl Davis came acrossed pretty bad in interviews at the Senior Bowl. Sounded like he was really lazy and openly talked about taking plays off. I haven't watched any tape of him though... What does the tape say?

halloween 65 04-22-2015 05:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 650736)
I read that Carl Davis came acrossed pretty bad in interviews at the Senior Bowl. Sounded like he was really lazy and openly talked about taking plays off. I haven't watched any tape of him though... What does the tape say?

I read the same thing. A 3 down player is needed on the nose.

jeanpierre 04-22-2015 11:24 PM

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Davis is immovable; tape confirms it...

He's not a heavy stat guy...

Misinformation is probably out there on him because teams like NE would love to grab him at the end of the first round...

Watch the film - it was very rare he wasn't double-teamed and as rare that he wasn't occupying holding up those linemen for fellow defenders to make plays...

lee909 04-23-2015 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 650743)
I read the same thing. A 3 down player is needed on the nose.

More than a single three down player its rotation imo. Keep the big guys and pass rushers fresh

lee909 04-23-2015 12:39 AM

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What do people think of Darren Waller. Looks a interesting prospect. If he was there rounds 4/5 i really consider making a move.

Darren Waller*(WR)

HT:*6'6"*
WT:*238LBS.
POSITION:*WR
SCHOOL:*Georgia Tech
ARM LENGTH:*33 1/4"
HANDS:*9"

Overview

Suspended for season-opening games in both 2013 and 2014 (suspended two games total in 2014) for violation of team rules. Invited to play in 2015 East-West Shrine Game. In 2014, started the final eight games of the season and scored a touchdown in each of his final three games, including an Orange Bowl win over Mississippi State where he finished with five catches for 114 yards. From 2011-13, made 14 starts and played in 38 games. Was a two-year team captain in high school, playing both wide receiver and defensive back.

COMBINE STATS
40 YARD DASH:*4.46 SEC
BENCH PRESS:*12 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP:*37.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP:*125.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL:*7.07 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE:*4.25 SEC
60 YARD SHUTTLE:*11.35 SEC

ANALYSIS
Strengths

Yet another Georgia Tech receiver with great length. Plays to his height. Gathers himself and boxes out defenders on fades and jump balls. Uses long arms and gets on his ladder to sky over cornerbacks and high point throws. Effortless strider with untapped vertical speed to go yard. Plus body control. Usually gets two feet in bounds on sideline throws. Plucks the ball with extended hands. Doesn't fear hits from safeties. Almost impossible to guard on back-shoulder throws. Confident and competitive when the ball is in the air.

Weaknesses

Will lose speed when turning to locate ball. Shield blocker in run game, giving very modest effort by Georgia Tech standards. Raw route runner with limited exposure to complex routes. Rounds off in-breaking and out routes. Needs improved understanding of leverage and how to create separation with it. Allows smaller cornerbacks to crowd him. Forced just two pass-interference calls over the last two seasons. Limited production and targets over career.

Draft Projection

Round 3 or 4

Bottom Line

Late bloomer who is faster than quick and has coveted size-speed combination. Waller isn't just a tall receiver, he has legitimate hands and body control and can impose his size on mismatched cornerbacks. Waller has a low floor, but with a little more competitive fire and technique work, he could become a legitimate touchdown maker in the league


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