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jeanpierre 03-23-2015 12:11 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
New Orleans Saints 2014 Visits:

Walt Aikens, DB, Liberty (SR)
Ricardo Allen, CB, Purdue (EW)
Jeremiah Attaochu, LB, Georgia Tech (SR%)
Carrington Byndom, CB, Texas (EW)
Brandon Coleman, WR, Rutgers (PRI)
Aaron Colvin, DB, Oklahoma (PRI)
Alden Darby, S, Arizona State (EW)
Chris Davis, DB, Auburn (SR)
Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood (PRI)
Ahmad Dixon, DB, Baylor (SR)
Chase Dixon, TE, Central Arkansas (PRI/PRO)
Dakota Dozier, G, Furman (EW)
Shaquelle Evans, WR, UCLA (SR)
David Fales, QB, San Jose State (SR)
Dillon Farrell, C, New Mexico (EW)
Anthony Fera, K , Texas (EW)
C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (SR)
Timothy Flanders, RB, Sam Houston State (LOC)
Dee Ford, DL, Auburn (INT) (COM)
Justin Gilbert, DB, Oklahoma State (PRI)
Demetri Goodson, DB, Baylor (PRO)
Ryan Grant, WR, Tulane (SR)
Rob Herron, WR, Wyoming (PRI)
Adrian Hubbard, LB, Alabama (COM)
Bennett Jackson, CB, Notre Dame (EW)
Gabe Jackson, OL, Mississippi State (SR)
Stanley Jean-Baptiste, DB, Nebraska (PRI)
DaQuan Jones, DL, Penn State (SR)
Devon Kennard, LB, USC (EW)
Tyler Larsen, OL, Utah State (SR)
Demarcus Lawrence, LB, Boise State (PRI)
Marqise Lee, WR, USC (PRI)
Marcus Martin, OL, USC (PRI)
Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (SR)
Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU (COM)
Keith McGill, DB, Utah (SR)
Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (SR)
Morgan Moses, OL, Virginia (PRI)
Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia (INT)
Kevin Pamphile, OL, Purdue (PRI)
Jacob Pedersen, TE, Wisconsin (SR)
Calvin Pryor, DB, Louisville (PRI)
Cyril Richardson, OL, Baylor (SR)
Bradley Roby, DB, Ohio State (PRI)
Alvin Scioneaux, LB, Wofford (PRO)
Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State (COM)
Telvin Smith, LB, Florida State (PRO)
Dez Southward, DB, Wisconsin (SR)
James Stone, C, Tennessee (EW)
Bryan Stork%, OL, Florida State (PRI) (SR)
Lorenzo Taliaferro, RB, Coastal Carolina (SR)
Brandon Thomas, OL, Clemson (PRO)
Billy Turner, OL, North Dakota State (SR)
Trai Turner, OL, LSU (PRO)
John Urschel, G, Penn State (EW)
Brock Vereen, S, Minnesota (EW)
Josh Walker, G, Middle Tennessee State (PRI)
Jimmie Ward, DB, Northern Illinois (PRI) (SR)
L'damian Washington, WR, Missouri (PRO)
James White, RB, Wisconsin (SR)

Source http://walterfootball.comdraft2014me...IoxtUuBEMuj.99

jjasso007 03-23-2015 11:14 PM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Most recent draft with our compensatory picks

Round 1, pick 13: Eric Kendricks - ILB - UCLA

Round 1, pick 31: Jalen Strong - WR - Arizona State

Round 2, pick 12: Hau-oli Kikaha - OLB - Washington

Round 3, pick 11: Ali Marpet - G - Hobart

Round 3, pick 14: Efo Ekpre-Olomu - CB - Oregon

Round 5, pick 12: Tyrus Thompson - OT - Oklahoma

Round 5, pick 18: Xavier Williams - DT - Northern Iowa

Round 6, pick 11: Jalston Fowler- FB - Alabama

Round 7, pick 13: Jean Sifrin - TE - Massachusetts

jeanpierre 03-23-2015 11:58 PM

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Kendricks will get killed inside, I'd rather reach for Stephone Anthony...

Know Jalen Strong keeps getting compared to Colston, but I'm not sold...

Read This about Bob Sturm’s 2015 NFL Draft profile: What I see in Hau’oli Kikaha, LB. Washington | Dallas Morning News

hagan714 03-24-2015 06:46 AM

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i like it but all i can say is raise the knee red flags

Jean Sifrin - TE - Massachusetts

at 27 years of age he could end up being our mr irrelevant pick

halloween 65 03-24-2015 09:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 647598)
Kendricks will get killed inside, I'd rather reach for Stephone Anthony...

Know Jalen Strong keeps getting compared to Colston, but I'm not sold...

Read This about Bob Sturm’s 2015 NFL Draft profile: What I see in Hau’oli Kikaha, LB. Washington | Dallas Morning News

Have you read up on Anthony? I would rather have McKinney or Perryman.

jjasso007 03-24-2015 11:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 647598)
Kendricks will get killed inside, I'd rather reach for Stephone Anthony...

Know Jalen Strong keeps getting compared to Colston, but I'm not sold...

Read This about Bob Sturm’s 2015 NFL Draft profile: What I see in Hau’oli Kikaha, LB. Washington | Dallas Morning News

I don't know if he'll get killed inside. He's been a MLB at UCLA, I'm sure he know what he's doing. And he's bigger than Perrymen. As for Anthony, what I keep reading is how bad he is in coverage. Haven't we dealt with that from our MLBs for years now? We need a MLB who is effective in space. Kendricks is also considered one of the 10 safest draft picks in this years draft (along with Jalen Strong) per NFL.com

Slam dunks: 10 safest prospects in 2015 NFL Draft - NFL.com

jjasso007 03-24-2015 11:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 647605)
i like it but all i can say is raise the knee red flags

Jean Sifrin - TE - Massachusetts

at 27 years of age he could end up being our mr irrelevant pick

He would totally be our Mr. Irrelevant. But he's 6'7, big hands, and, from what I've read, is hard to tackle. He's going to drop a few passes, but for a 7th round pick, and the intangibles he brings like his height, I'll take it. Here's another video from one game which puts his goods and bads on display


hagan714 03-24-2015 02:01 PM

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Kendricks is a play maker. size does worry me. but of the smaller ILB in the draft he is the best one. Anthony is all about upside when it comes to pass defense. something he did not really do in college. the blitzed him a ton

SmashMouth 03-24-2015 02:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jjasso007 (Post 647643)
He would totally be our Mr. Irrelevant. But he's 6'7, big hands, and, from what I've read, is hard to tackle. He's going to drop a few passes, but for a 7th round pick, and the intangibles he brings like his height, I'll take it. Here's another video from one game which puts his goods and bads on display

Jean Sifrin- UMass Football - TE - 2014 Bowling Green Game - YouTube

Why not.... seems to drop balls on occasion too, just like Grambeaux!

hagan714 03-24-2015 06:02 PM

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I am pretty sold on these 4 players later in the draft.

Round 3
OT MITCH MORSE MISSOURI
no way he is a seventh rounder. Move to LOG a position is no big deal. as well as OC.
NFL Draft Profile: Missouri OG Mitch Morse | CSN Chicago

WR NELSON AGHOLOR USC
more of a polished WR than that OU kid

Day 3
CB CRAIG MAGER TEXAS STATE
he is a football player that loves to play. Solid with room to grow. i still like EJ Gains more but they are pretty much the same style of player

DT DEON SIMON NORTHWESTERN ST
guys a beast. sleeper in the draft no one is really talking about.

jeanpierre 03-24-2015 08:26 PM

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http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/premi...t.php?d=nofajy

and yet my mancrush was there again...hmm?!?

jeanpierre 03-24-2015 08:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 647683)
I am pretty sold on these 4 players later in the draft.

DT DEON SIMON NORTHWESTERN ST
guys a beast. sleeper in the draft no one is really talking about.

I actually wrote the brother and sister team that run Fanspeak website and asked them to add him to the dBase several weeks ago...

He had the top number for DL in the benchpress; kid just needs to be coached up...

Also like the Maryland NT (Kilgo); the Florida St kid (Orr) just got frustrated, but he's got the physical attributes...

We definitely need to draft a replacement for Bunkley...

WhoDatFan26 03-24-2015 10:08 PM

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I added a bio of Dupree. This kid is perfect for the 5 technique DE. He was the 2nd fastest of the DE/OLB only to Beasley by lessthan 0.03 and he outweighs Beasley by more than 20 lbs(240 Beasley, 269 Dupree). Read about him in the post I submitted.

jeanpierre 03-24-2015 11:05 PM

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Dupree is better suited to a 4-3 defensive end weakside (lined up on the outside shoulder of an unprotected (no tightend) left tackle...

When Steve Sidwell nearly perfected the 3-4 some twenty-five-plus years ago, we had three big, tall defensive tackles, ends whos' role was to just occupy blockers and protect, allow our big, fast 6' 2" linebackers, Sam Mills excepted, to come in and make plays...

Guys like Jim Wilks, Tony Elliot, Bruce Clark, with Frank Warren, Jumpy Geathers rotating in, keeping all the big guys fresh...

When three big, fresh men with depth rotating can occupy five, six blockers on the opponents offensive line, you've won the line of scrimmage...

Let me repeat, you've won the line of scrimmage and the advantage is there for your big, fast linebackers to annihilate the opposing passer, rusher and create those fortuitous turnover opportunities...

Beasley, Harold, Mauldin are ideal OLB candidates for a 3-4 front...

Ray, Gregory, Dupree are your Chris Doleman/Dwight Freeney 4-3 defensive ends to try to create havoc on passing downs, but can be beaten when you run against them...

Was really excited when Payton stated he wanted to move to the 3-4 front, and have been equally disappointed in the effort, pace and personnel moves to get the defense to that point...

Drafting Dupree, Ray, Gregory is a step backwards...

WillSaints81 03-25-2015 02:51 AM

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I have some new receivers to list.

I only watched four here ranked 11-14

I really like this guy

1.
And he can do this

And this

There was one video of him fumbling however it was a lateral pass by a receiver that led to it and he did not even appear to catch it.

As for this guy, he may have not been Stanford's top receiver
2.
But he's basically a special teams athlete

And he fumbles

However it's better than the next two here

3.
4.
I really like Hardy most of this group and he's a small guy with good frame. Like Cooks.

WhoDatFan26 03-25-2015 06:20 AM

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I guess you missed the part where it states that this kid is equally adept playing both the run and the pass. Also remember the name Wayne Martin? He wasn't a big DE like Frank Warren, Jumpy Geathers and the others(about 6'4, 285), but he has well over 70 sacks playing for us. The thing I'm saying is this, the 3-4 Sidwell ran is different from the one we currently run. This one is more attack from the D-Line, under Sidwell it was more read and react. Dupree would fit in.

hagan714 03-25-2015 07:53 AM

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i got him on my high risk high rewards list myself

hagan714 03-25-2015 07:55 AM

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T. Montgomery was a preseason favorite of mine. i really hoped he would have stepped up his senior year but he did not. alas

jeanpierre 03-25-2015 08:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 (Post 647712)
I guess you missed the part where it states that this kid is equally adept playing both the run and the pass. Also remember the name Wayne Martin? He wasn't a big DE like Frank Warren, Jumpy Geathers and the others(about 6'4, 285), but he has well over 70 sacks playing for us. The thing I'm saying is this, the 3-4 Sidwell ran is different from the one we currently run. This one is more attack from the D-Line, under Sidwell it was more read and react. Dupree would fit in.

Fan, did in fact read the reports, and another dozen as well, on Dupree and know what the film and my eyes see...

Now whatever is recorded for posterity (college playing weights, heights) and seeing those guys up close and personal, I can tell you as a first account witness that Wayne Martin with regards to physical frame was waaaaay bigger than Warren, Geathers, Wilks (maybe)...

My point is that you get big, mammoth, space-eating monsters to occupy blockers and allow your 6-2/6-4 linebackers to zone-blitz randomly and attack the passer/rusher...

And we've really not run the 3-4...at least, not yet...and that's because we don't have the personnel...

hagan714 03-25-2015 08:15 AM

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looking for a round 3 WR myself

NELSON AGHOLOR USC 6001 185 4.42
ranked as a round 2 now? trade back into 2? grrrr

how about a Mr Everything?

Tony Lippett WR/CB/FS/KR Michigan State 6034 198
pro day 4.46 seconds to 4.52

Similarly, wideout Tony Lippett enjoyed a strong performance during positional drills, showing off impressive fluidity for his 6-foot-2 (and 5/8"), 191 frame and also catching the ball well. Lippett is a solid second-tier receiver prospect but some clubs see him projecting even better at cornerback, where he played occasionally for the Spartans.

Following the workout, Michigan State head coach Mark Dantonio had this to say about his versatile pass-catcher. "I heard one scout say [Lippett] has hawk awareness. He can pick the ball up at the blink of an eye and determine where it's going and pick it. I really think today opened a lot of people's eyes."

love players from 3 on that can play multi positions to make the club

2015 NFL Draft: Five Takeaways from this week's Pro Day workouts - CBSSports.com


WhoDatFan26 03-25-2015 09:56 AM

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And we can't run the 3-4 effectively with only one 5 technique DE in Cameron Jordan. Akiem Hicks is a DT/NT. Thats what he was in college and what he was originally drafted to be when we drafted him. By taking Dupree and making him a fulltime 3-4 DE, that would allow us to move Akiem to his natural position of NT and that will go a long way towards shoreing up both the run and pass defenses. Trust me, Dupree will be a defensive line stud for years to come.

brees84 03-25-2015 10:19 AM

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lee909 03-25-2015 10:40 AM

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Im shocked by this news

saintsfan1976 03-25-2015 11:04 AM

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I can easily see us finishing the draft with 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders, and 1 third and 1 fourth.

First round: 13th overall selection

First round: 31st overall selection (from Seattle, via Jimmy Graham trade)

Second round: 44th overall selection

Third round: 75th overall selection

Third round: 78th overall selection (from Miami, via Kenny Stills trade)

Fifth round: 148th overall selection

Fifth round: 154th overall selection (from Kansas City, via Ben Grubbs trade)

Sixth round: 186th overall selection

Seventh round: 230th overall selection

brees84 03-25-2015 06:35 PM

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6'2"
212LBS

negative: issues with drops

K Major 03-25-2015 07:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 647837)
https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/statu...58706675421184

6'2"
212LBS

negative: issues with drops

Yikes :jkool: !
Not really familiar with this kid however even with a case of the dropsies this season, he definitely bolted up on the draft selection boards.

WhoDatFan26 03-25-2015 09:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 647846)
Yikes :jkool: !
Not really familiar with this kid however even with a case of the dropsies this season, he definitely bolted up on the draft selection boards.



This is Brett Perriman's kid. Has his old man's speed but worse hands.

jeanpierre 03-25-2015 11:33 PM

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Well, this is an interesting development...

Randy Gregory: 'I blame myself' for failed NFL combine drug test - NFL.com

Bet the agent for Vic Beasley is liking this news...

WillSaints81 03-26-2015 01:34 AM

Re: 2015 draft??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 647721)
looking for a round 3 WR myself

NELSON AGHOLOR USC 6001 185 4.42
ranked as a round 2 now? trade back into 2? grrrr

how about a Mr Everything?

Tony Lippett WR/CB/FS/KR Michigan State 6034 198
pro day 4.46 seconds to 4.52

Similarly, wideout Tony Lippett enjoyed a strong performance during positional drills, showing off impressive fluidity for his 6-foot-2 (and 5/8"), 191 frame and also catching the ball well. Lippett is a solid second-tier receiver prospect but some clubs see him projecting even better at cornerback, where he played occasionally for the Spartans.

Following the workout, Michigan State head coach Mark Dantonio had this to say about his versatile pass-catcher. "I heard one scout say [Lippett] has hawk awareness. He can pick the ball up at the blink of an eye and determine where it's going and pick it. I really think today opened a lot of people's eyes."

love players from 3 on that can play multi positions to make the club

2015 NFL Draft: Five Takeaways from this week's Pro Day workouts - CBSSports.com

https://youtu.be/40I90zXxK6c

No to Agholor. I just don't trust him. Or anyone from that school.

hagan714 03-26-2015 06:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 647881)
Well, this is an interesting development...

Randy Gregory: 'I blame myself' for failed NFL combine drug test - NFL.com

Bet the agent for Vic Beasley is liking this news...

bad news for us. he falls everyone moves up a spot grrrrr

lee909 03-26-2015 06:13 AM

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Cant see everyone overlooking him. Maybe it even gives a team in the 16-20 range looking to move up for him. Another 2/3 round pick would be nice

jeanpierre 03-26-2015 09:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 647914)
bad news for us. he falls everyone moves up a spot grrrrr

Exactly, really changes complexity if team decides not to overlook it...

lee909 03-26-2015 09:36 AM

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Plenty of talk people are willing to take Green-Beckham in the first and the exprcted number 1 pick has some serious question marks. It may mean Fowler,Beasley go ahead of him but loads of teams need a pass rusher and imo someone will be willing to take him before 13 or maybe if he is there a team will make a offer

jeanpierre 03-26-2015 09:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 647915)
Cant see everyone overlooking him. Maybe it even gives a team in the 16-20 range looking to move up for him. Another 2/3 round pick would be nice

No, but it could shift things askew and as you get further down the draft order, the shifts become more dramatic...

lee909 03-26-2015 09:44 AM

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I agree,i think he still goes myself. The position is at a premium,its a case of the teams wanting him,do you want a pick there.

hagan714 03-26-2015 04:04 PM

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would you take him?

be afraid very afraid

jeanpierre 03-26-2015 10:06 PM

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The 3 most intriguing teams that could swing the 2015 NFL Draft - CBSSports.com

This writer has a pretty decent bead on the Saints and seems to have taken a first-person study of what's going on with the team...

K Major 03-26-2015 10:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 648070)
The 3 most intriguing teams that could swing the 2015 NFL Draft - CBSSports.com

This writer has a pretty decent bead on the Saints and seems to have taken a first-person study of what's going on with the team...

Eli Harold was mentioned as a potential candidate at pick #31.

Thoughts?

lee909 03-27-2015 01:45 AM

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Just read a really interesting piece on Jeff Heuerman(Ohio State TE) on bleacher report. Its worth looking at but i cant post it from phone as you need the pictures for it to make sense.

Sounds a interesting prospect

hagan714 03-27-2015 04:00 AM

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I have been looking at Heuerman as a solid option at TE. IMO he is a bigger version of Watson which is not a bad thing. With the saints so focused on spending money on RB and trades depleting the WR corp of our best talent, the OL has to be key. TE has to be included in this group

So I have to think a solid old school type of TE has to be on the list of needs. Heuerman is definitely one. If he is there in round 3 the saints have to consider him. they have bankrupt the passing attack all for the sake of the ground game and pass protection that a pick like this makes sense

On the flip side we have been saying this for years so i have little hope that saints will go this route. just like the saints investing in even more on the OL to finish the job. they always get to cute and out think themselves in this area of the game. depth up front on both sides of the ball have been sadly addressed over the years.

as a general rule of thumb i have adopted a slogan for the saints.

the saints suck at building a bench.

Meet Ohio State's Jeff Heuerman, the Secret Weapon at TE in the 2015 NFL Draft | Bleacher Report


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