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Danno 01-28-2013 03:22 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 475894)
Jessie Williams, AL?
You may be on to something here JP. I read Rang's report on him (One of my favorites) and being that he compared JW's upside to Vince Wilfork damn sure got my attention...

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Analysis
STRENGTHS: Has a naturally wide frame with relatively short limbs, giving him the low center of gravity conducive to holding up at the point of attack.


Possesses unbelievable weight-room strength (600 pound bench press) that translates well onto the football field due to his use of leverage and surprisingly good technique considering the fact that he's a relative neophyte who only took up the game at age 15 and has played just four seasons of football in the United States.

Has improved his use of hands over his two seasons at Alabama and has developed into a cognitive defender capable of reading the action, shedding the block with heavy, active hands and making the tackle in the hole.

Has the length to play outside as a five-technique defensive end, a role in which he initially played during his junior season with the Tide before sliding inside to the nose as a senior. Good phone-booth quickness and plays hard, competing to the whistle.

Also served as Alabama's short-yardage fullback in 2012, a testament to his power and aggression. An ascending talent with passion and work ethic to improve.

WEAKNESSES: Bit of a one-trick pony as Williams does not possess the quickness or the agility to collapse the pocket as a pass rusher. Must do a better job of protecting his knees as he is susceptible to cut blocks. Too often raises his pad level at the snap, negating some of his power and making him all the more vulnerable to cuts, as he possesses only moderate flexibility.

Has to do a better job of getting his hands up in passing lanes as he rarely gets home as a pass rusher (just three passes broken up in 25 career starts at Alabama).

Plays with good effort but lacks lateral agility and struggles to knock down ballcarriers with any room to maneuver.

COMPARES TO: Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots -- Like the Patriots' run-stuffing nose guard, Williams isn't going to pressure the quarterback often but his size and strength will make him a force in the middle.

--Rob Rang

hagan714 01-29-2013 02:06 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
he always looked soft me. 600 lbs bench nice. want to see his rep counts at the combine

jeanpierre 01-29-2013 06:53 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 476230)
he always looked soft me. 600 lbs bench nice. want to see his rep counts at the combine
I think Jessie Williams may surprise and pop into the late first round...

jeanpierre 01-30-2013 09:03 AM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 01/30/2013)

01 Alec Ogletree, LB, UGA

02 Goodelled (Bacarri Rambo, FS, UGA)

03 David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State

04 Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State

05 Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff

06 Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina

07 Cody Davis, SS, Texas Tech

lee909 01-30-2013 09:18 AM
Who are you cutting to bring in Bell?

Danno 01-30-2013 09:25 AM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 476502)
Who are you cutting to bring in Bell?
Ivory may be a goner. Bell is probably a practice squad candidate for a year or so.

We could also save 2.5 million by cutting PT, which I strongly disagree with.

FinSaint 01-30-2013 11:07 AM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 476497)
JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 01/30/2013)

So, the Saints would need to pick up a NT from the FA pool or would you be content with just Bunkley and Hicks... and maybe Tyrunn Walker (6-3, 294) as added depth, although he would need to bulk up and he might be a better DE?!

papz 01-30-2013 12:51 PM
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I'm not okay with drafting a running back with our 4th rounder. I'm not okay with drafting a running back period. Let's say Ivory is gone, hurt, or whatever. That still leaves us with Ingram/PT/Sproles/Cadet. No need to waste a pick on another back... just pick one up via UDFA or FA. Backup running backs are a dime a dozen and we've always done a good job finding hidden talent.

jeanpierre 01-30-2013 02:18 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
PT is the best screen back after All-Day in the business; that said, Saints brass may be looking to trim down the roster and Bell's size, blocking, and screen abilities are comparable and are great value when we draft in round 4...

I would love to trade back in first round and pick up another third rounder or gain a second rounder so we could nab either Jessie Williams, Alabama, NT or Brandon Williams, NT, Missouri Southern; but I don't think they'll be there in the third round and I don't won't to rely on a fourth or fifth rounder at NT to hold the point of attack in the new 3-4 scheme...

I'm projecting based on what will be there when we pick...

Ivory will probably be tendered as either a third/fourth round pick, so he may be gone if someone like Arizona, Green Bay, Miami, Pittsburgh or Atlanta signs him...

RaginCajun83 01-30-2013 02:25 PM
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Bell has talent but they can't even get the running backs they have now enough carries. Even if they loose one, Cadet can fill in. This team was/is horrible on defense so most picks need to improve that side of the ball then again offensive line needs help too

hagan714 01-30-2013 02:32 PM
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Ivory is an IR waiting to happen every year. thats the real knock against him

hagan714 01-30-2013 02:44 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 476497)
JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 01/30/2013)

01 Alec Ogletree, LB, UGA
Alec Ogletree ? ok i do not get this pick. I love his skills set but he is a project. just another upside player in the first round of the draft in my book. I would rather see a different pick here

my fears are well be cap driven with the pick and go OT.

FinSaint 01-30-2013 03:17 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
The more film I watch and the more reports I read - Dion Jordan seems like the guy to use that 1st round pick on, but if he isn't available when the Saints pick, I wouldn't mind seeing them trade back.

On one mock I saw the Saints picking Kwame Geathers (6-5, 355) NT out of Georgia on their 4th round pick, and after reading some stuff about him, I think he might be a catch if he is available in the 4th or even in the 5th as some have projected him.

jeanpierre 01-30-2013 04:56 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 476584)
Alec Ogletree ? ok i do not get this pick. I love his skills set but he is a project. just another upside player in the first round of the draft in my book. I would rather see a different pick here

my fears are well be cap driven with the pick and go OT.
Initially I had us taking Fisher - but he may have played himself into the top 10...

Ogletree's athleticism is off the charts and will allow him to play in a 3-4 right away...

Remember that 3-4 assignments aren't as complicated as 4-3 and are more of one read and react/play...

hagan714 01-30-2013 05:15 PM
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Ogletree's athleticism is off the charts and thats the main reason he is so high on the boards. nothing against his play i just think the hype has him higher than he should be.

god i hate this range in round 1

K Major 01-30-2013 09:51 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno (Post 474839)
And he should. He's still a bit raw and a little light against the run. Bama used him more in pass coverage than on 1st down. He frequently came out on run downs.
Last time I heard the words 'raw', we ended up with some guy named Patrick Robinson.

hagan714 01-31-2013 05:45 AM
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raw and upside are two words i have grown to fear over the years in round 1

Danno 01-31-2013 08:45 AM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 476645)
Last time I heard the words 'raw', we ended up with some guy named Patrick Robinson.
And Jimmy Graham and Akiem Hicks.

jeanpierre 01-31-2013 09:52 AM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
And that's why Spagnulo and Flajole were jettisoned - not coaching up the draftees...

...there's nothing wrong with drafting talented athletic players who need development - you just gotta coach them up and get your return on investment back quick in this league or you're done...

...we've not done that except on the offensive side of the ball...

CharityMike 01-31-2013 10:04 AM
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I think they were canned because of there lack of adjustments. Spags was to hard headed and was trying to force square pegs into round holes.

IMO, coaching up players falls on the shoulders of assistants. I know the DC has a part in it to but it is the assistants job to implament and teach the DC's plan.

K Major 01-31-2013 11:36 AM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
I'm just curious to see who will run this defense and what personnel changes will be made. To be continued...

hagan714 01-31-2013 02:20 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
cap fire sale?

triman 01-31-2013 05:30 PM
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NT RUSH LB S, I hope we can trade down in a deep Defensive draft. Just how far and with who is the question. Trading into the 20s and picking up a 2nd rd pick would serve us well. Losing that #2 really Sucks. Thanks Commish.

jeanpierre 01-31-2013 05:57 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 01/31/2013)


Saints Trade Back, and still select

01 (Trade)

01 (20-25) Alec Ogletree, LB, UGA

02 Goodelled

02 (Trade) Brandon Williams, NT, Missouri Southern

03 David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State

04 Tharold Simon, CB, LSU

04 (Compensatory/Ivory) Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State

05 Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane

06 Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina

07 Cody Davis, SS, Texas Tech

Geaux :saintsfan:

Danno 01-31-2013 06:04 PM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 476810)
JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 01/31/2013)


Saints Trade Back, and still select

01 (Trade)

01 (20-25) Alec Ogletree, LB, UGA

02 Goodelled

02 (Trade) Brandon Williams, NT, Missouri Southern

03 David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State

04 Tharold Simon, CB, LSU

04 (Compensatory/Ivory) Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State

05 Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane

06 Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina

07 Cody Davis, SS, Texas Tech

Geaux :saintsfan:
We aren't getting a compensatory pick. We gained more free-agents than we lost, money wise.

hagan714 01-31-2013 07:35 PM
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now here is a thought. the saints are bluffing and throwing a curve ball at all the other nfl teams before the draft.

i would lmao and sign the front office praise song

yes i would video tape my happy dance and post it.

ok back to the 34

who would trade up?

who wants to leap frog the rams?

additional pick candidates

Traded Round 1 Picks:
St Louis gets Washington 1st round pick (Robert Griffin)

Traded Round 2 Picks:
Miami gets Indianapolis 2nd round pick (Vontae Davis)
Cincinnati gets Oakland 2nd round pick (Carson Palmer)

Traded Round 3 Picks:
San Francisco gets Carolina 3rd round pick (Frank Alexander)
Miami gets Chicago 3rd round pick (Brandon Marshall)

Traded Round 4 Picks:
Minnesota gets Detroit 4th round pick (Tahir Whitehead and 2012 picks)
Tampa Bay gets New England 4th round pick (Aqib Talib)

Bengals have the cap space, the picks and feel they are ready for the push into the play offs

I go with the Bengals
21(800)
37 (530)
50 (400)
rd 3 83 (175)

rd1 15 (1050)
rd 3 77 (205)

I can see a deal were the Saints get
21(800)
50 (400)

the bengals get

rd1 15 (1050) - ILB or DE
Manti Te'o is my pick


saints now have the 21st pick

and the 50th in the second round


If not my next selection for trading partners is the bears or dallas but lets keep in the AFC please

triman 01-31-2013 11:44 PM
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Bengals are a posibility,. Ogletree, Sylvester Williams NT

jeanpierre 02-01-2013 07:11 AM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno (Post 476812)
We aren't getting a compensatory pick. We gained more free-agents than we lost, money wise.
If Ivory is a restricted free agent, is assigned a value (say a fourth round contract) and another team meets/exceeds it, we should get the value pick regardless of other free agents...

I may have been wrong to use the compensatory language, but we gain the restricted free agent pick...

lee909 02-01-2013 07:17 AM
Are teams likely to take ivory with a 4th.
I would have thought there is better value elsewhere.

Danno 02-01-2013 07:51 AM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 476905)
If Ivory is a restricted free agent, is assigned a value (say a fourth round contract) and another team meets/exceeds it, we should get the value pick regardless of other free agents...

I may have been wrong to use the compensatory language, but we gain the restricted free agent pick...
Oh, I see what you did there now. My mistake. That may be a good tactic to swap out some of the "mis-fits" in our system.

Low ball the RFA tender in hopes of getting at least something for them. I hate to let decent players go for nothing.

We might have a player that doesn't fit our new 3-4, but is a decent player. We tender him low and at least get a late round pick out of it.

What are the new RFA tender levels and compensation?

lee909 02-01-2013 07:59 AM
2013 Restricted Free Agent Tender Amounts

First-round tender $2.879 million

Second-round tender $2.023 million

Original round tender $1.323 million

Right of first refusal tender $1.323 million

papz 02-01-2013 08:00 AM
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Restricted free agent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Are teams likely to take ivory with a 4th.
I would have thought there is better value elsewhere.
Teams aren't going to bite at a 4th round tender. He's been too brittle.

Danno 02-01-2013 08:04 AM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 476918)
2013 Restricted Free Agent Tender Amounts

First-round tender $2.879 million

Second-round tender $2.023 million

Original round tender $1.323 million

Right of first refusal tender $1.323 million
Look at Lee on the spot!!!! Awesome dude. Thanks.

Now for your next assignment... who are our RFA's and what original round compensation do they carry?

lee909 02-01-2013 08:05 AM
Challenge accepted

Danno 02-01-2013 08:10 AM
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Brian De La Puente C RFA
Justin Drescher C RFA
Junior Galette DE RFA
Michael Higgins TE ERFA
Nick Hixon CB RFA
Chris Ivory RB RFA

Rafael Bush S ERFA
Eric Olsen G ERFA
Too slow grasshopper, we don't have anyone we can get a pick out of.

Even with Ivory, we aren't getting a 2nd and he was undrafted so we're not getting squat for him.

lee909 02-01-2013 08:23 AM
My Internet connection is a nightmare at work.They seem to think I should be watching cameras or something.

Danno 02-01-2013 08:38 AM
Re: 2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 476929)
My Internet connection is a nightmare at work.They seem to think I should be watching cameras or something.
Sorry, no soup for you.

Thats basically the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. :p

We could get a 2nd out of de la Puente, but I'd much rather keep him than get a 2nd for him.

lee909 02-01-2013 08:42 AM
He did eat it Sir.
I promise you I spent she's on that book report.It was about this Falcon that flew really high and nearly made it to the Golden dome in the sky.Then it got nervous and coked,fell right back down to earth never to be seen again.

hagan714 02-01-2013 12:41 PM
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ivory a fourth lol nahhhhhh

he would be part of a package deal in a trade if anything

comp pick for loosing our all pro OG is possible. late round due to the none pro bowl players we signed

Rugby Saint II 02-01-2013 05:27 PM
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Well, isn't this just a quandry?
We really can't say for sure until we hire a DC. Do we run a one gap or two gap 3-4?


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