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Just read a mock draft from Bleacher Report(yes, I know :rolleyes:) At least they give a pretty decent reason for the selection:

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I really want no part of Dupree, Ray nor Gregory...

Want a true 3-4 OLB...

In the first, Beasley, Fowler or Harold...

And a true 3-4 ILB...

In the second, Anthony, McKinney or Perryman...

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Couldn't agree more. When it comes to Dupree, beware of guys that are Combine stars but have average production on the field. Do not use potential as a deciding factor in the first round.

I think McKinney and Perryman go late in the first round to ILB needy teams like Green Bay and Indy. If Anthony is still available when the second round starts then I want to trade up and snag him.

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Agree, but I could agree more. Don't like Beasley and especially not Fowler in the 1st. Hope I'm wrong. Would like someone safer...OL or another OLB.

Really hoping for ILB in the 2nd or 3rd.

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Borland looked great in the Senior Bowl last year. I don't know how teams then talked themselves out of taking him in the 2nd, but he was somehow still there in the 3rd. It would've been nice to see us take him in the 2nd instead of SJB.

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You tell 'em. And, I'm so sick of hearing about a CB's "length." Ya mean he's tall? So? Let's talk coverage. Heck, let's get fancy and talk coverage and open field tackling.

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Good, take him there.

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I have read some really hit or miss reports on Harold.



What do you think on Arik Armstead?
Maybe to much of a project for us at the moment.

I want Collins if he is there,let him compete for a spot at T/OG this year and he is ready to take over from Grubbs next year at worst. Armstead-Collins anchoring the left side wiuld be nasty.

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Combine workout warrior. When I watch his body of work, nothing stands out or is overly impressive.

Pass on "Bud" Dupree.

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The sack numbers are not there but he gets pressure and gets tackles behind the line. 13 is too early but trade back to say 20/25 and if he is there could be a good pick

Alvin Dupree, DE, Kentucky*
Height: 6-4. Weight: 269.*
40 Time: 4.56.*
Projected Round (2015): 1-2.*
3/7/15:*Dupree has a good skill set with speed, strength and athleticism. He needs to keep refining his pass-rushing moves. Sources have told WalterFootball.com that Dupree could go from the mid-first to the early second round. He used the Combine to put his freakish skill set on display with a ridiculously fast 40 time and athleticism in the field drills.*

The senior recorded 74 tackles with 11.5 tackles for a loss, one pass batted, one interception, two forced fumbles and 7.5 sacks in 2014. He was much more disruptive than the numbers illustrate, and his sack production was hurt by going against eight read-option offenses. Even though Dupree didn't have a huge stat line, he was very good against Florida as he caused a lot of disruption with pressure. Dupree had a huge pick-six against South Carolina in Kentucky's seven-point upset win. He did not impress against Georgia.*

8/23/14:*Dupree is a quick, strong and physical defender who can play defensive end and outside linebacker. For the NFL, he would be an interesting 3-4 outside linebacker or right end in a 4-3 defense.*

Dupree played well in 2013 and was a nice weapon in Mark Stoops' defense. Dupree recorded 61 tackles with nine tackles for a loss, two forced fumbles, one pass broken up and seven sacks for the season. The junior was disruptive off the edge. He was wise to return for his senior year.*

It was nice to see Dupree build on his impressive 2012 season, when he totaled 91 tackles with 12.5 tackles for a loss, 6.5 sacks and a pass batted. It was his first year of significant playing time. Dupree totaled 21 tackles, 2.5 tackles for a loss, 2.5 sacks, two passes broken up and a blocked kick as a freshman

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Wishful thinking, would love for it to happen, but wishful thinking...

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I think we blew our high risk selection with Stanley Jean Baptiste...

Would love to have the 'luxury' of selecting Armstead, but we can't now that we're behind the 8 ball at both CB and LB...

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Agree,just wondering what you think if him as a talent. I really think we need more rotation at DE to keep the rushers fresh. I think its one of the reasons we struggled last year in creating pressure.

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I still want Perryman, I also would like to see us trade down out of the 13th pick to the mid 20's range for another late 2nd or early 3rd, there are some solid players there. I hate to say this but the way we have drafted over the years if we stink it up this draft we're not going to be contenders any longer.

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Dupree and Arik are those hyped picks that scare the heck out of me. you understand it and you see it but no matter how you look it they are a hard 3 to roll at 13. you look like a genius or you never hear the end of it.

Sweet. now get a RT that is athletic like Armstead and you set. I have thrown out the old school RT guide lines. Elite playoff teams can beat from either side.

The way the boards are looking and all the crap about Brandon Scherff being the one that is the true OG btween the two, you never know either one one could be there.

now see if the rumors with bills are true and package Grubbs off to the Bills. He is the one they supossedly really wanted not Evens.

Draft a polished plug and play OT like Jake Fisher and we are all set.

either OT goes down he can step in play either side.

You have a OG that can jump out side if thing get really banged up at OT.

I like the versatility the 2 picks would give the saints on the OL in the time of need to reshuffle.

Ok how the OG/OC situation? one piece away from solving this issue maybe?

Ali Marpet has climbed up the boards to the 2/3 range now in most places.

3 OL in the first three rounds? boring but i could live with it

Ben Beckwith OG/OC day three instead? maybe

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Cutting Pierre Thomas proves to me that Payton wants a true 3rd down back. I think we all know that Payton is gonna get himself at least one toy to play with in this draft, right? I looked at the combine results and found a player who is very interesting and very close to home. I assume as least some of ya'll know who Ross Schuerman is. A white tailback from U of Lafayette. 6" 204 lbs, 4'6 40, 15 bench reps, finishing in the top 5 for RBs in every combine drill, a very well rounded athlete. Led his team in receiving as a junior and is also a good returner. Looks like Edelmam from the Pats. Tre Williams from A&M fits the description perfectly. He is a carbon copy of Darren Sproles right down to the short choppy steps. One of the quickest in the draft for sure. 5"7 195lbs 4.4 40. My guess is Saints take Tre Williams in the 2nd round and get their Darren Sproles clone and kick returner. Marcus Murphy-Mizzoo-a solid back who was a stud kick returner with 7 return TDs, has big hands and can catch the ball. disappointed with a 4.6 40 at the combine.

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Walters mock draft from WalterFootball.com has us selecting Shane Ray in the first and Benardrick McKinney in the second...

That would damn near fix the LB problem right there :bng:

Then has us selecting Ifo Ekpre-Olomu in the third...

That would fix the defense!

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I wouldn't mind those picks at all, but I don't think McKinney falls out of the first round. With all other ILB/MLB prospects looking bad during the combine he will be the first to go, my bet is he lands between 20-30th overall.

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Has anyone taken a look at Eli Harold DE/OLB from Virginia? Could be a decent 2nd round LB if they go for another position in the first...

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Well you gotta remember we didn't have the rotation we had in 2013...

John Jenkins started the season recovering from a torn pectoral muscle and really never had a chance to recover...

Because we lost Bunkley to injury, finally succumbing to the IR list after a season ending injury in November...

Glenn Foster, who really was our "secret" pass rush weapon in 2013 was placed on IR after an injury during the Detrot game and he was probably playing injured before that as well...

That's three of your six rotational guys on defense, so you wonder what happen on defense, you gotta factor in those guys and their injuries...

Now since Coach Payton is better keeping secrets re: injured players than our government, do we need to find replacements for guys that might not recover is another question...

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Eli Harold won't be there in round two...

He'll likely fall starting around pick 20 in the first round...

He's a little behind in development to Vic Beasley...

But they're very similar in their freakish get off at the snap...

In fact, if Beasley, Scherff, Shelton are off the boards, I'd reach and select him at 13 before Ray, Gregory, Dupree...

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This is huge when analyzing running backs for the draft...

2015 NFL Draft: Fumble rate among RB prospects - CBSSports.com

And why I wouldn't draft a RB in the first two rounds, maybe IU's Tevin Coleman in round three, though I'd take him if he's there in Round four...

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About 2 months behind on the Eli Harold train Mitch. Im a big fan...

I posted this about Eli Harold 2 months ago in reply to JeanPierre.
You can find it on page 20 of this thread...

"Honestly though...one of my options id love to start day 2 with is
Eli Harold - Virginia

Jeanpierre i think you could really grow to love this pick. Follow me for a minute....

Been watching a good amount of tape on him & really liked what i was seeing. Im sitting there thinking "who does this guy remind me of" & then it clicks...Jerry Attaochu. Nearly identical builds as well.
Attaochu: 6'3 252lbs
Harold: 6'4 250lbs

shows alot of similar traits we saw from Attaochu coming out of Georgia Tech. Pass rusher & disruptive. More athletic than what we have in JR Rite now as well. Shows he can set the edge, but can stand to improve."


Since then Harold has had a great Combine & Pro day, so like JeanPierre said, no chance he gets to us in the 2nd. He'll probably be drafted somewhere in the 20 range of the 1st Round. Would be more than happy to trade back to select Harold & gain extra picks.

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Not to steal your thunder Ambassador Sarik, but SaintsFan1976 should share with you as well...

But it was also this Jon Ledyard scouting report that has given me pause and take notice, not to mention watching as much video of Harold that I can find...

2015 NFL Draft Scouting Report: DE Eli Harold - Defensive Ends - NFL News - Pro Football Spot - Forums

But what really has caused me to want the Saints to make necessary moves to get Vic Beasley and Stephone Anthony is not their respective combine performances, per se...

it's the preparation, dedication they demonstrated to be in position to perform as they did...

Being the Saints like to make a bold splash, send either Grubbs or Galette or both to exchange first round picks for a top five pick to ensure Beasley and possibly move up to get Anthony in the the second round...

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heavy load carries? two 1000+ years and still

123.2 -- Jeremy Langford, Michigan State (8 3/4)

also impressive is
619.0 -- Malcolm Brown, Texas (10 1/4)

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Yeah, that is freakish with Malcolm Brown...I'd be worried that trend would correct himself once he was in the NFL...

And Langford has smaller hands among his contemporaries; coaching and technique can never be undervalued...

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Well one thing is for sure fellas...

With the recent cut of lofton & reported inevitable release of Hawthorne, if we dont target/land Perryman, Mckinney, Kendricks, Anthony or Dawson in the draft i'll be one very unhappy camper. Heres to landing two out of the five mentioned!! If not, id like to target Jordan Hicks in the 5th for an ILB position...Would love to go into camp with Mason Foster, Denzel Perryman/Stephone Anthony & Hicks.

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That would be a sick LB corps!

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The way this free agency period has started before it has even begun, every round of the draft should/could be spent on defense...

If Hawthorne is released, we have no starters inside; let alone depth... Not to mention needs at CB and on the line

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Wouldnt it?! I hope it happens.

One thing My Brother & I were discussing is we must hit on our 2nd, 3rd & 4th round picks. Thats where the main crop/meat is this year. We can go a number of routes in Round 1(OG/OT, LB, DT, CB, WR) & i'll be satisfied but we have to make those other picks count. Gotta find starters in 2&3 at the very least.

Hell i'll be completely fine with the Saints selecting Devante Parker in Rnd 1 only if they hit on selections the next 2 days, preferably defense.
Ex: Perryman, Anthony, Mckinney, Dawson, Tomlinson, Jarrett, Marpet, etc.

Although im a big fan of Devante Parker & would be ok with the pick, that is NOT the route i want to go...let it be known. Ha.

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I agree...as long as they address that O line also. Ingram and Brees need some help like Romo and Murray had.

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Yesir. Scherff or Le'el in the 1st would give us alot of room to draft defense the rest of the way. If not, then Tomlinson/Fisher/Humphries/Marpet /etc. in rounds 2/3. If we somehow dont land OL in rounds 1-4 id take Shaq Mason in the 5th. Can play Guard or Center.

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Yea,I just hate depending on rookies to come in and start right away. If we can snag a good C or G along with Mason,I would feel a lot better going into the draft.

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lets see what happens next. Lofton cut stumps me. yet another solid locker room guy gone from a defense that gave up?

at this rate i say offense all the way baby let set some new records because this defense will take a few years to correct.

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First mock with the new picks

Dont spoil my fun of geting Beasley without moving

1: R1P13
OLB VIC BEASLEY
CLEMSON

2: R1P31
CB MARCUS PETERS
WASHINGTON

3: R2P12
ILB DENZEL PERRYMAN
MIAMI

4: R3P11
ILB STEPHONE ANTHONY
CLEMSON

5: R5P12
CB LORENZO DOSS
TULANE

6: R6P11
OT TYRUS THOMPSON
OKLAHOMA

7: R7P13
G MILES DIEFFENBACH
PENN STATE

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You ain't gettin Perryman in the second.

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Youll get one of McKinney,Kendricks or Perryman in r2

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Am I the only one who isn't even thinking about the second round after yesterday?!

We have 2 first round picks! :bananajoy:

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13th Shane Ray OLB/DE can be 3 point or stand up
31st Cameron Irving, G/T/C very versatile pick fills a couple of holes
44th Stephone Anthony ILB need, need, need
75th Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB icing on the cake after signing Browner & Tramon
109th Ray Drew DE/DT
140th Joe Mbu, NT
6th round Rory Anderson, TE we could draft him in the 5th and pick up NT here
7th round Corey Cooper S

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