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jeanpierre 03-15-2015 08:00 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 646008)
Im not saying get a Dez Bryant and force the ball but we need something to worry teams wide imo. I haven't watched the late pick WR this year but i dont see many that carry that size/speed combination. Hey many we can find a Anquan Bolden somewhere in the mid to late rounds that can win contested balls and keep the field spread.

Lee, when we won the Superbowl, what were our receiving options?!?

A 6' 4", averaged speed, sure-handed, large catch-radius, seventh round pick...

A 5' 9", slow, sure-handed, over-looked, rookie UDFA Cleveland Browns cast-off...

A 5' 11", fast, former regime second round in-state reach, stone-hands reclamation...

An overpaid, hung-over party clown which Loomis acquired after having been @$$-raped by the Giants GM...

And a first round pick that showed up to camp - out of shape...

What we did have were...

Two All-Pro Young Studs at Guard...

Two Next Level Athletic Tackles...

A stable of diversed-talent running backs...

Let's get a stout defense that's not described in terms of speed-bump or safety cones...

Let's get a defense that can get the ball back and move the average starting position of possession drives mid-field rather than our own 20 yard line...

jeanpierre 03-15-2015 08:02 AM

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And if you want another Jimmy Graham type, I've got one mocked in the fifth round in Blake Bell...

And with Falcon fans reading this, we'll probably have to move up to get him...

lee909 03-15-2015 08:08 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
What do you think of Clive Walford?

Miami does have a history of producing good pro TE




Sarik 03-15-2015 08:12 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 646013)
And if you want another Jimmy Graham type, I've got one mocked in the fifth round in Blake Bell...

And with Falcon fans reading this, we'll probably have to move up to get him...

While i understand your point & its valid, there is no sure handed 6'4 WR talent late or mid round. That would only be the top 6 guys maybe. That kind of stuff is rare. & Blake Bell is intriguing, but there is a reason he can be had in the 6th round...he's a project. but we're trying to get the best of Drews last few years, which isnt the same Drew we had back in '09. Its evident he's lost velocity & some of his deep ball. I was watching the Superbowl game the other day & was in awe of the zip he had back then. Good stuff. Id be just fine with an elite WR pick at 13, but at the same time be overjoyed to land a Scherff, Collins, Beasley, Fowler, etc. its whatever with me though...

jeanpierre 03-15-2015 09:05 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Jimmy Graham was a project, and was considered a HUGE reach...that worked out nicely...

We have no, none, nada, game changers on defense...

Our best defenders Keenan Lewis and Cam Jordan are really good, underrated players...

I've seen one play since both were in a Saints uniform that made me geaux "WOW" and that was Cam Jordan on that bull rush play this season; otherwise very solid, dependable players...

Let's spend those early picks on players that are going to win us the line of scrimmage, get us the ball back...

Brandon Scherff is the only guy I'd take high and that's if Beasley is off the board and we can't trade back in the first to get another TRUE 6-2+ outside linebacker (not some one-dimension pass rusher) and pick up a second, third round pick in the process...

Scherff is gonna be a guard, right tackle at best, and I really hate spending that high a pick on an interior lineman; if he was gonna take the job from Terron Armstead, that'd be different...

Plenty of talent in the mid-to-late rounds for offensive line and where I'd take them if they're there...

OL Jake Fisher, Oregon, 6' 6", 306 lbs. (R3)

OL Ali Marpet, Hobart, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (R3)

OL Max Garcia, Florida, 6' 4", 309 lbs. (R3)

OL Mitch Morse, Missouri, 6' 5", 305 lbs (R4)

OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 5", 320 lbs. (R4)

OL Jeremiah Poutasi, 6' 5", 335 lbs. (R5)

OL John Miller, Louisville, 6' 2", 303 lbs (R5)

OL Kaleb Johnson, Rutgers, 6' 4", 305 lbs (R5)

OL Austin Shepherd, Alabama, 6' 4", 315 lbs (R6)

OL Mark Glowinski, West Virginia, 6' 4", 307 lbs (R6)

OL Jake Cotton, Nebraska, 6' 6", 305 lbs (R6)

Cole Manhart, Nebraska-Kearney, 6' 3", 305 lbs (R7)

If we could get say three of these guys with our mid to late picks, we will be in good shape...

jeanpierre 03-15-2015 09:18 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 646015)
While i understand your point & its valid, there is no sure handed 6'4 WR talent late or mid round. That would only be the top 6 guys maybe. That kind of stuff is rare.


Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas, 6' 4", 214 lbs
Jordan Taylor, Rice, 6' 4", 204 lbs
Austin Hill, Arizona, 6' 2", 210 lbs*
Jake Kumerow, Wisconsin-Whitewater, 6' 5", 208 lbs.

*Scouting reports, comments that his catch radius is that of someone 6' 6"

lee909 03-15-2015 09:33 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 646022)
Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas, 6' 4", 214 lbs
Jordan Taylor, Rice, 6' 4", 204 lbs
Austin Hill, Arizona, 6' 2", 210 lbs*
Jake Kumerow, Wisconsin-Whitewater, 6' 5", 208 lbs.

*Scouting reports, comments that his catch radius is that of someone 6' 6"

Just having a quick look at scouting reports for them players.
My worry with any of these is we could easily just end up with another player who ends up on the practice squad. You can get talent late as we have all seen but there is always a reason these players are ranked were they are. Get what you need locked up in FA and early in the draft then take chances late on.


Take Colston and Ben Watson away from our TE/WR group and including Cooks everyone off them combined has Receptions 103,Yards 1162,TD 10.

Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas, 6' 4", 214 lbs

40 -4.58 SEC
bech-16 REPS
vert-33.5 INCH
broad-119.0 INCH
3 cone-7.11 SEC
20 shuttle -4.28 SEC
60 shuttle- 11.63 SEC

6'4" HEIGHT
32 1/2" ARM LENGTH
214LBS. WEIGHT
9 7/8" HANDS

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Good height and overall size. High points and uses his length. Good forward lean into routes and gets cornerbacks to open up before breaking routes off. Uses same route pace for verticals and stick routes. Long-armed hands-catcher who extends to snatch ball early and get upfield. Satisfactory speed and foot quickness for his size. Weak-armed quarterback forced him to learn to work back to the throw. Tracks the ball well over his shoulder.

WEAKNESSES
Overwhelmed smaller competition at cornerback. Level of competition will be questioned. Too reliant on length downfield and doesn't display consistent leaping ability. Allowed cornerbacks to challenge and deflect throws rather than going up over them. Ran only a few basic routes. Scouts showing some concern over toughness, noting willingness to run out of bounds rather than finishing runs after catch.

lee909 03-15-2015 09:38 AM

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Jordan Taylor, Rice, 6' 4", 204 lbs

Estimated 40 4.55

STRENGTHS
Tall target with thin build. Has intriguing "slow-burn" speed for his height. Long-strider who eats up cushion and can blow by off corners and safeties who underestimate him. Sinks hips into his breaks and can break off route quickly for a tall receiver. Played outside and from slot. Uses stride to get separation. High school quarterback who is a dangerous runner after the catch. Has 14 touchdowns over last two seasons, including from 88, 61, 41 and 75.


WEAKNESSES
Upright off snap and into his routes and needs an extended runway to build up to top speed. Thin frame and gets redirected off the line. Play strength is below par. Lack of initial foot quickness and upright posture could be a problem against aggressive press-cover corners. Had issues with focus drops early in 2014 season after foot injury. Made more challenging catches early in career.

NFL COMPARISON Tommy Streeter

BOTTOM LINE Taylor is a productive, outside-the-numbers vertical threat with an ability to sting a defense after the catch. Needs work, but is a plus athlete with great height and an ability to separate. Must prove he can get off press coverage and play stronger in order to become viable NFL receiver.

lee909 03-15-2015 09:43 AM

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Austin Hill, Arizona, 6' 2", 210 lbs



OVERVIEW
2014: Played in 14 games. Recorded 49 catches for 635 yards and four touchdowns. 2013: Missed season with a knee injury. 2012: Played in 13 games and made 12 starts. He was a semifinalist for the Biletnikoff Award (given to college football's top receiver) and an All-Pac-12 second-team selection after posting 1,364 yards receiving (second in Pac-12). 2011: Played in 10 games and started one. 2010: Redshirted.



PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.62 and 4.57 seconds
Vertical jump: 36 1/2 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, 9 inches
20-yard short shuttle: 4.03 seconds
Three-cone drill: 6.65 seconds


ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Big and physical. Plays to his size. Runs with attitude after the catch and can take weaker cornerbacks for a ride. Puts defenders on his hip and uses his body to shield them. Good chance lateral quickness improves as he continues to trust his recovery from injury. Dedicated weight-room worker. Possesses strong hands and catching the ball comes easily for him. Effective blocker who can help spring big runs. His 2012 film shows very effective play from the slot.

WEAKNESSES
Suffered ACL injury that knocked him out for all of 2013. Is noticeably slower since his injury. Still hasn't recovered to his pre-injury form. Personnel men question his vertical speed. Has to gear down to get into his breaks and is inconsistent at getting separation at the top of his route. Lacks suddenness and can be robotic as a route-runner.

NFL COMPARISON Austin Pettis

BOTTOM LINE Based on the tape, it's hard to imagine Hill will be able to run a time that will make scouts happy. However, he's a tough blocker and a reliable, big target who can block in the running game. Hill's medicals will be scrutinized, but if healthy, he could use his big frame to muscle smaller slot corners.

lee909 03-15-2015 09:51 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Found this elsewhere


Introduction

When you're a division 3 player, making an NFL roster is tough, the odds are stacked against you. You don't get the exposure and with no exposure you may not get the invite to showcase your talent, it's a harsh reality. Even FBS talent that gets drafted isn't safe from the chop when NFL teams are forced to cut their rosters down to 53. However as a D3 player, just getting an invite to camp is an uphill struggle.

However for this D3 prospect, earning a camp invite isn't going to be very difficult at all, at least if NFL scouts are doing their job. Rumour has it that at least 20 teams have scouted Jake Kumerow this year. After all, a receiver who is 6'5, 208lb's and runs a 4.5 forty is someone you're going to want to take a look at. When you consider that the receiver in question boasted a stat line of 77 receptions, 1331 yards and 19 touchdowns, he's definitely someone your scouts should be aware of.

Jake is after all a football player by blood. His dad Eric was a first round selection of the Dolphins in 1988. His uncle John Bosa was a first round selection of the Dolphins in 1987 and his cousin Joey is currently an All-American defensive end for the college football champion Ohio State Buckeyes.

From redshirting at Illinois as a walk-on, Kumerow has consistently flashed Division 1 talent at Wisconsin-Whitewater as the Warhawks navigated the season without a single loss culminating in their 2nd consecutive D3 title win against Mount Union.

I've been lucky enough to have been given some tape on Kumerow and I was extremely impressed.

Measurables

Height: 6'5

Weight: 208lb's

Class: Senior

Projected 40: 4.5

Statistics

Year Receptions Yards Touchdowns
2014 66 1116 14
2013 77 1331 19
2012 15 201 3
Positives

Elite blend of size, strength and speed that will attract many teams.
Physical aspect to his game, plays physical after the catch.
Has excellent hands, catches away from his body and doesn't snatch at the ball.
Good awareness on patterns to sit down in zone coverage.
Excellent red-zone threat who knows how to use his body to box out.
Above average release from the line, gets off quickly and into stride.
Production, missed 4 games this year and still put up over 1,000 yards and 14 TD's.
Bulked up to over 200lb's, only just revealing true potential.

Negatives

Competition, there is no way to get around it, he was facing D3 competition.
Routes - rounds off a lot, doesn't get in and out very sharply.
Technique - He is taller, stronger, faster than D3, hasn't had to work on technique.
Needs to make the most of his height, sometimes waits for the ball to come to him.

Conclusion

I'm really pleased that Kumerow is getting a little attention from the scouting circles, because frankly he deserves it. He has a lot of talent and he's grown into his frame over the course of the last two years. He really wants this and that shows up on tape. He's big, he's fast and he's a fighter. You have to like a guy who has those traits and if he isn't worth a flyer later in the draft, I don't know who is. I think he'll get drafted without a shadow of a doubt, where he gets drafted will depend on how he showcases himself in the lead-up to the NFL draft. He was very much a big fish in a very small pond, however he was playing at an elite school in D3 competition in Wisconsin-Whitewater.

I would 100% take a serious look at this man, and for a team who's desperate to unearth that big, fast, talented receiver, we need to be at the front of the line, and there will be a line.

Draft Grade: 60

90-100 = Exceptional Talent

80-90 = Impact Player

70-80 = NFL Starter

60-70 = Solid NFL Potential

50-60 = Draftable - Lot of work needed

>50 = Undraftable - Long Shot To Stick

halloween 65 03-15-2015 10:31 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 646019)
Jimmy Graham was a project, and was considered a HUGE reach...that worked out nicely...

We have no, none, nada, game changers on defense...

Our best defenders Keenan Lewis and Cam Jordan are really good, underrated players...

I've seen one play since both were in a Saints uniform that made me geaux "WOW" and that was Cam Jordan on that bull rush play this season; otherwise very solid, dependable players...

Let's spend those early picks on players that are going to win us the line of scrimmage, get us the ball back...

Brandon Scherff is the only guy I'd take high and that's if Beasley is off the board and we can't trade back in the first to get another TRUE 6-2+ outside linebacker (not some one-dimension pass rusher) and pick up a second, third round pick in the process...

Scherff is gonna be a guard, right tackle at best, and I really hate spending that high a pick on an interior lineman; if he was gonna take the job from Terron Armstead, that'd be different...

Plenty of talent in the mid-to-late rounds for offensive line and where I'd take them if they're there...

OL Jake Fisher, Oregon, 6' 6", 306 lbs. (R3)

OL Ali Marpet, Hobart, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (R3)

OL Max Garcia, Florida, 6' 4", 309 lbs. (R3)

OL Mitch Morse, Missouri, 6' 5", 305 lbs (R4)

OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 5", 320 lbs. (R4)

OL Jeremiah Poutasi, 6' 5", 335 lbs. (R5)

OL John Miller, Louisville, 6' 2", 303 lbs (R5)

OL Kaleb Johnson, Rutgers, 6' 4", 305 lbs (R5)

OL Austin Shepherd, Alabama, 6' 4", 315 lbs (R6)

OL Mark Glowinski, West Virginia, 6' 4", 307 lbs (R6)

OL Jake Cotton, Nebraska, 6' 6", 305 lbs (R6)

Cole Manhart, Nebraska-Kearney, 6' 3", 305 lbs (R7)

If we could get say three of these guys with our mid to late picks, we will be in good shape...

Garcia I could definately see. There is a lot of talent on the O-line up for grabs in this years draft. I wouldn't be mad at all to get quality depth to starter potential for our O-line. Plug and play.

lee909 03-15-2015 10:41 AM

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Not sure we need much depth at Guard unless Kelemete or Lelito get the starting job. We 100% need some depth at tackle which is why if Collins or Scherff are there i think they are a must. Take them play them inside and if one of the tackles goes down you have a man that can start at tackle while slotting Lelito or Kelemete in at guard

halloween 65 03-15-2015 10:51 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 646048)
Not sure we need much depth at Guard unless Kelemete or Lelito get the starting job. We 100% need some depth at tackle which is why if Collins or Scherff are there i think they are a must. Take them play them inside and if one of the tackles goes down you have a man that can start at tackle while slotting Lelito or Kelemete in at guard

Garcia is more of a natural C but can play G. Not sure about Kelemete yet, Lelito either as G, but I do agree we need depth at T for sure. My wild card is Evans, does he get pushed around like a rag doll or he return to form.

lee909 03-15-2015 02:10 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Just read this,pretty interesting

Brandt: Georgia Tech's Darren Waller could be 2015 draft steal

Gil Brandt
NFL Media senior analyst

There were 31 NFL teams in attendance for Georgia Tech's pro day Friday, including several wide receiver coaches. Seven players worked out indoors on Field Turf, including two players who were at the combine.

Most of the reps on hand were there to see Darren Waller. A wide receiver, Waller is a very interesting prospect not only because of his size (6-foot-6, 241 pounds), but because he runs so well. He was much faster than anyone thought he would be at the combine, where he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.46 seconds. He stood on all of his combine numbers, but he had a very good workout Friday, showing off very soft hands and catching the ball very well. This is a prospect you'll want to keep an eye on. Some NFL team just might get itself a steal.


DeAndre Smelter, who also was at the combine, has not been able to work out because of a torn ACL he suffered in November, but he measured in at 6-foot-2, 227 pounds. He has 11 1/8-inch hands and 33-inch arms. No date has been set yet for his workout.

One other player of note was Shaq Mason, who was not at the combine. Mason (6-foot-1 3/4, 304 pounds) ran the 40 in 4.97 and 5.00. He had a 32-inch vertical and a 9-foot-2 broad jump. He hda a 4.65 short shuttle and a 7.53 3-cone drill, and posted 25 bench-press reps. Mason was worked out as a center and looked solid. He's probably a late-round draft pick or a priority free agent.

jjasso007 03-15-2015 03:43 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
My most recent draft


13: BRANDON SCHERFF - OT - IOWA
-Scherff would come in and be our starting LG. Brees would have his middle of the line protection and we'll maul people in the running game

31: ERIC KENDRICKS - ILB - UCLA
-Very productive ILB at UCLA. Instinctive and fast, and good in coverage. Does he fit the 3-4 tho? Still, a definite upgrade

44: HAU'OLI KIKAHA - OLB - WASHINGTON
-all he's done over the last two seasons at Washington is record 142 tackles, 40.5TFL, 32 sacks, 5 PBU and 6 FF. We need someone to get after the QB? Here he is

75: BRESHAD PERRIMAN - WR - UCF
-tall WR with good production. Needs to clean up his route running, but he's a nice pick up in the 3rd rounds

78: IFO EKPRE-OLOMU - CB - OREGON
-was rated a first round draft pick prior to his injury. May not have ideal height (for today's NFL), but makes up for it in technique, hand-eye coordination and talent. Also good in run support

140: STEVEN NELSON - CB - OREGON STATE
-was surprised he was here in the 5th round. Taller CB who plays with a major chip on his shoulder, acting like he's the biggest guy on the field. Has 16 PBU and 8 INTs over the last two seasons. Brings added toughness to our DB core

146: XAVIER WILLIAMS - DT - NORTHERN IOWA
-high energy/motor guy, former wrestler who plays with low center of gravity and isn't moved around much. Developmental prospect but has the drive coaches love

171: TYRUS THOMPSON - OT - OKLAHOMA
-definitely need OT depth. Thompson available in the 6th seemed like a great value pick

205: JEAN SIFRIN - TE - MASSACHUSETTS
-Tall TE (6'7) who only played one year of D1 football, and is also older (27 years old). Former basketball player with great vertical and catching radius. Rarely goes down after initial hit (per scouting report). Our new TE version of Graham?

jeanpierre 03-15-2015 05:08 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Marques Colston, Hofstra, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Analysis

Positives: Has a tall, thick frame with long limbs … Physical player who excels on slants and crossing patterns, as he uses his size to shield defenders from the ball … Has enough leg drive to break tackles … Uses his hands effectively to power through the jam and his size makes it difficult for cornerbacks in attempts to reroute him or knock him off his patterns … Has the field awareness to settle in the zone's soft spot and does a good job of using his body to wall off defenders … Fearless catching in a crowd and is the type that will dish out more punishment than he gets working in traffic … Can outmaneuver smaller defenders for a jump ball … Times his leaps well to get to the ball at its high point.

Negatives: At his maximum weight for a receiver (any more bulk might dictate a move to tight end) … Will throttle down and observe the action when he is not involved in the play … Has good timed speed, but because of his long stride and inability to stay low in his pads, he can't generate the burst needed to separate on long routes … Lacks plant-and-drive agility, spending too much time rounding his cuts and gathering at the top of the route … Has had ball concentration issues that resulted in several costly fumbles … Does not have the second gear needed to separate and turn a small catch into a big gain … Needs to explode out of his cuts better and this is caused mostly when he fails to drop his route in his patterns … Has large hands, but will sometimes short arm going for the ball in a crowd or double catch (see 2005 Northeastern and Richmond games).

Colston has a tall frame with long limbs and adequate muscle definition. He added bulk during the off-season and his frame is at maximum growth potential for a receiver without losing any of his burst and quickness. Much like former Green Bay Packer Tyrone Davis and former New Orleans Saint Eddie "Boo" Williams, Colston might eventually fill out more and will then probably have to shift to tight end at the pro level.

Colston is a tough, physical receiver who relished his role as a chain-mover. He has a strong release, but needs to be more consistent generating explosion coming off the line of scrimmage. He is a bit of a long strider, but has the sudden burst to separate after the catch. Despite his excellent timed speed, he does not have good initial quickness, as he needs to build to top speed.

As a route-runner, Colston needs to refine his technique. He rounds his cuts too often and while he shows a good burst after the catch, his long stride makes him appear lazy getting into his routes. In order to be effective, he will need to explode out of his cuts better. He runs mostly slants and underneath routes and needs to recognize movement better.

Colston has the speed to elude, but prefers to power through defenders coming out of his breaks and this resulted in several costly fumbles in 2005 (see Richmond and Northeastern games). He knows how to use his size to wall off defenders and shield the ball. He has large hands and long arms to reach and pluck the ball, but most of his drops are caused by a lack of concentration.

Colston likes the contact working over the middle. He is not afraid to take a hit going over the middle and this attitude, combined with his body growth, could see him more effective as an underneath target at tight end rather than lining up at split end. He has the body control to twist and turn to make the catch in a crowd and shows good flexibility to secure the pass at its high point (just needs better consistency).

At the level he played at, he still struggled when having to go deep and needs to stay lower in his pads and show better hip snap to generate more explosion in his routes. Before 2005, he would try to overpower defenders, but now shows better balance and leg drive. He developed some wiggle to escape initial contact, but when he gathers before cutting, he negates his timed speed.

His frame and aggressiveness would make him an effective blocker, but he will lose concentration at times, keep his arms short and this allows defenders to slip past in backside pursuit. The talent and strength are there to be a good in-line blocker. He just needs to develop better overall consistency.

Colston is an interesting prospect because of his size and timed speed. He needs to show more explosiveness in his burst and develop better consistency. He is prone to mental lapses on the field and while he is a hard worker, he is not regarded as leadership material. He needs to be pushed at times, as he tends to get lazy, but overall, he has been a good program player. Based on his size/speed ratio, if he continues to run well in private workouts, he could sneak into the mid-to-late round draft picture.

ChrisXVI 03-15-2015 06:22 PM

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My first shot at it since all of the craziness this past week. Only did 3 rounds.

R1P13 OLB VIC BEASLEY CLEMSON
-Absolute no-brainer. In 3-4 sets he's the Jack and allows us to use Galette as more of a situational pass rusher in nickel sets.

R1P31 DT EDDIE GOLDMAN FLORIDA STATE
-It was surprisingly tough to make this pick. There were quite a few players that I didn't want to reach on (I considered taking my 2nd round pick here) so I went with Edwards. Should be an upgrade over Deaderick in that interior D-Line rotation.

R2P12 ILB STEPHONE ANTHONY CLEMSON
-That's right, we're doubling up on Clemson defenders. Hopefully it works out better than when we doubled up on Wake Forest defenders. Anthony could immediately challenge Ellerbe and Hawthorne for a starting role.

R3P11 G ALI MARPET HOBART
-I doubt he's available here but if so it's another no-brainer.

R3P14 TE CLIVE WALFORD MIAMI
-It remains to be seen if Josh Hill can carry the load and Ben Watson doesn't have too long left.

jeanpierre 03-15-2015 10:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 638674)
I agree. It don't matter what round they project a player,if you really want him and believe he will be as asset worth picking in that particular round,then go for it....he may not be there when you pick again. That was a big reason why the Saints moved up last year to get Cooks. They probably had a hunch he wasn't gonna make it to our pick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 638680)
Eagles wanted him. We messed up their first round strategy. They had one of the worst first round picks.

Look, I really like Cooks, but we messed ourselves up as well...

We could have waited for Kelvin Benjamin and had the big, tall replacement for Colston...

Or Jordan Matthews, who Coach Payton took an early shine to as well...

Funny thing is, the third round pick, which we could have used on, say, a linebacker, Arizona used it to select Pittsburgh State's John Brown who had 5 TDs (two were game winners) and 596 yards...

Brown's production dropped off when Arizona lost their starting quarterback for the season, so his numbers may have been even greater...

jeanpierre 03-15-2015 10:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jjasso007 (Post 646124)
My most recent draft

44: HAU'OLI KIKAHA - OLB - WASHINGTON
-all he's done over the last two seasons at Washington is record 142 tackles, 40.5TFL, 32 sacks, 5 PBU and 6 FF. We need someone to get after the QB? Here he is

75: BRESHAD PERRIMAN - WR - UCF
-tall WR with good production. Needs to clean up his route running, but he's a nice pick up in the 3rd rounds

78: IFO EKPRE-OLOMU - CB - OREGON
-was rated a first round draft pick prior to his injury. May not have ideal height (for today's NFL), but makes up for it in technique, hand-eye coordination and talent. Also good in run support

I don't know why if it's Shoup or where Perriman's average draft position is among the FanSpeak fans, but Perriman is gone by the end of the second round...

Perriman is there when I run the simulator, but I don't take him because I know he's not going to be there...

And there's something about the Washington linebacker that leads me to believe he's an N.F.L. (Not For Long) type player and why I want no part of him...

Want no part of a player who's name requires that much effort; look in my business and in my previous civic life, I was great with names, always seemed to say it right the first time...

But the Oregon CB looks like another Jason David and is gonna getting physically abused by NFL WRs...

jeanpierre 03-15-2015 10:41 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 646141)
My first shot at it since all of the craziness this past week. Only did 3 rounds.

R1P13 OLB VIC BEASLEY CLEMSON
-Absolute no-brainer. In 3-4 sets he's the Jack and allows us to use Galette as more of a situational pass rusher in nickel sets.

R1P31 DT EDDIE GOLDMAN FLORIDA STATE
-It was surprisingly tough to make this pick. There were quite a few players that I didn't want to reach on (I considered taking my 2nd round pick here) so I went with Edwards. Should be an upgrade over Deaderick in that interior D-Line rotation.

R2P12 ILB STEPHONE ANTHONY CLEMSON
-That's right, we're doubling up on Clemson defenders. Hopefully it works out better than when we doubled up on Wake Forest defenders. Anthony could immediately challenge Ellerbe and Hawthorne for a starting role.

R3P11 G ALI MARPET HOBART
-I doubt he's available here but if so it's another no-brainer.

R3P14 TE CLIVE WALFORD MIAMI
-It remains to be seen if Josh Hill can carry the load and Ben Watson doesn't have too long left.

Pass on Clive...

We're of the same thinking on the first picks...

I like Carl Davis size, strength more and I think he'll be better paired with Beasley as he can easily occupy and diffuse two blockers, freeing up Beasley to inflict damage like a missle...

Sarik 03-15-2015 11:40 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Latest mock on Fanspeak, covers all of our issues & makes everyone Happy Happy Happy...

Rd1(13) NT Danny Shelton, Washington

Rd1(31) CB Marcus Peters, Washington

Rd2(44) ILB Stephone Anthony, Clemson

Rd3(75) OT/OG Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M

Rd3(78) WR Breshaud Perriman, UCF

Rd5(140) OG Shaq Mason, Georgia Tech

Rd5(146) ILB Jordan Hicks, Texas

I'll start off by saying, chances are slim to none both 3rd selections will be there.

This draft would shore up our interior defensive front seven with Shelton at the nose & Anthony/Hicks adding much needed athleticism at the ILB positions. Both have great instincts & can cover!

Ogbuehi can play LG if we so chose to put him there making a VERY athletic left side next to Armstead. Shaq Mason is the RG of the future after Jahri's career comes to an end & also gives us great Depth as he can play Center & guard.

Peters is a tremendous talent & the idea of Browner/Lewis coaching him up & keeping him in check makes the pick all the better.

Perriman more than likely goes no later than mid 2nd. Hard to see him falling...Latimer scenario last year is a great example of his ascension this year.

Slim chance Ogbuehi falls to the 3rd, but it is possible. Brandon Thomas is a good example from last year. Fell of a bit at LT & moved to LG & then had the injury, so we'll see how that goes.

I also like DT/DE Marcus Hardison, Arizona St. In the middle of the draft somewhere if his stock doesnt rise.
Measures 6'5, 300lbs. Believe he weighed around 311 at the senior bowl.
Versatile guy that can rush the passer & had great production this year(54 tackles, 11 sacks, 16 TFL, 2 INTs, 3 FF, 1 FR) ....gives us depth we're lacking outside of Foster.

Cant wait til April 30th

Sarik 03-16-2015 12:01 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Only did 5 rounds

lee909 03-16-2015 12:59 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Id love Peters if he was there in the second but i cant see the front office taking anyone with character issues this year.

Didn't he put his hands on his coach?.

Id take him like a shot if he has sorted his head out or that was false reporting though

hagan714 03-16-2015 06:13 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
two case examples

- Peters guiding influence is Marshawn Lynch to get his head straight

- Dorial Green-Beckham influence is his brother who moved in and kicked his butt back on the straight and narrow.

think i would roll the with family.

Sarik 03-16-2015 06:24 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 646213)
two case examples

- Peters guiding influence is Marshawn Lynch to get his head straight

- Dorial Green-Beckham influence is his brother who moved in and kicked his butt back on the straight and narrow.

think i would roll the with family.

Yep, heard that. I wish the Saints would consider him, but i understand. To get him at 31 would be legit.

hagan714 03-16-2015 06:32 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
ok i am going to get shot for this bit :brood:

but here it is. :chug:

7 Annual Drink Trade and Draft :clown:

Drew traded to Tenn
2, 33, 1st 2016 conditional in 2017


Marcus Mariota to the Eagles
20 37 phili LG Evan Mathis, Sam Bradford, 1st 2016


7 saints trade up with chicago picks 13 44 3rd 2016

7 WR Amari Cooper Alabama 6-1 211
Drew is all about timing and route running is key. trying to make up for thr JG trade here to make him feel better. victor was of the board

12 - 20 146 2nd in 2016 to cleveland

12 OT La'el Collins LSU 6-4 305

31 ILB Stephone Anthony Clemson 6-3 243


33 OT Jake Fisher Oregon 6-6 306

37 CB Ronald Darby Florida State 5-11 193

75 - Ali Marpet OG Hobart 6-4 307

78 traded for 111 and a 3rd 2016 to miami


111 OLB Jake Ryan Michigan 6-2 240


140 DE/DT Leterrius Walton Central Michigan 6-5 319


161 Tenn 171 205


161 WR Darren Waller Georgia Tech

cap issues? nope and a boat load of picks still

Tenn 1st 2016 conditional in 2017
Jets 1st 2016 and 2nd 2017, LG Evan Mathis, Sam Bradford,
Miami 3nd 2016

Target Draft 2016 QB Connor Cook Michigan State

Evans is trade bait right away. same with Stafford. Browns offered a #1 for him. so let them draft a QB we like in the draft and trade later after he is signed?

Micky would shoot me for this draft. :p

now run the ball! :chug:

jeanpierre 03-16-2015 08:49 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Fanspeak's On the Clock Mock Draft Simulator

Pick Pos Name, Alma Mater, Height, Weight

Pick No. 013 (R1, 13) LB Vic Beasley, Clemson, 6' 3", 246 lbs.

Pick No. 031 (R1, 31) DT Carl Davis, Iowa; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 320 lbs. (Via Seattle)

Pick No. 044 (R2, 12) LB Stephone Anthony, Clemson, 6' 2⅜", 243 lbs.

Pick No. 075 (R3, 11) LB Taiwan Jones, Michigan St, 6' 3", 245 lbs.

Pick No. 078 (R3, 14) CB Eric Rowe, Utah, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (Via Miami)

Pick No. 109 (R4, 13) (Traded to Seattle)

Pick No. 140 (R5, 12) Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas, 6' 3", 204 lbs

Pick No. 146 (R5, 18) OL Mark Glowinski, West Virginia, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (Via Kansas City)

Pick No. 171 (R6, 11) OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 5", 320 lbs.

Pick 205 (R7, 13) TE Blake Bell, Oklahoma, 6' 6", 252 lbs.

WillSaints81 03-17-2015 12:39 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
So I looked up clips from the top 12 ranked receivers for the draft. And I like them in this order


1.We're not getting him but given the conference he has played in he is clearly the best of the bunch

Amari Cooper

2.In the head to head game with Amari he had the better game. However its one game and he plays in a rather defenseless conference but he should be good none the less.

Kevin White

3.This is the one I like I feel we can get. He is not projected to go in the first round and his two big games against the SEC West's two top recruiting and also powerhouse rivalries is eye opening

Sammie Coats
And this should say more about him

4.The receiver that is the third projected but I have him fourth. There were some things I didn't like here that I thought the other three were better. He does not have any great reels against the likes of the better ACC teams. He'll still be great but I think the top three will be even better.

DeVante Parker

5.Well I thought highly of this guy though I don't think he played at all in 2014 with Oklahoma. However, here's his game against Auburn. As the game grew on, he did not have the longevity but maybe this is where he would need coaching on. As someone said SP is not likely to draft him due to his character issues.

Dorial Green-Beckham

6.This guy has the makings to really good and maybe coming from a medium school he would want to play harder but that hasn't translated with former teammate Storm Johnson. And it is Florida also, a place where character is in question. But I liked what I saw. However, he did not do much against the biggest team on his schedule in the bowl game, NCSU.

Breshad Perriman

7.This is one we should definitely get. He has size for sure and is thought of as a tightend. I don't trust a lot of big ten play though. Eric Decker looked good for Minnesota but he is ultimately a number 2 receiver.

Devin Funchess

8.He's small, so injury risk is a concern until he gains more weight. But he's had some big games and one was against the SEC's best.

Devin Smith

These are behind the cutoff as there's too much to not like about them.

9.Tony Lippet

10.Rashad Greene

11.Nelson Agholor
He's good at this though
But this is something I needed to show

12.I thought this might be another one I liked but after seeing his clips, I just was not blown away and the conference is a concern. Furthermore he does not fit our team better than the one above.

Jaelen Strong

So with that said based on what we can get. I like Coats, Perriman, and Funchess if we cannot get the top 3.

Sarik 03-17-2015 12:52 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Lol at coates #3. His drop issues can just not be overlooked. Rather have a sure handed wr then someone with bulk or speed which is the craze for Coates. Saw it in the senior bowl as well. Pass.

Parker could end up being the best wr from this class & he along with White have higher ceilings than Cooper. Have no problem saying that. We have a smaller version of cooper in Cooks. Cooks game against Green Bay really shows some similarities.

Strong that low is laughable as well.

Lippett has always intrigued me, versatility he played for Michigan St was awesome. Two way player(CB/WR)
needs to polish his game so he wont go til rnd 3 at the earliest.

WillSaints81 03-17-2015 01:54 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Benjamin's knock was also hands and he was one of the best rookies last season. I just don't want a developmental project and believe Coats performances against LSU and Alabama shows he has what it takes to get up for big games.

Strong plays for the pac 12. I'm not gonna lie. I had Cooks not in my top five last year. I thought Watkins, OBD, Benjamin, Evans, and Robinson were better and four of them did play well and made more big plays than Cooks. The other one played on a bad team. Thats not to say Cooks is not good but as someone else said he may not be a true number 1 type of receiver. Cooks played for Oregon State. I think NFL defenses are just way more impactful than college defenses but with five star defensive players in the SEC and ACC and playing against such most of the season they prepare a player well for it.

If we draft Strong he better be ready to beat coverage because Brees usually makes some of his best plays to receivers in between defenders. Can Strong deal with that?

If we're not looking for a number 1 receiver then thats fine any of them can do but the more they weigh the less injury prone.

hagan714 03-17-2015 06:17 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 646445)
Benjamin's knock was also hands and he was one of the best rookies last season. I just don't want a developmental project and believe Coats performances against LSU and Alabama shows he has what it takes to get up for big games.

Panthers not fretting Kelvin Benjamin's dropsBy Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Published: Dec. 30, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.

Kelvin Benjamin added two more drops Sunday to take his total to 11 for the season.

Panthers not fretting Kelvin Benjamin's drops - NFL.com

he makes a huge impact WHEN he catches the ball but the issue remains. I am still glad we did not draft him. he just does not run the tree as well as we need WR too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 646445)
Strong plays for the pac 12. I'm not gonna lie. I had Cooks not in my top five last year. I thought Watkins, OBD, Benjamin, Evans, and Robinson were better and four of them did play well and made more big plays than Cooks. The other one played on a bad team. Thats not to say Cooks is not good but as someone else said he may not be a true number 1 type of receiver. Cooks played for Oregon State. I think NFL defenses are just way more impactful than college defenses but with five star defensive players in the SEC and ACC and playing against such most of the season they prepare a player well for it.

If we draft Strong he better be ready to beat coverage because Brees usually makes some of his best plays to receivers in between defenders. Can Strong deal with that?

If we're not looking for a number 1 receiver then thats fine any of them can do but the more they weigh the less injury prone.

Strong I like for one huge reason above all the WR in the draft. He is the best i have seen in a few years at catching the back shoulder throw which as we all know Drew has mastered and relies on heavily. ASU lived on the back shoulder throw all year long.

possession wide receiver. AKA Colston
He’s reliable, athletic and quick off the snap.
He’s not polished or a burner
Big Question out there is effort. Over used or just gets sloppy?

He is good enough for teams to consider trading back into one to get because after him there is a bit off a talent drop off

But if the phone rings and a team wants to trade up to 31 and they are in the top ten of round 2 you have to consider it.

If there is no player worth reaching for in round 1 i would trade out

hagan714 03-17-2015 07:02 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
round 3/4 doubting he will be there in 5
Darren Waller really has my interest remember GT was a triple option team while he was there. pet project?


i see a faster JG possibility here. 6-6 238 4.46

Seer1 03-17-2015 07:19 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 646461)
round 3/4 doubting he will be there in 5
Darren Waller really has my interest remember GT was a triple option team while he was there. pet project?

2015 Combine workout: Darren Waller - NFL Videos

i see a faster JG possibility here. 6-6 238 4.46

We save our second round picks for "projects", right?

hagan714 03-17-2015 07:22 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 646466)
We save our second round picks for "projects", right?

:lolup:Stop it your killing me here. laughing and crying at the same time is hard for me to do.

brees84 03-17-2015 10:11 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 646457)
Panthers not fretting Kelvin Benjamin's dropsBy Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Published: Dec. 30, 2014 at 10:38 a.m.

Kelvin Benjamin added two more drops Sunday to take his total to 11 for the season.

Panthers not fretting Kelvin Benjamin's drops - NFL.com

he makes a huge impact WHEN he catches the ball but the issue remains. I am still glad we did not draft him. he just does not run the tree as well as we need WR too.

Totally agree!

|Mitch| 03-17-2015 03:14 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
I've seen Amari Cooper mocked to us more often at #13; would not be disappointed...

and then Walter from WalterFootball.com has us selecting Markus Golden with the #31

Perryman in the 2nd

Danno 03-17-2015 05:23 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 646466)
We save our second round picks for "projects", right?

We've only had four 2nd round picks under Payton...
Stanley Jean Bustiste
Charles Brown
Tracy Porter
Roman Harper

The only project was SJB.

RaginCajun83 03-17-2015 05:32 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
WOW, after seeing those names it really didn't hurt the team that Satan took 2nd round picks from the team for 2 years. If anything looks like Saints can't draft for dog **** in the 2nd round

Danno 03-17-2015 05:34 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 646597)
WOW, after seeing those names it really didn't hurt the team that Satan took 2nd round picks from the team for 2 years. If anything looks like Saints can't draft for dog **** in the 2nd round

What are you talking about? Brown, Porter and Harper all became multi-year starters.

RaginCajun83 03-17-2015 05:45 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Brown sucked, Porter - besides the 2009 playoff INTs didn't do squat, Harper was a liability in coverage his whole tenure, SBJ was a project and and a pick I'm sure they regret


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