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Thanks for all of your efforts & leadership Vilma! As for those other two... stealing money and NEVER lived up to their 1st round statuses. It won't hurt my feelings one bit to see Smith and Ellis on different teams in 2013. |
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Smith has been a good player for the Saints, so I wouldn't be so quick to throw him under the bus along with the much more deserving Mr. Ellis. It wasn't Smith's (or his agent's) fault that the Saints went and gave Charles Grant that big contract, which pretty much stipulated what Smith had to get when his contract was being renewed, so I would blame the organization more about the fact that Smith is being paid more than he is worth on the field. Smith can still be a productive player, I just don't see him fitting into any of the 3-4 positions with ease, and so I think that it would be in the best interest of both parties if he was cut and he found some other team to play for.
Still, I appreciate all that Smith has given to this team during his years with the Saints, and I do wish him the best of luck with his future career. Oh, and stating that Smith never lived up to his 1st round status is just bull crap - he did a whole lot more than most 1st rounders for the team that selected him! :bng: |
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Overpaid doesn't mean bust. It shouldn't be a factor in discussing how good or bad a player is. Smith is a good player, at times he's been great and other times not so much. The compensation for his talents is another discussion completely. Just like Harper. Good player, grossly overpaid. Thomas Morstead, great punter, grossly overpaid. Jimmy Graham, great player, grossly underpaid. |
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Man you been beating on that dude since we drafted him. Now he is the best or 2nd best punter in the NFL. Time to cut the guy some slack.
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I have no problem with Morstead. I HAVE NOT BEEN BEATING ON MORSTEAD. He's an elite punter and I'm glad we have him... but he's still just a Punter. And to this day no one has proven that its NOT the least important position in all of football, outside of longsnapper of course. They're gaining on FB's, but still a step behind IMO. |
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Well, you know it was as worthy of a response as a debate about this subject deserves. Everyone knows that a punter is not the most important player on a roster, but just as well, everyone knows that any team would find it hard to win games without having one on their roster. |
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JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 02/03/2013)
Saints Trade Back Scenario 01 (Trade) 01 (20-25) Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia 02 Goodelled 02 (Trade) David Amerson, CB, NC State 03 David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State 04 Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia 05 Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane 06 Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina 07 Cody Davis, SS, Texas Tech Geaux :saintsfan: |
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I like that draft.
I consider changing the 5th rounder though. Seen both of these players as 5th rounders on Drafttek mock WR Marcus Davis 6`4" 230lb Virginia Tech he word “upside” has become cliché in the world of scouting, usually describing a player with exceptional physical attributes but without great production. If any player in the 2013 draft class can be described with that word, it’s Davis. The six-foot-four, 230-pound receiver with a 40-plus inch vertical jump and sub-4.5 speed has shone brightly at times for the Hokies. Now that the Hokies’ top two receivers, Jarrett Boykin and Danny Coale, have moved on to the NFL, Davis has his chance to become the playmaker his size and speed measurements predict. Davis was a quarterback and receiver in high school (while also playing defense), and dipped his feet into both positions in his first year in Blacksburg. He moved from quarterback to receiver in order to make an instant impact, rather than sitting on the bench behind starter Tyrod Taylor. Unfortunately, a right shoulder injury during pre-season practices forced Davis to redshirt the season. He managed only five catches for 125 yards the following year, including an 80-yard touchdown against Boston College. Davis’ role grew a bit in 2010, starting two of the 14 games he played and catching 19 passes for 239 yards and two scores. He took another step forward in 2011, getting the call for eight starts in 14 contests (though he missed significant parts of two games with a sprained right foot), finishing third on the team in receiving (30-510, 5 TD). Analysis Strengths Possesses prototypical size and speed combination to be an outside NFL starter. Smooth runner off the line and turns on a second gear downfield that allows him to separate. His size overwhelms smaller cornerbacks, can fight through their advances and go over the top to take away the jump ball. Uses his body to shield corners on slants. Flashes the footwork to stop and separate on out routes after pushing his man upfield. Good concentration to track the ball over his shoulder on deep balls. Can be a bullish runner after the catch, also capable of spinning away from tackles after a stop route then turn on the jets. Has the size and length to dominate corners in the run game. Weaknesses Still learning the position, must take advantage of increased opportunities and experience as a senior and show scouts he can handle the complexity of NFL offenses. Body-catches passes thrown into his frame. Want-to as a blocker is lacking. Does not attack targets or lock onto smaller defenders often enough, will throw a shoulder instead of using his hands. Must consistently run out his routes, even when he knows he’s not the primary target. NFL Comparison Marques Colston Bottom Line This former quarterback has an elite combination of size and speed, but has only flashed those skills (30 catches, 510 yards, five TD in 2011) so far with the Hokies. Successfully stepping into a starring role with the Hokies in 2012, with the help of junior quarterback Logan Thomas, should shoot Davis up draft boards in a hurry; his senior year and Scouting Combine performances will be the difference between his being a top 50 and mid-round selection. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OG Brian Winters 6`6" 2984b Kent St. verview Winters was an all-state pick in Ohio as a high school senior, and also earned three letters in wrestling. Usually scouts like when offensive linemen have grappling backgrounds, as that sport helps them learn to use their hands to control their opponent. But Winters actually injured his left shoulder during a match his sophomore year, and it became a major problem after popping out of place in the third game of the 2011 season. He played through the pain, however, showing another attribute typically possessed by successful wrestlers -- toughness. KSU coaches liked what they saw in him as a true freshman, placing him in the starting line-up at right tackle. The rest of the league’s coaches also appreciated his talents early on, voting him third-team all-conference in 2010 as a full-time starter (first eight games at left tackle, last four at right tackle). They pushed him up a notch after his junior year, naming him second-team All-MAC as he again started every game on the blind side. Winters kept that job in 2012 and started all 14 games at left tackle. He finally had something to block for, as Dri Archer broke out as one of the top playmakers in the country. Archer was lighting in a bottle, but Winters set the tone with his thunderous hits. Analysis Strengths Finishing plays is not an issue, steps out to attack his man quickly after the snap, latches on like he’s beginning a wrestling match, and then keeps his legs moving to sustain. Throws smaller ends to the ground if they let up as the whistle blows. Plays with a wide base and the natural flexibility to drop his hips in pass protection, yet has the foot quickness to mirror on the outside and maneuver himself into an inside position while engaged. Fires off the ball in short-yardage situations despite his height, and churns his feet moving to move the pile. Effective combo blocker, as well, as he can seal the tackle and then negate a linebacker using his length and quickness. His frame has the room to grow, and his footwork is strong enough to redirect defenders away from his quarterback or running back if he gets in trouble. Weaknesses Occasionally gets pushed off-balance and thrown aside by stronger opponents, and might be susceptible to veterans ripping down because he likes to latch on up top instead of keeping his head up and arms extended. Stops his feet while punching, allowing ends to get the inside lane or turn the corner. NFL Comparison Jake Scott Bottom Line Winters is a tough finisher at left tackle, garnering plenty of recognition as a long time starter. The former high school wrestler likes to latch on up top, which can cause him leverage problems against better defenders, but he possesses the athleticism to be a late second to early third day pick and a solid NFL starter at guard or tackle in a zone-blocking system. |
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OG Kyle Long 6`7" 311lb
Oregon Overview Long looked to be on the road to professional success as a two-sport high school star in Charlottesville, Va. The son of Pro Football Hall of Fame defensive end Howie Long (84 sacks in 13 seasons) and brother of Chris Long, the former No. 2 overall pick of the St. Louis Rams in 2008, had the freakish size and athleticism to excel as an all-state baseball pitcher and first baseman, as well as an offensive and defensive lineman for back-to-back state champions at St. Anne’s-Belfield High School. The lefty pitcher decided to accept a scholarship to Florida State to play baseball after spurning the advances of the Chicago White Sox, who selected him in the 23rd round of the 2008 draft. He lasted only one semester in Tallahassee, however, failing to make grades and eventually being cited for a DUI charge. After spending time at home to ponder his future, he decided to enroll at Saddleback Junior College for the 2010 season. He played defensive end in his first year there (16 tackles, two for loss, sack) and then moved to the offensive line as a sophomore. He chose Oregon over several other FBS suitors coming out of Saddleback, and started 10 out of 12 games for the Ducks on the offensive line despite his relative lack of experience. Applied for a sixth year of eligibility via a medical redshirt, but was denied. Both Howie and Chris Long have referred to Kyle as the best athlete of the family. Analysis Strengths Looks the part of an NFL lineman. Has nice height and long, thick arms, which he can extend to keep defenders at bay in pass protection (sometimes using one hand to ward off his man while on the move). Can turn smaller tackles out of the hole with his upper body strength. Decent leg strength and very good flexibility for his height, as well, which helps him drop his hips and anchor and explode from his stance. Excellent mobility given his size, has no issues moving behind the line or pulling in front of plays -- hitting multiple targets at times. Solid on combo blocks when maintaining his bend, and also displays the footwork to get the outside angle on run blocks, move well on zone plays, and also sustain while his man is trying to spin out of pass pro blocks. Plays with attitude, backs up his teammates on the field, cleans up piles. Weaknesses Still new to the game of football, and his play is still a bit unrefined. Doesn’t always play with the natural bend he possesses. Overextends off the snap at times trying to land his punch, losing his balance and allowing his man to disengage. Similarly, will lunge at linebackers when he reaches the second level. Struggles to keep his hands inside of the defender, and will “catch” his assignment. Seems to second guess himself in space or get partial, glancing blows when blocking on the move instead of driving his man to the ground. Rocky start to his college career at Florida State. NFL Comparison Brandon Albert Bottom Line The son of Hall of Fame defensive end Howie Long and current St. Louis Rams end Chris Long is making his name on the offensive line for the Ducks. The two-sport star in high school enrolled at Florida State to play baseball (he was a 23rd round pick of the White Sox in 2008), but struggles there caused him to regroup at home for a while before attending Saddleback Junior College. Even as a one-and-done contributor for the Ducks on the line, Long’s combination of size and athleticism won’t be ignored by NFL scouts, who will see his great potential as a starting guard or tackle. Not sure he will last but currently down as a 6th rounder |
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We've got to start finding Bree's replacement now...
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Seems to early for me.
If he sits behind Brees for 3 years and then takes over,we will end up paying big money quickly.These new rookie contracts are pretty good if you can get a starting QB in year 1,max 2. |
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Aaron Rodgers drafted 2005; became starter 2008...
I think that sets up an excellent example... |
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Newton, Dalton, RG3, Kaepernick, Luck, Wilson, Freeman, Rivers, Ryan, Brady, P. Manning, E. Manning, Roethlisburger, Tanneyhill. All became successfull starters within one or two years, most in year 1. Its at least 3 years too early to draft a replacement. |
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drew is how old? time to seriously start looking
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If Chase Daniel is not the man - we need to make a draft commitment now; and if a QB is the best player available on the board, I expect the Saints to do just that...
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I know it was only a flag football game, but when I saw Chase this past weekend, it was very depressing. As a Daniel supporter, he looked nothing like a quarterback. He was short, stumpy, his arm strength looked questionable, decision making was horrible, among other things. I really hope it was from a lack of trying... because Nelly the rapper, looked leaps and bounds better than Daniel.
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We have much more pressing concerns than a frigging back-up QB who'll never play a down for 4 to 6 more years. Franchise QB's don't need 5 years to develop. |
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Michael Lewis was out there and looked like the fastest player on the field. That was with Dez Bryant among others on the field. Dez Bryant is a monster I'd like to add. So impressive... but, it seems his best friend out there was Plaxico Burress. They went everywhere together. |
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Don't need to draft a QB for 2 years. That would be dumb dumb dumb. If we didn't have too many needs I'd be fine with it. Way too many needs.
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I can see taking a guy like Jordan Rodgers in the 6th or 7th no sooner.
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i can live with a late round player SP wants to spend time on to develop
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I've been digging Sharrif Floyd a lot lately. Now while I think Florida sucks, I was very impressed with Florida's interior line when LSU played them. I think he has some Gerald McCoy in him.
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But I agree, the young man looks like a top flight prospect... ...and I like his character; he published a open letter to GatorNation explaining his decision and thanking them for the support - not bad... |
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I've been reading up on him and he played both inside and outside last season for them.
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no bush then what?
Lane Johnson OT 3 Oklahoma Sr 6-6 302 1 Oday Aboushi OT 5 Virginia Sr 6-5 310 2-3 David Quessenberry OT 12 San Jose State rSr 6-5 294 3-4 Terron Armstead OT 14 Arkansas-Pine Bluff Sr 6-5 306 4-5 I could live with the saints stopping the milking the OT and take two in the draft. |
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JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 02/06/2013)
Saints Trade Back Scenario 01 (Trade Down) 01 (20-25) Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia; Height: 6-3. Weight: 236; Estimated 40 - 4.6. Excellent all-around athlete; Playmaker, Production with Sacks, Pass Defensed, Int; Character Issues - suspended four games for positive pi$$ test... Why he'll be drafted by Saints? Wouldn't be surprised if the interview of Todd Grantham is to get more insight into reasons behind Ogletree's suspension... 02 Goodelled 02 (52-57) David Amerson, CB, NC State; Height: 6-2. Weight: 194; Estimated 40 - 4.4. Led nation as sophomore with thirteen (13) interceptions; can move to Safety (position he was recruited for out of High School; will match up well against big, physical NFL receivers; had disappointing Junior Year which will cause him to fall to second round... Why Saints should draft him? The Saints have to get as physical with receivers as the new NFL passing defense rules will allow which mean physical engagement at the LOS and reducing the passing windows quarterbacks may throw over smaller DBs to WRs... 03 David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State; Height: 6-5. Weight: 295; Estimated 40 - 5.1. Rising prospect; Smaller school product that took advantage of his invite at the Senior Bowl and really held his own against some very polished pass rushers. Why the Saints will draft him? The Saints are different than most teams in that they commit their resources (salary cap) to their interior line; but the tackle play has been less than stellar and rumor is that Bushrod and the Saints will be far apart on contract expectations; a young, quicker, hungrier Tackle may be the ticket to energize what has been one of the best units in the league... 04 Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia; Height: 6-6. Weight: 355; Estimated 40 - 5.2. Big Strong Junior Early Entry from Georgia; Good Bloodlines; Excellent Prospect who'll be available in mid rounds as he still needs some coaching... Why Saints Should Draft Him? This is Jumpy Geathers' Nephew! 05 Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina; Height: 6-7. Weight: 275; Estimated 40 - 4.8. Another player who's stat lines declined this year after being named First Team All-SEC last season; his big frame offers some unique matchups, however he'll have to match up against slower right tackles; but in a 3-4, his focus will be more on occupying lineman allowing the linebackers to attack... Why the Saints will draft him? He's exactly the type of value the Saints always seem to find in the mid-rounds; and with plenty of defensive ends available the past two season, he should be available... 06 Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane; Height: 6-5. Weight: 206; Estimated 40 - 4.9. Pedestrian numbers for a typically disappointing Tulane Squad this past season- 9GS, 2771 PaYd, PaCp 62.2, 19 PaTD, 11 Int; so what's the big deal? He shows up at the Texas v. The World Game and surrounded with comparable talent to the other signal callers he blows it outta there with Scouts scrambling moving this All-Academic Signal Caller up draft boards... Why the Saints Will Draft Him? Curtis Johnson, former Saints WR Coach, is the new Tulane Head Coach and will give Sean Payton a no-nonsense, first-hand scouting report that will sneak the Saints an excellent prospect at QB... 07 Cody Davis, SS, Texas Tech; Height: 6-2. Weight: 205; Estimated 40 - 4.5. Four year starter and excellent tackler and hitter; should offer solid depth and an excellent special teams player... Why the Saints should draft him? He's just the type of player Sean Payton likes - scrappy, tenacious, overlooked; and the Saints special teams play costs them no less than two games this past season... |
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i really like his overall skill set. he is this years Micheal Orr of the draft imo. solid player with little hype. shame he had such a good showing at the senior bowl. stock is up. I never included him because of the area of the draft he was in. plus my gut says Bush will not be around in 2013 |
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Round 1: Dion Jordan - OLB/DE - Oregon
- just makes a ton of sense with our switch to a 3-4 and the need for a rush linebacker. Jordan has also been compared to Aldon Smith, which is high praise! Round 3: Bacarri Rambo - FS - Georgia - good hands, plays the run and pass well. Can have some breakdowns at times but is coachable. Has a history of drug use (suspended 4 games last season) but could be a high reward guy Round 4: Leon McFadden - CB - San Diego State - A shade under 5'10, but a great cover corner who can stick to receivers. Did great at the Senior Bowl Round 5: Montori Hughes - DT - Tennessee Martin - big DT at 6'4 and 328 lbs. Plays with a lot of passion and energy. Knows he has to bring it each play or someone may take his job. We could use a young guy behind Bunkley also Round 6: Mansi Foketi - OT - West Texas A&M - a little raw, but has violent hands and is able to mirror speed rushers. Once he's coached up, he could develop into an absolute mauler at LT. Round 7: Mychal Riviera - TE - Tennessee - doesn't have the "elite" TE height (only 6'3), but is a good receiver and improving blocker who isn't afraid to mix it up and won't back down. |
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