2016 NFL Draft Prospect Thread ...............

[hagan714]

Jalen Ramsey Vs Darron Lee

Jalen Ramsey, FS/CB/OLB Florida State, 6005, 209
Hands 9 1/2 Arms 33 3/8 Wing
40 4.41
20 2.57
10 1.51
3 Cone 6.94
20 Shuttle 4.18
60 Shuttle 11.10
Bench 14
Vertical 41.5
Broad 135

Darron Lee OLB/SS Ohio State 6006 232 4.47
Hands 9 3/4 Arms 33 1/4 Wing
40 4.47
20 2.60
10 1.54
3 Cone 7.12
20 Shuttle 4.20
60 Shuttle
Bench 17
Vertical 35 1/2
Broad 133

They are mirror images of each other. The only difference is Ramsey has coverage skill that make him a great FS. Lee does not so he is IMO a SS playing LB. He would be an upgrade to KV probably. If Lee had better ball skills, which he may have, then I would be open to the idea a little bit more. If you are drafting a safety this high he better have ball skills.

Want a boobie prize on day 2 of the draft? here you go Ramsey clone #3

Sean Davis S/CB Maryland 6011 201
Hands 9 1/2 Arms 31 3/8 Wing
40 4.46
20 2.60
10 1.56
3 Cone 6.64
20 Shuttle 3.97
60 Shuttle 11.53
Bench 21
Vertical 37.5
Broad 126

SS or FS makes no difference. Line him up next to Byrd day 1. Ball hawk, solid tackler and creates fumbles. Saints get the second best FS/SS/CB in the draft behind Ramsey. He is the next best thing to Ramsey in the draft and might be there in round 3. Put 20 to 30 more pounds on the kid and you have a poor mans Lee at OLB but this time he has coverage and ball skills. Which in my opinion is a waste, just like playing him at CB last year. FSU did the same stupid thing.

I really like this kid. He did much better at the combine than I thought he would and would not be surprised to see him go in round 2. If the saints went this route I would be happy and have a big crow in freezer ready to eat. wait I still have my Rob crow so I am all set.

[jeanpierre]

The 2013 NFL Class was a supposed deep class at safety...

Three were taken in the first round alone (Vaccaro, Reid, Elam)...

And Jacksonville took Jonathan Cyprien at the top of the second...

Other than Reid, most have had little, if any, individual impact...

Every other year we hear about this deep, class of defensive linemen...

This year's class is no different, many are ranked way too high...

I find patience in the draft when the position is deep with talent is better...

In the 2012 draft, Denver GM Elway felt the position was deep and waited...

He selected DE Derek Wolfe in round 2 and Malik Jackson in round 5...

We should show the same patience with regards to this deep DL draft...

[jeanpierre]

Good Read: Behind the curtain: An all-access pass to the Saints at the 2016 NFL Combine

[hagan714]

needs should never be the driving force in a draft. it is just a guide at best.

bpa baby bpa

it will sort itself out in a couple of years.

[jeanpierre]

(excerpt) Here are the 10 pro days to watch heading into the 2016 NFL Draft
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
March 6, 2016 2:46 pm ET

Here are the top 10 pro days to watch:

Alabama, March 9: QB Jacob Coker, DT Jarran Reed, ILB Reggie Ragland

Who to Watch and Why:...

Clemson, March 10: CB Mackensie Alexander, DE Kevin Dodd...

Ohio State, March 11: DE Joey Bosa, RB Ezekiel Elliott, CB Eli Apple, SS Vonn Bell...

UCLA, March 15: OLB Myles Jack...

Arkansas, March 16: TE Hunter Henry, RB Jonathan Williams, RB Alex Collins...

Baylor, March 16: WR Corey Coleman, DT Andrew Billings, DE Shawn Oakman...

California, March 18: QB Jared Goff, WR Kenny Lawler...

USC, March 23: OLB Sua Cravens, C Max Tuerk...

Utah, March 24: RB Devontae Booker...

Mississippi, March 28: WR Laquon Treadwell, OT Laremy Tunsil, DT Robert Nkemdiche...


Source: Here are the 10 pro days to watch heading into the 2016 NFL Draft - CBSSports.com

[jeanpierre]

Teams Grading Xavien Howard in the Early Rounds
Updated Feb. 23, 2016
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Every year, there are some early-entry players in the NFL Draft who go under the radar with the media despite teams being impressed with them. In speaking with sources at five different teams, Baylor cornerback Xavien Howard would fit that description this year. All five teams had Howard graded in the first three rounds, with some being very bullish about his NFL prospects. No team had Howard lower than an early third-round pick.

One team picking in the top 10 said they have a first-round grade on Howard and project him going late in the first. Another playoff team said they had Howard graded as a high second-round pick. Two other teams said they had Howard on the bubble of the second and third round. Those were the lowest grades on Howard among the five teams. The fifth team saw him as a mid second-round pick.

Sources say they wouldn't be surprised if Howard becomes a hot name at or after the NFL Scouting Combine. The 6-foot-2, 200-pounder has great size, and teams are impressed with his 2015 tape. As a junior, Howard totaled 42 tackles with 10 breakups and five interceptions for the Bears. He isn't a one-year wonder either. In 2014, he had 51 stops with 13 breakups and four interceptions.

Comment on this story here.
Read more at WalterFootball.com: NFL Draft Rumor Mill

[jeanpierre]

Teams Don't View Laquon Treadwell as a Top-10 Talent
Updated Feb. 5, 2016
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Over the past two seasons, the NFL Draft has produced some strong classes of wide receivers. This year, the draft isn't as strong at wideout, but that hasn't stopped the media from hyping up Ole Miss wide receiver Laquon Treadwell. It isn't surprising, as Treadwell was a star recruit coming out of high school, and he was a 3-year producer at Ole Miss. There have been lofty comparisons with Treadwell to other elite receiver prospects, but NFL teams aren't grading Treadwell that high. In fact, most of the teams we've spoken to have Treadwell as a late first-rounder, with only one saying they have him as mid first-round pick.

The teams that are grading Treadwell as a late first-rounder say whoever likes him enough to draft him might do so in the middle of the first round. A general manger of a playoff team believes that Treadwell is a little overrated, and he views him as a big, strong, possession receiver in the NFL. Two other teams said they had Treadwell as a late first-rounder. One college scouting director said Treadwell could go in the mid first because this a weak year for receivers and teams will draft out of need at the position.

The reason that teams aren't as high on Treadwell as the hype machine is a lack of speed to separate. They view Treadwell as a big, strong, long, possession receiver with good hands. He routinely uses his size and strength beat defensive backs for 50-50 passes. However, he isn't fast or explosive. He isn't a vertical threat to stretch a defense over the top. If Treadwell had speed, he'd be similar to Julio Jones or A.J. Green and a top 10-pick. Teams say they aren't expecting Treadwell to run fast at the Combine.

The team that has Treadwell graded as a mid first-round pick, and liked him more than others, believes he has some characteristics similar to the Texans' DeAndre Hopkins in the ability to win 50-50 passes. Hopkins was a late first-rounder in the 2013 NFL Draft, but Houston clearly out-scouted the rest of the league, as Hopkins is one of the best players to come out of that draft class.

If the 6-foot-2, 229-pound Treadwell runs well at the Combine, it could help to change some minds and push his draft grade higher. Right now, teams see him in the middle to back half of the picks on Thursday night with a grade of a late first-rounder being held by many teams.

Read more at WalterFootball.com: NFL Draft Rumor Mill

[jeanpierre]

R1, S12 (Pick 12) WR Laquon Treadwell, Mississippi; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.

R2, S16 (Pick 47) DB Xavien Howard, Baylor; Height: 6’ 1”, Weight: 200 lbs.

R3, S15 (Pick 78) DE Bronson Kaufusi, Brigham Young; Height: 6’ 6”, Weight: 285 lbs.

R4, S14 (Pick 114*) TE Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky; Height: 6' 6"; Weight: 249 lbs.

R5, S13 (Pick 155*) LB Nick Vigil, Utah State; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 239 lbs.

R6, S12 (Pick 192*) TRADED this pick with 2015 Sixth Round Pick traded for DB Damian Swann

R7, S16 (Pick 230*) OG Jordan Rigsbee, California; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 308 lbs.

And it all starts to come together...

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

R1, S12 (Pick 12)

R2, S16 (Pick 47) DB Xavien Howard, Baylor; Height: 6’ 1”, Weight: 200 lbs.

sell me on this kid. I would think of him more of a safety. I like the way they summed him up. 'see ball, get ball' attitude. but i see a kid that will require safety help deep. he is incredible at roughing up WR in coverage especially down field. He has the talent but his instincts worry me. for being so physical his run support is really lacking in effort. So as a CB he is a major project. As a SS safety he seems to lack desire. As a FS he has to answer the IQ question. i am just lost on this kid and the hype he is getting to make him a second rounder.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by hagan714

sell me on this kid (Xavien Howard)

See previous page to start (http://blackandgold.com/saints/75959...tml#post694741)...

Xavien Howard, Baylor, Cornerback

Xavien Howard || "X-FACTOR" || Baylor Highlights - YouTube

Xavien Howard || "X-FACTOR" || Baylor Highlights - YouTube

Hagan...watch his closing speed, like you said "go get ball", just absolutely amazing...

soft, soft hands - he intercepts the ball over the shoulder better than most pro prospect receivers...

his size gives us a big DB to match up on the larger receivers; he would smother smaller ones like Josh Norman did to Cooks on end zone routes...

he could play both safety and cornerback; could allow Damian Swann to move to Free Safety...

and my favorite...Howard can absolutely bring the wood, decleating smaller running backs...