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halloween 65 04-06-2020 01:01 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 884232)
So you'd want to commit your first round pick and not another pick until late on Day 2 to a LBer that flashed mid-late season, and I'd agree impressively, but for only one season?
Maybe. Tons of upside. Passes the eyeball test on the field, tackles well enough and consistantly around the ball and has ball skills. Playmaker ability. Paired with Davis could be promising. I think he could start, and do well enough.

jeanpierre 04-06-2020 10:42 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 884240)
Maybe. Tons of upside. Passes the eyeball test on the field, tackles well enough and consistantly around the ball and has ball skills. Playmaker ability. Paired with Davis could be promising. I think he could start, and do well enough.
And you're not concerned at all about having a complementary defensive end not named Cam Jordan than can be available for the Tournament?

K Major 04-06-2020 11:05 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 884265)
And you're not concerned at all about having a complementary defensive end not named Cam Jordan than can be available for the Tournament?
Scary thought.

Later did we find out Cam Jordan was playing injured in the Vikes 2019 wildcard game. Another pass rusher opposite CJ is needed and necessary.

halloween 65 04-06-2020 12:09 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 884265)
And you're not concerned at all about having a complementary defensive end not named Cam Jordan than can be available for the Tournament?
Myself, I would be more concerned about a DT first than another DE. Crush the middle everything else falls into place. I'm loving the Auburn guy DT/DE Marlon Davidson the more I look at him. I think he would make a huge difference in the D line.

K Major 04-06-2020 12:49 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 884280)
Myself, I would be more concerned about a DT first than another DE. Crush the middle everything else falls into place. I'm loving the Auburn guy DT/DE Marlon Davidson the more I look at him. I think he would make a huge difference in the D line.
At pick #24? ...

jeanpierre 04-06-2020 02:07 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 884280)
Myself, I would be more concerned about a DT first than another DE. Crush the middle everything else falls into place. I'm loving the Auburn guy DT/DE Marlon Davidson the more I look at him. I think he would make a huge difference in the D line.
RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2020)

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown, 95 - Taylor Stallworth, 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2020)

DT3 (2) 93 - David Onyemata (FA 2020), 99 - Shy Tuttle, 98 - Sheldon Rankins

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 97 - Mario Edwards

Onyemata, Rankins, Tuttle, and you've got Mario Edwards on Ready-5 that can play DT3...

Not sure we could even afford another one - what we're shallow at is Defensive End...

K Major 04-06-2020 02:21 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Keep an eye on this Shy Tuttle character in 2020 :D. That had to be one, if not THE greatest stiff arm last season. It was even more ridiculous in slo mo.

As a 2019 undrafted rookie, Ninja Turtle 18 tackles, 2 sacks and one historic INT off Matty Ice :bng:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/4975...temid=15684028

halloween 65 04-06-2020 02:31 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 884294)
RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2020)

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown, 95 - Taylor Stallworth, 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2020)

DT3 (2) 93 - David Onyemata (FA 2020), 99 - Shy Tuttle, 98 - Sheldon Rankins

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 97 - Mario Edwards

Onyemata, Rankins, Tuttle, and you've got Mario Edwards on Ready-5 that can play DT3...

Not sure we could even afford another one - what we're shallow at is Defensive End...
That depends on health but is Rankins going to want a big contract, Ony just got his and Jordans contract is a constant. I don't count on Edwards. Hendricks I like. Tuttle, jurys still out. As far as Rankins goes Rankins is not that dependable, good when on the field but can he stay on the field? Hasn't lived up to his part of the deal with his draft status in my opinion.

halloween 65 04-06-2020 02:35 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 884285)
At pick #24? ...
No, we need to acquire a 2 but doable. You know how Payton don't ever have all 7 picks , ever. My dark horse.

AsylumGuido 04-06-2020 02:52 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 884301)
No, we need to acquire a 2 but doable. You know how Payton don't ever have all 7 picks , ever. My dark horse.
I doubt there are 7 players we could pick up that would make the roster over what we already have available on roster. We have one of the best rosters in the league. ****ty teams can draft seven players that all make the squad. Quantity of picks are less important than quality for better rosters.

halloween 65 04-06-2020 03:09 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 884303)
I doubt there are 7 players we could pick up that would make the roster over what we already have available on roster. We have one of the best rosters in the league. ****ty teams can draft seven players that all make the squad. quantity of picks are less important than quality for better rosters.
I agree but any team that have fewer picks need to do well with those picks. Law of average. Ireland has did well since coming here. A few of those seem kind of steep but have hit on a few also. Garner was a steal.

AsylumGuido 04-06-2020 03:34 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 884304)
I agree but any team that have fewer picks need to do well with those picks. Law of average. Ireland has did well since coming here. A few of those seem kind of steep but have hit on a few also. Garner was a steal.
Yup. That's why I don't mind bundling picks to move up to get more dependable starter quality.

jeanpierre 04-09-2020 07:21 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 884299)
Keep an eye on this Shy Tuttle character in 2020 :D. That had to be one, if not THE greatest stiff arm last season. It was even more ridiculous in slo mo.

As a 2019 undrafted rookie, Ninja Turtle 18 tackles, 2 sacks and one historic INT off Matty Ice :bng:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/4975...temid=15684028


Still the 2019 NFL Call of the Year...

jeanpierre 04-09-2020 08:56 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
JP's Trending Up List of 2020 NFL Draft Prospects - Updated 2020/04/09

No. 24 (R1, 24) DE A.J. Epenesa, Iowa; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 275 lbs.
No. 24 (R1, 24) CB C.J. Henderson, Florida; Height: 6' 1", Weight: 204 lbs.
No. 24 (R1, 24) WR Jalen Reagor, TCU; Height: 5' 11", Weight: 206 lbs.
No. 24 (R1, 24) LB Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 238 lbs.
No. 24 (R1, 24) RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin; Height: 5' 10", Weight: 226 lbs.


No. 56 (R2, 24) Traded to Miami Dolphins (C Erik McCoy)
No. 56 (R2, 24) CB Cameron Dantzler, Mississippi St; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 250 lbs.
No. 56 (R2, 24) TE Cole Kmet, Notre Dame; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 262 lbs.
No. 56 (R2, 24) C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 314 lbs.
No. 56 (R2, 24) DT Justin Madubuike, Texas A & M; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 293 lbs.
No. 56 (R2, 24) RB Clyde Edwards, LSU; Height: 5' 7", Weight: 207 lbs.

No. 88 (R3, 24) WR Antonio Gibson, Memphis; Height: 6' 0", Weight: 228 lbs.
No. 88 (R3, 24) LB Logan Wilson, Wyoming; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 241 lbs.
No. 88 (R3, 24) CB Bryce Hall, Virginia; Height: 6' 1", Weight: 202 lbs.
No. 88 (R3, 24) RT Ezra Cleveland, Boise St.; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 311 lbs.
No. 88 (R3, 24) RB A.J. Dillon, Boston College; Height: 6' 0", Weight: 247 lbs.


No. 130 (R4, 24) TE Harrison Bryant, Florida Atl; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 243 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) CB Reggie Robinson, Tulsa; Height: 6' 1", Weight: 202 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) FS Kenny Robinson, XFL/West Virginia; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 200 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) LG Logan Stenberg, Kentucky; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 317 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) DE Kenny Willekes, Michigan St; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 262 lbs.[/I]

No. 169 (R5, 24) LG Ben Bredeson, Michigan; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 315 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) QB James Morgan, Florida Int’l; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 229 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) TE Colby Parkinson, Stanford; Height: 6' 7", Weight: 252 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) WR Stephen Guidry, Mississippi St; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 201 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) NT Leki Fotu, Utah; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 330 lbs.

No. 203 (R6, 24) LB Tanner Muse, Clemson; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 227 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) WR Dezmon Patmon, Washington St; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 225 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) CB Lamar Jackson, Nebraska; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 206 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) TE Jacob Breeland, Oregon; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 252 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) QB Anthony Gordon, Washington St.; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 205 lbs.

No. 238 (R7, 24) Traded to NY Giants (CB Eli Apple)
No. 238 (R7, 24) RG Jon Runyan, Michigan; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 306 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) LB Jordan Mack, Virginia; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 241 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) DE Casey Toohill, School; Stanford: 6' 4", Weight: 250 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) CB James Pierre, Florida Atlantic; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 242 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) WR Kendrick Rogers, Texas A&M; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 208 lbs.

jeanpierre 04-11-2020 11:29 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Can't help but wonder if the interests in NT Leki Fotu, Utah; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 330 lbs. may be Saints are unhappy with what they spent on Brown...

ChrisXVI 04-12-2020 11:42 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
You know, the only early round WR that I’ve heard any rumblings about the Saints being interested in is Brandon Aiyuk. They always like someone that we least expect.

ChrisXVI 04-12-2020 07:11 PM
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ChrisXVI 04-13-2020 03:57 PM
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jeanpierre 04-14-2020 08:57 PM
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turbo_dog 04-15-2020 09:21 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 884731)
JP's Trending Up List of 2020 NFL Draft Prospects - Updated 2020/04/09



No. 56 (R2, 24) CB Cameron Dantzler, Mississippi St; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 250 lbs.
Is that right? A cornerback who is 6'4", 250? What's his 40 time?

K Major 04-15-2020 09:31 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 885244)
Is that right? A cornerback who is 6'4", 250? What's his 40 time?
Typo.

jeanpierre 04-15-2020 10:30 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
JP's Trending Up List of 2020 NFL Draft Prospects - Updated 2020/04/09

No. 24 (R1, 24) DE A.J. Epenesa, Iowa; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 275 lbs.
No. 24 (R1, 24) CB C.J. Henderson, Florida; Height: 6' 1", Weight: 204 lbs.
No. 24 (R1, 24) WR Jalen Reagor, TCU; Height: 5' 11", Weight: 206 lbs.
No. 24 (R1, 24) LB Kenneth Murray, Oklahoma; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 238 lbs.
No. 24 (R1, 24) RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin; Height: 5' 10", Weight: 226 lbs.


No. 56 (R2, 24) Traded to Miami Dolphins (C Erik McCoy)
No. 56 (R2, 24) CB Cameron Dantzler, Mississippi St; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 188 lbs.
No. 56 (R2, 24) TE Cole Kmet, Notre Dame; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 262 lbs.
No. 56 (R2, 24) C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 314 lbs.
No. 56 (R2, 24) DT Justin Madubuike, Texas A & M; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 293 lbs.
No. 56 (R2, 24) RB Clyde Edwards, LSU; Height: 5' 7", Weight: 207 lbs.

No. 88 (R3, 24) LB Logan Wilson, Wyoming; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 241 lbs.
No. 88 (R3, 24) TE Harrison Bryant, Florida Atl; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 243 lbs.
No. 88 (R3, 24) CB Bryce Hall, Virginia; Height: 6' 1", Weight: 202 lbs.
No. 88 (R3, 24) RT Ezra Cleveland, Boise St.; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 311 lbs.
No. 88 (R3, 24) RB A.J. Dillon, Boston College; Height: 6' 0", Weight: 247 lbs.


No. 130 (R4, 24) WR Antonio Gibson, Memphis; Height: 6' 0", Weight: 228 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) CB Reggie Robinson, Tulsa; Height: 6' 1", Weight: 202 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) LG Logan Stenberg, Kentucky; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 317 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) FS Kenny Robinson, XFL/West Virginia; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 200 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) DE Kenny Willekes, Michigan St; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 262 lbs.[/I]

No. 169 (R5, 24) LG Ben Bredeson, Michigan; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 315 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) QB James Morgan, Florida Int’l; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 229 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) TE Colby Parkinson, Stanford; Height: 6' 7", Weight: 252 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) WR Stephen Guidry, Mississippi St; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 201 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) NT Leki Fotu, Utah; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 330 lbs.

No. 203 (R6, 24) LB Tanner Muse, Clemson; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 227 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) WR Dezmon Patmon, Washington St; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 225 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) CB Lamar Jackson, Nebraska; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 206 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) TE Jacob Breeland, Oregon; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 252 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) QB Anthony Gordon, Washington St.; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 205 lbs.

No. 238 (R7, 24) Traded to NY Giants (CB Eli Apple)
No. 238 (R7, 24) RG Jon Runyan, Michigan; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 306 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) LB Jordan Mack, Virginia; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 241 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) DE Casey Toohill, School; Stanford: 6' 4", Weight: 250 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) CB James Pierre, Florida Atlantic; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 242 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) WR Kendrick Rogers, Texas A&M; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 208 lbs.

jeanpierre 04-15-2020 10:32 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 885244)
Is that right? A cornerback who is 6'4", 250? What's his 40 time?
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 885246)
Typo.
Well, in my mind, yes... ;)

Thanks, Bros, I've updated it...

Really like to see you guys list some prospects y'all like!

Don't let the coding worry you, you can click Quote, delete the Quote brackets before and after the text, and the edit as you see fit...

MarchingOn 04-15-2020 01:33 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
What happened to LB McQueen? I'd like him if he lasted to the 2nd and wouldn't be sad if we took him in the 1st.

Pick no WRs early in a WR-deep draft. Last time, we did anyway with B. Cooks (over Landry in the 2nd). Didn't optimize.

Liked WR Antonio Gibson even when JP projected him in the 3rd. Really like if the 4th.

Prefer a 1st round trade down for 2nd round/plus but (if keeping our 1st):

No. 24 (R1, 24) DE A.J. Epenesa, Iowa; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 275 lbs.

No. 56 (R2, 24) Traded to Miami Dolphins (C Erik McCoy)

No. 56 (R2, 24) C Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 314 lbs.


No. 88 (R3, 24) LB Logan Wilson, Wyoming; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 241 lbs.
No. 88 (R3, 24) TE Harrison Bryant, Florida Atl; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 243 lbs.
No. 88 (R3, 24) RT Ezra Cleveland, Boise St.; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 311 lbs.


No. 130 (R4, 24) WR Antonio Gibson, Memphis; Height: 6' 0", Weight: 228 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) CB Reggie Robinson, Tulsa; Height: 6' 1", Weight: 202 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) LG Logan Stenberg, Kentucky; Height: 6' 6", Weight: 317 lbs.
No. 130 (R4, 24) DE Kenny Willekes, Michigan St; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 262 lbs.[/I]

No. 169 (R5, 24) LG Ben Bredeson, Michigan; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 315 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) QB James Morgan, Florida Int’l; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 229 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) TE Colby Parkinson, Stanford; Height: 6' 7", Weight: 252 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) WR Stephen Guidry, Mississippi St; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 201 lbs.
No. 169 (R5, 24) NT Leki Fotu, Utah; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 330 lbs.

No. 203 (R6, 24) LB Tanner Muse, Clemson; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 227 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) WR Dezmon Patmon, Washington St; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 225 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) CB Lamar Jackson, Nebraska; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 206 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) TE Jacob Breeland, Oregon; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 252 lbs.
No. 203 (R6, 24) QB Anthony Gordon, Washington St.; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 205 lbs.

No. 238 (R7, 24) Traded to NY Giants (CB Eli Apple)
No. 238 (R7, 24) RG Jon Runyan, Michigan; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 306 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) LB Jordan Mack, Virginia; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 241 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) DE Casey Toohill, School; Stanford: 6' 4", Weight: 250 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) CB James Pierre, Florida Atlantic; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 242 lbs.
No. 238 (R7, 24) WR Kendrick Rogers, Texas A&M; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 208 lbs.[/B][/QUOTE]

jeanpierre 04-16-2020 08:05 AM
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jeanpierre 04-16-2020 08:09 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Big question re: Where to take Antonio Gibson is where do the Saints envision him? As a WR or a RB? or both?

To me, he's a cross between a Steve Smith-type WRz and a WR3; some scouting services including Steve Shoup are convinced he's a RB.

Reviewing many of the mocks/sims, he's going anywhere between the late 3rd to the 5th, so I moved him down into the 4th.

jeanpierre 04-16-2020 08:18 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Some of my problems with Queen are:

His length in the Saints 4-3/Nickel/Heavy Nickel is gonna be a problem, that's a big reason why I believe Robertson is kept on special teams nearly exclusively...

Queen is quick, fast, just not that fast that he can compensate for that length; Think in terms of a WR with a big catch radius, a taller LBer will have reach to minimize those areas...

Another issue is Queen only has a half season of good tape; now that tape looks really good, and he's efficient - but do we want just efficient in Round 2 or a playmaker?

Believe the better fit for him will be on the inside in a 3-4 like the Steelers where he can complement and clean up a lot of plays, racking up tackle stats, maybe forcing fumbles...

In full transparency, maybe being superstitious, as a franchise we've not a good track record with LBers in the 1st round, Alvin Toles in '85, Mark Fields in '95, Stephone Anthony in '15...

Lastly, have said this before, two years ago - I've come to realize linebackers are nearly obsolete in today's NFL game...


Value in taking LBers in the draft and staying power doesn't warrant a first round pick about like RBs have been reduced as well...

To me, if you're gonna use a first round pick, use it on a player that can give 10-12 years to a franchise where you've leverage, control contractually...

That's why first round picks are so valuable (unless you're Sean Payton) and I really believe trade charts should be updated to reflect this...

K Major 04-16-2020 11:53 AM
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I believe you can get a dawg linebacker in the middle rounds. Niners Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw were 3rd and 5th rounders respectively already playing at a good to high level.

Don't trust Queen or Murray in the first round. The only linebacker I'd draft in the first is Isiah Simmons and he'll be long gone by the time we pick.

K Major 04-16-2020 12:17 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Maybe the Saints surprise us and move up to get a QB in the 1st?

Tua? Jordan Love perhaps?

jeanpierre 04-16-2020 12:29 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 885378)
Maybe the Saints surprise us and move up to get a QB in the 1st?

Tua? Jordan Love perhaps?
Tua's had more than the hip injury, but can't get past that injury...

Rather have Josh Love over Jordan Love; Jordan Love is just soerratic...

K Major 04-16-2020 12:52 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 885379)
Tua's had more than the hip injury, but can't get past that injury...

Rather have Josh Love over Jordan Love; Jordan Love is just soerratic...
JP -

Jalen Hurts. This is a sleeper draft selection ...

He's won a ton of games in a very difficult SEC, skins on the wall, made a successful transition from one school offense to the next, Heisman finalist etc ... he understands the game, smart & elusive.

IMO this kid could be a very intriguing pick that teams are sleeping on. Kind of like how some did with Lamar MVP Jackson.

FWIW Kurt Warner is really high on his ability and translating that to the next level.

I'm just not sold on a lot of other prospects not named Burrow. Jalen is intriguing to me though.

MarchingOn 04-16-2020 03:17 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 885339)
Big question re: Where to take Antonio Gibson is where do the Saints envision him? As a WR or a RB? or both?

To me, he's a cross between a Steve Smith-type WRz and a WR3; some scouting services including Steve Shoup are convinced he's a RB.

Reviewing many of the mocks/sims, he's going anywhere between the late 3rd to the 5th, so I moved him down into the 4th.
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He's the WR I want. So many good college RBs who did well as WR and this one already IS a WR.

MarchingOn 04-16-2020 03:22 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 885340)
Some of my problems with Queen are:

His length in the Saints 4-3/Nickel/Heavy Nickel is gonna be a problem, that's a big reason why I believe Robertson is kept on special teams nearly exclusively...

Queen is quick, fast, just not that fast that he can compensate for that length; Think in terms of a WR with a big catch radius, a taller LBer will have reach to minimize those areas...

Another issue is Queen only has a half season of good tape; now that tape looks really good, and he's efficient - but do we want just efficient in Round 2 or a playmaker?

Believe the better fit for him will be on the inside in a 3-4 like the Steelers where he can complement and clean up a lot of plays, racking up tackle stats, maybe forcing fumbles...

In full transparency, maybe being superstitious, as a franchise we've not a good track record with LBers in the 1st round, Alvin Toles in '85, Mark Fields in '95, Stephone Anthony in '15...

Lastly, have said this before, two years ago - I've come to realize linebackers are nearly obsolete in today's NFL game...


Value in taking LBers in the draft and staying power doesn't warrant a first round pick about like RBs have been reduced as well...

To me, if you're gonna use a first round pick, use it on a player that can give 10-12 years to a franchise where you've leverage, control contractually...

That's why first round picks are so valuable (unless you're Sean Payton) and I really believe trade charts should be updated to reflect this...
"Alvin Toles in '85, Mark Fields in '95, Stephone Anthony in '15"

OK, you've convinced me...err, reminded me: I WOULD be sad about a LB pick in the first.

Although, I wanted Kendricks with that pick we took Anthony. Most said "too small so too risky." I think Kendrick's proven he was good enough for that late 1st.

K Major 04-16-2020 03:37 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Late round flyer (5th or 6th) ...

Javelin Guidry - CB Utah


jeanpierre 04-16-2020 04:14 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Now he's getting projected as high as late in the 3rd (when we pick) but a CB that I like is CB Reggie Robinson, Tulsa; Height: 6' 1", Weight: 202 lbs....

jeanpierre 04-16-2020 04:15 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
He's a on the light side to take in the first round, but Cam Dantzler really intrigues me as our CB2...

K Major 04-16-2020 04:41 PM
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I like the size on Danztler. He's not Greedy Williams skinny but slim ... he'll add bulk in a NFL weight room program.

jeanpierre 04-17-2020 12:07 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 885418)
I like the size on Danztler. He's not Greedy Williams skinny but slim ... he'll add bulk in a NFL weight room program.
Some, he's just got a narrow frame like Westbank, Keenan Lewis...

jeanpierre 04-17-2020 12:08 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Unlike others, I do put a lot of stock in the Wonderlic - ...and some of these scores are disconcerting...

And now I can see why the Saints may be high on Aiyuk...

K Major 04-17-2020 12:53 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 885468)
Unlike others, I do put a lot of stock in the Wonderlic - ...and some of these scores are disconcerting...

And now I can see why the Saints may be high on Aiyuk...

https://twitter.com/First_N_Goal1/st...59917057744897
If Sean and co are truly interested in Brandon … just reach out to Coach Herm Edwards. He'll provide a true, honest assessment and no sugar coating.

The one thing I do like about Brandon is his ability for yards after the catch. Something Jr and 3quan Smith failed to do in 2019.

I think he's a Day 2 draft selection. Smart kid though & could become the eventual replacement for Smith at the (X) receiver position.


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