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AsylumGuido 03-21-2023 02:16 PM
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AsylumGuido 03-21-2023 04:49 PM
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Finally official. Championship!

AsylumGuido 03-21-2023 04:51 PM
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SmashMouth 03-21-2023 05:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 971818)

AsylumGuido 03-21-2023 09:52 PM
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Roach is back in the house.

SmashMouth 03-22-2023 01:34 PM
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K Major 03-22-2023 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971867)
Good enough to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl however we were robbed of the given opportunity @ the end :rolleyes:.

WW_Who_Dat 03-22-2023 06:13 PM
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Will never forget indefensible injustice committed against The Saints and integrity of the game with that non call.

AsylumGuido 03-22-2023 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 971884)
Will never forget indefensible injustice committed against The Saints and integrity of the game with that non call.
Yup. About as pissed off as I can ever remember being. I became as totally indignant and irrational as, er, perhaps as bad as Bako. Pretty bad. I was miserable. I even signed one of those stupid petitions.

AsylumGuido 03-23-2023 08:21 AM
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GM Cam Jordan at it again.

saintsfan1976 03-23-2023 08:33 AM
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Buckner could also be released post 6/1 with no cap impact.

So what's better for New Orleans - trade + restructure or wait for cut + new contract?

AsylumGuido 03-24-2023 10:30 AM
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AsylumGuido 03-24-2023 10:38 AM
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I had totally forgot that Vaughn Johnson went to NC State. He showed up the year after my last year with the newspaper there. Although, I was there when Bill Cowher was playing his whole career.

AsylumGuido 03-24-2023 10:47 AM
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SmashMouth 03-24-2023 11:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 971928)

SmashMouth 03-24-2023 11:28 AM
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K Major 03-24-2023 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 971938)
Bryan didn't play much last season with the Falcons due to injury.

He's working on team #4 in 3 seasons as a pro.

But the real question is if he's a potential upgrade over Trequan Smith :rolleyes: ?

K Major 03-24-2023 12:36 PM
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I've never seen Trequan make a contested td catch like this before.

Not to mention he's a YOUNGER (24) GUY. Yes, let's bring him in.

K Major 03-24-2023 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 971897)
Buckner could also be released post 6/1 with no cap impact.

So what's better for New Orleans - trade + restructure or wait for cut + new contract?
At least make the call. I'd be willing to give up a 3rd for Buckner. He's a legit defensive lineman.

Cam needs help. Davenport is gone & Turner can't seem to stay out of the medical tent.

SmashMouth 03-25-2023 12:16 PM
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Just saw coach Hazbeen's halftime speech of the Sea Dragons, XFL. Very motivational speech... He said : Keep Scoring !!!
I wonder just what kind of adjustments that implied ?!?

Rugby Saint II 03-25-2023 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 971930)
I had totally forgot that Vaughn Johnson went to NC State. He showed up the year after my last year with the newspaper there. Although, I was there when Bill Cowher was playing his whole career.

https://twitter.com/RobMcLamb/status...22068406353921
He was a hell of a defensive player! He shares a birthday with my twin brother and me. Yesterday was a good day.

Rugby Saint II 03-25-2023 12:36 PM
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It's time to bring in another round of mid tier free agents before the draft.

AsylumGuido 03-26-2023 05:11 PM
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I have a feeling that Turner stays healthy this year and has a breakout season.

AsylumGuido 03-26-2023 06:11 PM
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At least he's self aware.

AsylumGuido 03-27-2023 08:17 AM
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From linked article:

On Friday, the NFL announced the offseason workout schedule for all 32 teams. The New Orleans Saints first day of workouts will be held on Monday, April 17th.

OTA workouts will be held on: Monday, May 23rd - Wednesday 25th, Tuesday, May 30th - Thursday, June 1st and Tuesday, June 5th - Thursday, June 8th.

Their mandatory minicamp will be held on Tuesday, June 13th - Thursday, June 15th. Rookie minicamp dates will be announced at a later date.

AsylumGuido 03-27-2023 08:39 AM
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From article linked above:

Teams that often tank and go into a rebuild rarely climb back out of it. The Jets, Browns, Lions, Jaguars, Texans, Bears, and Dolphins wasted years of their fans’ time promising that they just needed to bottom out and get another quarterback with the first or second overall pick before they’d turn it all around. In many cases they never improved, and the coaches and general managers tasked with pulling off the tank-and-rebuild were fired by frustrated owners who didn’t enjoy the process as much as conventional wisdom suggests they would.

AsylumGuido 03-27-2023 08:52 AM
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Even new Saints addition, Khalen Saunders, notes the simple mindedness of Saints cap critics.

papz 03-27-2023 09:36 AM
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Are you going to report your own post for calling people simple minded though?

Just curious.



Anyways, it's not simple minded to be concerned about how we operate. It's all about the circumstance that we're in. Now that we have a legitimate quarterback, "kicking the can" is just fine since we're competing and the cap going up year to year. Now if Dalton or Winston was the starting quarterback for the next couple of seasons, what we're doing doesn't as much sense. The key is being able to see both sides of the argument which some refuse to acknowledge. There's merit to both sides.

K Major 03-27-2023 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 972024)
Are you going to report your own post for calling people simple minded though?

Just curious.



Anyways, it's not simple minded to be concerned about how we operate. It's all about the circumstance that we're in. Now that we have a legitimate quarterback, "kicking the can" is just fine since we're competing and the cap going up year to year. Now if Dalton or Winston was the starting quarterback for the next couple of seasons, what we're doing doesn't as much sense. The key is being able to see both sides of the argument which some refuse to acknowledge. There's merit to both sides.
+1.

SmashMouth 03-27-2023 10:17 AM
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He should be upset... it's cost him a lot of $. And it's cost the Saint an extra number 1 pick.

AsylumGuido 03-27-2023 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 972024)
Are you going to report your own post for calling people simple minded though?

Just curious.



Anyways, it's not simple minded to be concerned about how we operate. It's all about the circumstance that we're in. Now that we have a legitimate quarterback, "kicking the can" is just fine since we're competing and the cap going up year to year. Now if Dalton or Winston was the starting quarterback for the next couple of seasons, what we're doing doesn't as much sense. The key is being able to see both sides of the argument which some refuse to acknowledge. There's merit to both sides.
The success of the methodology being used by the Saints for the last decade plus depends upon it's being continued as long as the cap continues to skyrocket. To suddenly abandon the philosophy defeats that purpose. That is the simple-mindedness of the Twitter users to which Saunders was addressing in his post and of which I was agreeing.

Yes, there could be merit to both approaches but not when you consider dumping one approach for another in midstream. Correct?

AsylumGuido 03-27-2023 10:52 AM
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My criticism of the critiques of social media hacks of the Saints off-season free agent moves is because almost all of them are basing their stance not upon the quality of the moves themselves, but because the Saints management refused to dump players to go into a virtual tank situation and instead choosing to remain competitive moving forward. That is simple-minded on a Dr. Seussian scale as implied in the Twitter post that I posted.

AsylumGuido 03-27-2023 11:28 AM
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rezburna 03-27-2023 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 972039)
My criticism of the critiques of social media hacks of the Saints off-season free agent moves is because almost all of them are basing their stance not upon the quality of the moves themselves, but because the Saints management refused to dump players to go into a virtual tank situation instead of choosing to remain competitive moving forward. That is simple-minded on a Dr. Seussian scale as implied in the Twitter post that I posted.
I agree with this 100%. The Saints aren’t being judged by the moves they made, but instead by the idea that they should tank because they aren't a "true contender" in the eyes of the media. Prior to that everybody said we needed a QB. We got a 4x Pro Bowler. They said we needed help at RB. We picked up Jamal Williams, league leader in TD's last year. We retained an All-Pro WR. We let a bust walk at DE. We've added depth and competition at Safety. Our interior defensive line got bigger and stronger. It's ridiculous.

Rugby Saint II 03-27-2023 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 972031)
He should be upset... it's cost him a lot of $. And it's cost the Saint an extra number 1 pick.
He's not the only one who's upset! :argue:

I was wrong about Davenport, who I said would make us forget about spending two first round draft picks on a developmental pick. I thought we'd be getting a dominant stud and not a highly questionable draft pick who was an impact player when available. He was never available though.

K Major 03-27-2023 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 971943)
I've never seen Trequan make a contested td catch like this before.

Not to mention he's a YOUNGER (24) GUY. Yes, let's bring him in.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1345867345877561345

https://twitter.com/i/status/1460082705555615744
The Saints are signing WR Bryan Edwards.

Source - Ian Rapoport of NFL Media.

Trequan days are probably numbered.

K Major 03-27-2023 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 972046)
I agree with this 100%. We retained an All-Pro WR. We let a bust walk at DE. We've added depth and .
I would question those on staff who thought Davenport would perform better @ 275 vs 265. He looked totally different in 2022. No burst.

If you hadn't noticed, Payton Turner is BIGGER (heavier) than his original weight as a rookie as well.

rezburna 03-27-2023 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 972073)
I would question those on staff who thought Davenport would perform better @ 275 vs 265. He looked totally different in 2022. No burst.

If you hadn't noticed, Payton Turner is BIGGER (heavier) than his original weight as a rookie as well.
They love big DE's man. I don't get it.

Boston Saint 03-27-2023 03:36 PM
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They love big DE's man. I don't get it.
I love big DEs too…as long as they’re quick as hell! 😝

SmashMouth 03-27-2023 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 972061)
The Saints are signing WR Bryan Edwards.

Source - Ian Rapoport of NFL Media.

Trequan days are probably numbered.
ONOZZ.... What will TreQ do?


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