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:arrow:Michael Williams, TE, Alabama? put a few pounds on him and he could be a RT. tackle eligible all game long anyone? first tackle middle screen in nfl history? We need a blocking TE Quote:
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He can be 5'10"... He also better be able to run a 4.2 40 and have a 50" vertical leap.
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going to take a closer look at this kid.
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An actual well thought out article from Bleacher Report today.
Ive posted it here as it covers the draft but also Trading Harper and cutting/signing players I wont post the whole article but its breaks down as Trade Harper to Rams/Titans as he fits systems(Greg Williams) for a 3rd and 7th round pick.(Not sure we would get a third) Cut Getting rid of Harper's salary coupled with making some of the older Saints cap casualties would be a great start to this offseason. Will Smith, Jonathan Vilma and Jabari Greer are all on the downside of their careers, and all three of them are are hamstringing a salary cap that is already $14 million over before the offseason has begun. The trio, or some combination of them, could be brought back at discounted rates later in training camp.After making these four moves, the Saints salary cap number would go from deep in debt to $22 million in the black after clearing $36 million off the books. would we cut that much? Seems high to me Sign The moves to make would be signing Dallas OLB Anthony Spencer, Baltimore CB Cary Williams, ILB/ST Larry Grant, Chicago WR/ST Johnny Knox and Atlanta OT Sam Baker. I think there are some better options for depth than he has on here personaly Re-sign Making these moves, worth about $15 million, as well as re-signing Chase Daniel, Junior Galette, Brian de la Puente, Rafael Bush and Elbert Mack, could be the foundation for a very good draft. His draft First Round: Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas Third Round: Brandon Williams, NT, Missouri Southern Third Round (from TEN/STL): Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego St. Fourth Round: David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose St. Fifth Round: William Gholston, DE, Michigan St. Sixth Round: Meshak Williams, OLB, Kansas St. Seventh Round: Terrence Brown, CB, Stanford Seventh Round (From TEN/STL): Quanterus Smith, OLB, Western Kentucky Looking through it im not sure on that draft personally and would try to move back in the first round(trade with Bengals,the can move up to get needed LB,WR,S)we get a 3/5. 1(Trade back Bengals 3&5th) Kevin Minter/Alex Ogletree/Arthur Brown LB 3(Titans) Baccari Rambo S 3 Brandon Williams NT 3(BEN) Jordan Reed/Gavin Escobar TE 4 B.W. Webb/Blidi Wreh-Wilson/Leon McFadden CB 5 Terron Armstead/Xavier Nixon OT BPA 5 Rodney Smith(Florida St WR / JJ Wilcox FS 6 Micah Hyde CB/ David Bass OLD,DE 7 Reid Fragel LOT/ Josh Boyd DT / (Ten/Rams) Philip Lutzenkirchen TE 7 BPA 3rd Gavin Escobar TE 6'6" 255lb San Diego St. Gavin Escobar Draft Profile Jordan Reed TE 6'3" 225lb Florida St. Jordan Reed Draft Profile 4th B.W Webb CB 5'11" 180lb William & Mary B.W. Webb Draft Profile Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB 6'2" 190lb Connecticut Blidi Wreh-Wilson Draft Profile Leon McFadden CB 5'10" 185lb San Diego St. Leon McFadden Draft Profile 5th Terron Armstead OT 6'5" 304lb Arkansas-Pine Bluff Terron Armstead Draft Profile Xavier Nixon 6'6" 309lb Florida Xavier Nixon Draft Profile Rodney Smith WR 6'6" 219lb Florida St. Rodney Smith Draft Profile J.J Wilcox FS 6'0" 215lb Georgia Southern J.J. Wilcox Draft Profile 6th Micah Hyde FS 6'1" 190lb Iowa Micah Hyde Draft Profile David Bass DE/OLB 6'5" 275lb Missouri Western David Bass*|*Missouri Western,*DE*:*2013 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile 7th Reid Fragel LOT 6'8" 298lb Ohio St. Reid Fragel Draft Profile Josh Boyd DT 6'2" 300lb Mississippi St. Josh Boyd Draft Profile Philip Lutzenkirchen TE 6'5" 250lb Auburn Philip Lutzenkirchen Draft Profile |
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As has been said here before - by f.e. Danno - Harper probably fits the new defensive system better, because in all likelihood it'll have a clear FS/SS division of labor, which would place Harper closer to the LOS (i.e. his strength). And Bleacher report once again shows how poorly the people writing the articles know how things actually work in the real world! The writer claims: "After making these four moves, the Saints salary cap number would go from deep in debt to $22 million in the black after clearing $36 million off the books". The four moves correlate with Harper being traded, which would naturally transfer his contract and all its responsibilities to the new club, and would, therefore, clear up the $7.1M. But when stating the clearing off of $36M from the cap - it would mean that the trio of Smith, Vilma, and Greer would all need to also be traded, because if they're cut, it wouldn't mean that all of their salaries would clear off the cap. Cutting Smith would free up $7.7M, cutting Vilma would free up $6M, and cutting Greer would free up $1.45M (according to my calculations). So, while all of their cap hits for 2013 would add up to almost $36M - the moves the writer is proposing would only free up little over $22M, so there's a $14M gap between the real life world and the hypothetical world the writer apparently lives in. |
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I didnt think his his sums added up with regards to the contracts.
Personally i would not be against trading Harper,or opposed to keeping him if he restructures his contract.Do you think we could get a third and seventh for him? |
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Probably with the right trading partner - not saying it's probable, but anything is possible under the right circumstances. I'm in the same boat with you on Harper, I wouldn't be against him sticking around, but he would need to renegotiate his contract in that case. But if a team offered a 3rd and a 7th along with taking his contract over - it would be difficult to not jump on that offer. |
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would we cut that much?
i would not be surprised if we do gut a lot of the cap heavy players on defense. real question will it be done in one year? thats a lot of cap carry over still. Trades? sure i can see Harper trade with Greg Williams but that would be a hard sell with that contract. the odds of two picks is slim and a 3 rd is a reach. 4th maybe with a restructured deal much like with the bush trade. Mickey always surprises us and i am sure he has more than one game plan already drawn up I do like the baby steps down the draft and getting picks |
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The Titans would be responsible for his yearly salary and all the incentive clauses, work-out bonuses, roster bonuses, but the signing bonus is still on us. It has already been paid to Harper the day he signed the contract. We'd have 3.5 million on his signing bonus count against our 2013 cap. ( I think there's a way we can spread it out over two years, but not sure), so cutting Harper only saves us his salary and roster bonuses (6.25 mill) minus the signing bonus escalation and we end up with only saving 2.75 million. Trading Harper only saves us 2.75 million, not the 7.1 million the author implies. Then again, the new CBA may have changed that, but I don't think it did. I asked the Commish... Question 1.12 |
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OK, I wasn't totally sure about it, so I checked a CBA FAQ thread before posting, and there it said that all contract responsibilities are transfered to the team that'll hold the players rights after the trade. And I took that to mean that they'd have to take on the cap hits from the prorated bonuses and etc, even though the signing bonus has naturally been already paid to the player. It was my mistake to jump to that conclusion, and I probably should've taken a closer look at the actual CBA. |
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JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 02/10/2013)
Saints Trade Back Scenario 01 (Trade Down) 01 (20-25) Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia; Height: 6-3. Weight: 236; Estimated 40 - 4.6. Excellent all-around athlete; Playmaker, Production with Sacks, Pass Defensed, Int; Character Issues - suspended four games for positive pi$$ test... Why he'll be drafted by Saints? Wouldn't be surprised if the interview of Todd Grantham is to get more insight into reasons behind Ogletree's suspension... 02 Goodelled 02 (52-57) David Amerson, CB, NC State; Height: 6-2. Weight: 194; Estimated 40 - 4.4. Led nation as sophomore with thirteen (13) interceptions; can move to Safety (position he was recruited for out of High School; will match up well against big, physical NFL receivers; had disappointing Junior Year which will cause him to fall to second round... Why Saints should draft him? The Saints have to get as physical with receivers as the new NFL passing defense rules will allow which mean physical engagement at the LOS and reducing the passing windows quarterbacks may throw over smaller DBs to WRs... 03 David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State; Height: 6-5. Weight: 295; Estimated 40 - 5.1. Rising prospect; Smaller school product that took advantage of his invite at the Senior Bowl and really held his own against some very polished pass rushers. Why the Saints will draft him? The Saints are different than most teams in that they commit their resources (salary cap) to their interior line; but the tackle play has been less than stellar and rumor is that Bushrod and the Saints will be far apart on contract expectations; a young, quicker, hungrier Tackle may be the ticket to energize what has been one of the best units in the league... 04 Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia; Height: 6-6. Weight: 355; Estimated 40 - 5.2. Big Strong Junior Early Entry from Georgia; Good Bloodlines; Excellent Prospect who'll be available in mid rounds as he still needs some coaching... Why Saints Should Draft Him? This is Jumpy Geathers' Nephew! 05 Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina; Height: 6-7. Weight: 275; Estimated 40 - 4.8. Another player who's stat lines declined this year after being named First Team All-SEC last season; his big frame offers some unique matchups, however he'll have to match up against slower right tackles; but in a 3-4, his focus will be more on occupying lineman allowing the linebackers to attack... Why the Saints will draft him? He's exactly the type of value the Saints always seem to find in the mid-rounds; and with plenty of defensive ends available the past two season, he should be available... 06 Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane; Height: 6-5. Weight: 206; Estimated 40 - 4.9. Pedestrian numbers for a typically disappointing Tulane Squad this past season- 9GS, 2771 PaYd, PaCp 62.2, 19 PaTD, 11 Int; so what's the big deal? He shows up at the Texas v. The World Game and surrounded with comparable talent to the other signal callers he blows it outta there with Scouts scrambling moving this All-Academic Signal Caller up draft boards... Why the Saints Will Draft Him? Curtis Johnson, former Saints WR Coach, is the new Tulane Head Coach and will give Sean Payton a no-nonsense, first-hand scouting report that will sneak the Saints an excellent prospect at QB... 07 Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford; Height: 6-7. Weight: 265; Estimated 40 - 4.7. Red Shirt Junior who's had his moments in the shadows of TE Zach Ertz including an 141 ReYD in the Arizona game and four (4) ReTd on the season; Playing behind Ertz he did not get the same level of coaching and attention and left with a year of eligibility... Why the Saints should draft him? This guy's got monster ability and just needs some coaching; with Graham coming into a contract year and the offense "limited" while Graham was injured all season; this is the type of insurance policy the Saints need behind Graham... |
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he definitely has a nose for the ball. i wish he was bigger because i am worried about him holding up. nice talent
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Think we could get a two and a three for our first round? Think Brandon Williams'll still be there in the third? Don't think much of Geathers, he has a small gas tank.
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Nose Tackles should be rotated...frequently...
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02 (52-57) David Amerson, CB, NC State; Height: 6-2. Weight: 194; Estimated 40 - 4.4.
Led nation as sophomore with thirteen (13) interceptions; can move to Safety (position he was recruited for out of High School; will match up well against big, physical NFL receivers; had disappointing Junior Year which will cause him to fall to second round... Why Saints should draft him? The Saints have to get as physical with receivers as the new NFL passing defense rules will allow which mean physical engagement at the LOS and reducing the passing windows quarterbacks may throw over smaller DBs to WRs; more importantly, we've got to get turnovers... |
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he is one of the players that took a mighty tumble in the draft. mid round 1 at the start of the season
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It would be amazing if Amerson somehow fell to the 3rd round and the Saints could pick him up.
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Draft Order rules need to be changed...
How in the blazes with two teams tied with the same record, Saints and Panthers, and the Panthers slapping us twice in one season do they pick ahead of the Saints? That's another slap... Anyways, we have the No. 15 pick... |
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That is why I'd be amazed if it were to happen, but who knows with the combine still ahead of us; if he tanks there, he might just drop enough on the boards to be available for the Saints. ;-) |
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If Amerson really can run a 4.4 at that size and knows atleast something about playing football we need to find a way to get him. A guy lik ethat can go toe to toe with the big guys like Colston, CJ, Fitz n dem.
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Now jeanpierre, I think you need to get out more.
Georgia NC State San Jose State Georgia South Carolina Tulane Stanford Where's the players from Where the Hell State that we always seem to be pulling out of our hat? You're also forgetting the very good ball players north of the Mason Dixon line. My prediction is Geathers will never be more than mediocre at the pro level. We can do better. Plus we'll pick up some major FA talent at linebacker and our draft picks will totally surprise us. (Especially without GW there to tell everyone what we're doing beforehand.) Quote:
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I did have San Jose State and Stanford in there? Now Georgia has several excellent prospects in Jarvis Jones, John Jenkins, Ogletree, Rambo, and Geathers... I strongly disagree and think Geathers is excellent value where I've got him... The Saints have drafted from the same school multiple times in the same year; if the guys can play, they can play... I should disclose that though I'm an SEC guy, Georgia is probably one of my least favorites in the league... And look, Hagan started this a few years ago where we all put up mocks, wish list, etc - this thread wasn't meant to be just my mock up wish list as I hope everyone would join in with their mock/wish list... And my mock is constantly changing as I use a collection of eight mock draft sites and ranking sites to see what options the Saints may have... Hey, it's what I enjoy when I'm on call at work to pass the time... |
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Just yankin' your chain a bit. I do think Williams is a better bet at NT and that Geathers is going to be another Ellis once he hits the big leagues.
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No Brandon Williams from Missouri Southern. I'm thinking trade our one for a two and a three and picking up Williams in the second.
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Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford; Height: 6-7. Weight: 265; Estimated 40 - 4.7.
Red Shirt Junior who's had his moments in the shadows of TE Zach Ertz including an 141 ReYD in the Arizona game and four (4) ReTd on the season; Playing behind Ertz he did not get the same level of coaching and attention and left with a year of eligibility... Why the Saints should draft him? This guy's got monster ability and just needs some coaching; with Graham coming into a contract year and the offense "limited" while Graham was injured all season; this is the type of insurance policy the Saints need behind Graham... |
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Levine Toilolo 6'8, 265, 4.82 Stanford
very good work ethic No known background issues or run-ins with the law. Has excellent height and good bulk which make him a match-up nightmare, First and foremost his inline blocking is elite He gets off the ball quickly and playing with good pad level. good initial pop to create running lanes. Finishes his blocks well and works to the second level. Head always on a swivel in pass protection, and his long arms allow him to interfere with speed rushers around the outside, Has excellent ball skills and soft hands, good red zone target who goes up and gets the ball. Uses his bulk to shield the football won't run away from many people, arm tackles will not bring him down. wide wingspan and height. Negatives 2010 season with an ACL tear in his right knee Doesn't have the elite speed to run away from people isn't explosive getting off the snap when running routes. Still working to get his route running and pass catching instincts Conclusion His blocking is just elite. Now we need a TE that can block and be a solid receiver in the passing game that is tall enough for Drew to see now we can talk ceiling in day 3 of the draft |
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He does sound good Hagan, at least on paper. I wouldn't mind them picking a TE in one of the bottom rounds if there was one worth picking.
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Toilolo is currently projected 7-FA...
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Undoubtedly the staff will once again be looking very hard at the UDFA pool once the draft is over and done with, and they'll probably try to address most of the depth issues they have on offense through those UDFAs. |
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as long as we are going to stuff Ingram into the running game over Thomas a blocking TE is a major additions the saints must add. Upgrading RT is also on the wish list. while your at it throw in a better blocking center. Face facts the center and both OT can use an upgrade. Center and LT is not that bad but RT is nothing but age and walking IR candidates.
Blocking TE that can catch will go along way for both the offense and special teams. Thomas was a weak link on special teams last year. Bushrod always needs a chip block when dealing with above average DE. Add the kids height and Drew should be able to see him over the OL. There are some nice TE in the draft to fill that role late in the draft If not just trade Ingram. yep i said it. |
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But to sacrifice a pick when help was needed on defense just astounded me; what threw me was to make the investment in Brees and Colston (understandable) knowing that there was little left to develop, sign the necessary offensive linemen and depth to maintain such an attack - nevermind addressing a lack of talent, lack of remaining salary cap, and a lack of draft picks to bolster the defense... Ingram is a talented back, probably should have been a second round pick; but the investment vs the yield had been a failure... |
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...maybe he'll be available in Round 2?!?
Alec Ogletree arrested for DUI Report -- Alec Ogletree, former Georgia Bulldogs linebacker, arrested for DUI - ESPN |
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Great news! I hope he does more boneheaded moves before the draft, so that the Saints could get him with their 3rd rounder. |
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ok we now have MICH St. OC on board so maybe we need to look at which players he may push for the draft. Not only Mich St. but other big ten schools
Dion Sims*, TE, Michigan State Height: 6-5. Weight: 285. Projected 40 Time: 4.80. Projected Round (2013): 2-3. He has been talked about here. that high for a TE? Le'Veon Bell*, RB, Michigan State Height: 6-2. Weight: 238. Projected 40 Time: 4.63. Projected Round (2013): 2-4 Good back but in our rotational system still to high William Gholston*, DE, Michigan State Height: 6-7. Weight: 278. Projected 40 Time: 4.75. Projected Round (2013): 2-4 Skills are there but desire or heart? |
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