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Wished he could have played one season with Darren Sproles and learned the work ethic, dedication it takes to be an All-Purpose Yardage Leader... Sproles opened the offense up like no one except maybe Bush, and even then, Darren was head and shoulders above Reggie in that regard... Not sure what Spiller will bring, if anything, to this offense... Really want BOTH Murphy and Lasco and to win out the No. 2 and No. 3 spots behind Ingram... |
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June OTAs
OFFENSE QB (3) 9 -Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 34 - Tim Hightower, 28 - C.J. Spiller, 38 - Travaris Cadet, 23 - Marcus Murphy, 36 - Daniel Lasco FB (1) 35 - Austin Johnson, 39 - Sione Houma WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 15 - Vincent Brown, 81 - Jordan Williams, 85 - Jared Dangerfield, 17 - Kyle Prater LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 79 - Joseph Cheek, 70 - Ryker Mathews LG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 68 - Tim Lelito, 71 - Kaleb Eulls C (1) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen, 61 - Marcus Henry RG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 78 - Landon Turner, 62 - Cyril Lemon RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 74 - Tyrus Thompson, 67 - Avery Young TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 88 - RaShaun Allen, 80 - Jack Tabb, 86 - Chris Manhertz SR (2) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 83 - Willie Snead, 14 - R.J. Harris, 11 - Reggie Bell, 87 - TommyLee Lewis, 19 - Jake Lampmann DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 77 - D.J. Pettway NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata LEO (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull, *44 - Hau'oli Kikaha WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar, 97 - Tony Steward MLB (3) 53 - James Laurinaitis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Jeff Schoettmer SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 56 - Mike Mauti, 57 - Dillon Lee RCB (3) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 24 - Kyle Wilson, 25 - P.J. Williams, 29 - Tony Carter, 49 - De’Vante Harris SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 33 - Jamarca Sanford, 30 - Erik Harris, 41 - Roman Harper FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 42 - Alden Darby, 26 - Trae Elston LCB (2) 21 - Keenan Lewis, 27 - Damian Swann, 20 - Brian Dixon, 37 - Brandon Dixon, 46 - Ken Crawley, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt KICKING K (1) 5 - Kai Forbath, 3 - Connor Barth P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 45 - Garrett Griffin Projected Starter Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future/UDRFA Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports Note: Roster Unit Nos.: Offense - 43, Defense - 43, Kicking - 4, Total Roster - 90 Note: * 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha hasn't been officially put on IR nor IR-To Return |
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Someone on this roster (specifically Defense) needs to step up in a BIG way for 2016.
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Need a Free Safety to step up and finish strong; whether Kenny V shifts over or Vonn Bell steps in and replaces Byrd... Need all four (4) starters on the defensive line to create a legitimate pass rush without the added blitzer... Need linebacker chemistry, continuity... Need a young, complimentary cornerback to Del Breaux... |
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I still love the personnel on defense this year compared to last. No glaring holes yet!
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June OTAs ***UPDATED***
DEFENSIVE LINE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 77 - D.J. Pettway NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata LEO (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull, *44 - Hau'oli Kikaha Projected Starter Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future/UDRFA Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports Figure on Saints keeping between eight (8), maybe nine (9) defensive linemen on the final (53) intial roster... Early Rankings of our defensive line would be:
Defensive Linemen to watch who're likely to move up: 55 - Davis Tull 96 - Ashaad Mabry 93 - David Onyemata Notes/Observations: *44 - Hau'oli Kikaha is likely lost for most, if not the entire season due to a third lifetime knee injury; he would have been ranked third (3rd) What will be key is keeping the horses fresh so that the Saints can generate a pass rush with four (4) down linemen... A unit strength that pops out is that many individual players do have versatility (e.g. 94 - Cameron Jordan, 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 95 - Tyeler Davison & 93 - David Onyemata)... Of course while having that flexibility will be a plus from week to week, it'll put the onus on D.A. to find best possible match ups... While Davis Tull was a DE in college and is ideally suited as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL, he could still be shifted to backup Anthony at the SAM... It seemed early on that the base defense would be a mimic of Seattle's 4-3 under as this scheme would get the top front seven players on the field at one time... ...now with the Kikaha injury, we may see a more traditional 4-3 where you'd have a four-man DE rotation of Jordan, Richardson, Edebali and Onyemata and a four-man DT rotation of Fairley, Rankins, Jenkins and Davison... DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 93 - David Onyemata NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins DE (2) 98 - Bobby Richardson, 91 - Kasim Edebali That being the case, if a tremendous impression is made by Tull, Gwachum and/or Pettway, you could see as many as nine (9) defensive linemen make the roster... Provided there are no more (nevermind)... Despite the unfortunate, devastating news of the Kikaha injury (God Be With Him), I believe this can be the most improved unit for the team on the talent infusion alone; still would have liked a new defensive line coach... |
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Great D-Line write up JP! I was nervous about that weak side DE position BEFORE Kikaha went down so I'm trying hard to stay optimistic. Not only do these guys have to battle it out against each other but they have to do it against one of the best left tackles in the league in Armstead. We should know REAL quick which guys have any shot at being an adequate starter.
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As was said on another thread, this is a set we should expect to see mucho of this season...
The 4-2-5, the "big nickel" with personnel something like... DEFENSE DE 94 - Cameron Jordan, 93 - David Onyemata NT 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 95 - Tyeler Davison DT 90 - Nick Fairley, 93 - David Onyemata LEO 91 - Kasim Edebali, 55 - Davis Tull WLB 52 - Craig Robertson, 54 - Nate Stupar MLB 53 - James Laurinaitis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 50 - Stephone Anthony RCB 40 - Delvin Breaux, 25 - P.J. Williams RFS 48 - Vonn Bell, 32 - Kenny Vaccaro SS 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris LFS 31 - Jairus Byrd, 27 - Damian Swann LCB 21 - Keenan Lewis, 27 - Damian Swann |
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Does anyone know how the Lions D-Line would line up when they had both Suh and Fairley? I know Suh is capable of being moved around but did Fairley get snaps playing the 1 tech/NT? Or did they line up in more of a wide 9 with both Suh and Fairley playing more of a left/right 3 tech?
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Surprisingly SI had a good write-up on it while they played together... Break It Down: Lions getting creative with Nick Fairley and Ndamukong Suh | SI.com |
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...And if we can't stop 3rd and Long then - then it will never be stopped until a defensive staff is hired by a strong GM and staffed by that GM... |
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We should at the least be very quick. |
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Do you remember in '09 when Gregg Williams defense beat up the offense in training camp and they went to Payton to complain? Payton told them to man up and that season worked out well.:cool: |
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It will be interesting to see what Erik Harris (former CFL'er) does in camp.
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June OTAs
OFFENSE QB (3) 9 -Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 34 - Tim Hightower, 28 - C.J. Spiller, 38 - Travaris Cadet, 23 - Marcus Murphy, 36 - Daniel Lasco FB (1) 35 - Austin Johnson, 39 - Sione Houma WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 15 - Vincent Brown, 81 - Jordan Williams, 85 - Jared Dangerfield, 12 - Kyle Prater LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 70 - Ryker Mathews, 79 - Joseph Cheek LG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 68 - Tim Lelito, 78 - Landon Turner C (1) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen, 61 - Marcus Henry RG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 62 - Cyril Lemon, 71 - Kaleb Eulls RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 74 - Tyrus Thompson, 67 - Avery Young TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 88 - RaShaun Allen, 80 - Jack Tabb, 86 - Chris Manhertz SR (2) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 83 - Willie Snead, 14 - R.J. Harris, 11 - Reggie Bell, 87 - TommyLee Lewis, 19 - Jake Lampmann DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 77 - D.J. Pettway NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata LEO (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull, *44 - Hau'oli Kikaha WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar, 97 - Tony Steward MLB (3) 53 - James Laurinaitis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Jeff Schoettmer SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 56 - Mike Mauti, 57 - Dillon Lee RCB (3) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 24 - Kyle Wilson, 25 - P.J. Williams, 29 - Tony Carter, 49 - De’Vante Harris SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 33 - Jamarca Sanford, 30 - Erik Harris, 41 - Roman Harper FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 42 - Alden Darby, 26 - Trae Elston LCB (2) 21 - Keenan Lewis, 27 - Damian Swann, 20 - Brian Dixon, 37 - Brandon Dixon, 46 - Ken Crawley, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt KICKING K (1) 5 - Kai Forbath, 3 - Connor Barth P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 45 - Garrett Griffin Projected Starter Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future/UDRFA Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports Note: Roster Unit Nos.: Offense - 43, Defense - 43, Kicking - 4, Total Roster - 90 Note: * 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha hasn't been officially put on IR nor IR-To Return |
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I'm pretty psyched to hear Gwacham is up to 270 lbs. He now has almost identical measurables to rookie Jason Pierre-Paul.
JPP 6' 5" 270 lbs 34 3/4" arms 10 3/8" hands 4.78 40 time 19 reps Gwacham 6' 5" 270 lbs 34 3/8" arms 10" hands 4.72 40 time 22 reps Of course I'm not saying he will be JPP, but he's physically ideal for the job. |
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Obum is actually ahead in strength and speed. Wow, better than JPP? We can only hope at this point and I be hopin!
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June Post OTAs
OFFENSE QB (3) 9 -Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 34 - Tim Hightower, 28 - C.J. Spiller, 38 - Travaris Cadet, 23 - Marcus Murphy, 36 - Daniel Lasco FB (1) 35 - Austin Johnson, 39 - Sione Houma WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 15 - Vincent Brown, 81 - Jordan Williams, 85 - Jared Dangerfield, 12 - Kyle Prater LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 70 - Ryker Mathews, 79 - Joseph Cheek LG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 68 - Tim Lelito, 78 - Landon Turner C (1) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen, 61 - Marcus Henry RG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 62 - Cyril Lemon, 71 - Kaleb Eulls RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 74 - Tyrus Thompson, 67 - Avery Young TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 88 - RaShaun Allen, 80 - Jack Tabb, 86 - Chris Manhertz SR (2) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 83 - Willie Snead, 14 - R.J. Harris, 11 - Reggie Bell, 87 - TommyLee Lewis, 19 - Jake Lampmann DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 77 - D.J. Pettway NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata LEO (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull, *44 - Hau'oli Kikaha WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar, 97 - Tony Steward MLB (3) 53 - James Laurinaitis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Jeff Schoettmer SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 56 - Mike Mauti, 57 - Dillon Lee RCB (3) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 24 - Kyle Wilson, 27 - Damian Swann, 29 - Tony Carter, 49 - De’Vante Harris FS (2) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 42 - Alden Darby, 26 - Trae Elston SS (3) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 33 - Jamarca Sanford, 30 - Erik Harris, 41 - Roman Harper LCB (2) 21 - Keenan Lewis, 25 - P.J. Williams, 20 - Brian Dixon, 37 - Brandon Dixon, 46 - Ken Crawley, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt KICKING K (1) 5 - Kai Forbath, 3 - Connor Barth P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 45 - Garrett Griffin Projected Starter Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future/UDRFA Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports Note: Roster Unit Nos.: Offense - 43, Defense - 43, Kicking - 4, Total Roster - 90 Note: * 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha hasn't been officially put on IR nor IR-To Return |
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Really liked the signing of Lawrence Virgil...
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 June OTAs
OFFENSE QB (3) 9 -Drew Brees, 7 - Luke McCown, 18 - Garrett Grayson RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 34 - Tim Hightower, 28 - C.J. Spiller, 38 - Travaris Cadet, 23 - Marcus Murphy, 36 - Daniel Lasco FB (1) 35 - Austin Johnson, 39 - Sione Houma WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 15 - Vincent Brown, 81 - Jordan Williams, 85 - Jared Dangerfield, 12 - Kyle Prater LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 70 - Ryker Mathews, 79 - Joseph Cheek LG (2) 65 - Senio Kelemete, 68 - Tim Lelito, 78 - Landon Turner C (1) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen, 61 - Marcus Henry RG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 62 - Cyril Lemon, 71 - Kaleb Eulls RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 74 - Tyrus Thompson, 67 - Avery Young TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 88 - RaShaun Allen, 80 - Jack Tabb, 86 - Chris Manhertz SR (2) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 83 - Willie Snead, 14 - R.J. Harris, 11 - Reggie Bell, 87 - TommyLee Lewis, 19 - Jake Lampmann DEFENSE DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 77 - D.J. Pettway NT (2) 92 - John Jenkins, 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 96 - Lawrence Virgil DT (2) 90 - Nick Fairley, 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata LEO (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull, *44 - Hau'oli Kikaha WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar, 97 - Tony Steward MLB (3) 53 - James Laurinaitis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Jeff Schoettmer SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 56 - Mike Mauti, 57 - Dillon Lee RCB (3) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 27 - Damian Swann, 24 - Kyle Wilson, 29 - Tony Carter, 49 - De’Vante Harris SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 30 - Erik Harris, 41 - Roman Harper FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 26 - Trae Elston, 42 - Alden Darby LCB (2) 21 - Keenan Lewis, 25 - P.J. Williams, 20 - Brian Dixon, 37 - Brandon Dixon, 46 - Ken Crawley, 43 - Jimmy Pruitt KICKING K (1) 5 - Kai Forbath, 3 - Connor Barth P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher, 45 - Garrett Griffin INJURED RESERVE FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford Projected Starter Reserve/Injured Reserve/Future/UDRFA Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports Note: Roster Unit Nos.: Offense - 44, Defense - 41, Kicking - 5, Total Roster - 90 Note: * 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha hasn't been officially put on IR nor IR-To Return |
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Five Players who are vulnerable, in my mind, on this team:
RT Zach Strief - Underrated player who's sabremetrics suggest same; age is a b*tch and the first round selection of Peat suggests same... LG Tim Lelito - Underrappreciated former un-drafted rookie; Senio's been getting the snaps, but that could just be exploratory... RB CJ Spiller - though it seemed like a 1-2 punch when Ingram, Spiller signed; the Back half can't get out the Trainers Room... FS Jairus Byrd - it may be time to cut losses now and remove the distraction and reminder that sometimes Coach Payton is wrong... CB Keenan Lewis - no one will question his heart, pride; but the physicality of the game has taken its toll on Lewis... And I still think we should have brought in another punter... |
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Who will be the Saints fifth receiver? - Canal Street Chronicles
I don't know that Coleman is a lock to make this roster... |
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Hoping for the best from Brandon this year but do you remember just a couple of weeks ago Brees made a indirect reference about rookie WR Michael Thomas knew what he wanted & to make adjustments if he saw a certain coverage? This is where Coleman has struggled. If you aren't on the same page as Brees, there could be problems (trust/targets).
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Here's the projection from ESPN:
Saints' 53-man roster projection includes two undrafted offensive linemen - New Orleans Saints Blog- ESPN |
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