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JP,
Would it surprise you to see Swann get cut? FWIW, I thought Finnegan has played well over the last two weeks. He was very good on that blitz and I still see some dawg in him. I hope Courtland sticks because he plays the game ole school... we will need a veteran who can still play the position and also teach.

Here is the quick video of the play I'm speaking of ...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJn0KeRD35h/

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Wouldn't surprise me. Too many concussions. The more you get the worse it is. Austin Collie's career was cut short for the same reason.

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Actually Major, was thinking Swann was expendable when the two rookie UDRFA played well and Finnegan was signed; when Westbank decided he wasn't gonna be healthy until he was just gonna show up for Game 1, started posting a week before he was done; and when Swann didn't get the message when WB was released, knew he was next and we had the numbers (Breaux, Williams, Harris, Finnegan, Crawley, Dixon) to lose Swann as welll...

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New Orleans Saints snap counts: Five healthy players sit vs. Steelers

By Josh Katzenstein, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
on August 27, 2016 at 4:11 PM, updated August 27, 2016 at 4:13 PM

NFL teams typically use the third preseason game as a final tune-up for players who will actually contribute when the regular season begins in two weeks.

For any guy on the roster bubble, seeing action in the third exhibition can be a good sign. For other players, not entering the game can signal that coaches and scouts have already finished evaluations, for better or worse.

Five healthy players on the back end of the roster sat out Friday night's exhibition loss — wide receivers Reggie Bell and Jared Dangerfield, cornerback Brandon Dixon, long snapper Chris Highland and fullback Sione Houma.

With the Saints need to cut the roster from 89 to 75 by Tuesday at 4 p.m., that could be bad news for those guys. There's a chance the Saints are trying to hide some of these players so they can sneak them onto the practice squad, which would happen after the cut to 53 players next Saturday at 4 p.m.

In addition to the players who sat out completely, eight non-specialists played exclusively on special teams — cornerbacks Brandon Dixon and Jimmy Pruitt; linebackers Jeff Schoettmer, Dillon Lee and Tony Steward; tight end RaShaun Allen and safeties Trae Elston and Jamal Golden. Pruitt left late in the game with an injury.

Some of these players will have another chance to impress next week in the final preseason game, one in which many starters will sit, but others could soon be looking for a new team.

Here are a few other notable items from the snap-count report:

-A few players made their first preseason appearance this year after overcoming injuries. Defensive tackle John Jenkins played 12 snaps, fullback Austin Johnson played 13 and rookie tight end Garrett Griffin played 22.

-Running backs Tim Hightower (18 snaps) and Marcus Murphy (12) each played on offense this week after playing exclusively on special teams last week. Murphy suffered a concussion late in the fourth quarter.

-It's clear the Saints still don't know what their rotation at defensive end will look like behind Cameron Jordan and Kasim Edebali. Darryl Tapp (23) and Obum Gwacham (26) were the first backups off the bench, but a few others had ample opportunity. Davis Tull played 22 snaps, Bobby Richardson played 20 and Matt Shaughnessy played 17.

-Rookie Vonn Bell led the reserve safeties with 29 snaps. Roman Harper played 17 snaps, and Erik Harris had 12.

Source: New Orleans Saints snap counts: Five healthy players sit vs. Steelers | NOLA.com

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(excerpt from Key NFL dates for 2016-17: Roster cutdowns to 53 players is Sept. 3 - CBSSports.com)

Aug. 30: Prior to 4 p.m. ET, clubs must reduce their rosters to a maximum of 75 players on the Active List.

Sept. 1: Final Preseason Games.

Sept. 3: Prior to 4 p.m. ET, clubs must reduce rosters to a maximum of 53 players on the Active/Inactive List.

Sept. 3: Simultaneously with the cut-down to 53, clubs that have players in the categories of Active/Physically Unable to Perform or Active/Non-Football Injury or Illness must select one of the following options: place player on Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform or Reserve/Non-Football Injury or Illness, whichever is applicable; request waivers; terminate contract; trade contract; or continue to count the player on the Active List.

Sept. 4: Claiming period for players placed on waivers at the final roster reduction will expire at noon ET.

Sept. 4: Upon receipt of the Personnel Notice at approximately 1 p.m. ET, clubs may establish a Practice Squad of 10 players. No club, including the player's prior club, will be permitted to sign a player to a Practice Player Contract until all clubs have received simultaneous notification via the above Personnel Notice that such player's prior NFL player contract has been terminated via the waiver system.

Sept. 5-9: In accordance with the 2016 Personnel (Injury) Report Policy, each club is required to file a Practice Report with its conference communications contact by 4 p.m. ET, (or as soon as possible after the completion of practice) every Wednesday, Thursday and Friday for a regular season Saturday or Sunday game; Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday for a Thursday game; or Thursday, Friday, and Saturday for a Monday game.

Sept. 5-9: Each club must also file a weekly regular season Game Status Report with its conference communications contact by 4 p.m. ET (or as soon as possible after the completion of practice) on Wednesday for a Thursday game, Friday for a Saturday or Sunday game, and Saturday for a Monday game. An update must be reported if there is any change in a player's condition after the initial Game Status Report is filed.
Sept. 8: At noon ET, the Top 51 Rule expires for all NFL clubs.

Sept. 8, 11-12: Regular Season opens.

Oct. 2: NFL International Series, Indianapolis Colts vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, London, England

Mid-October: Beginning on the sixth calendar day prior to a club's seventh regular season game (including any bye week) and continuing through the day after the conclusion of the 11th regular season weekend, clubs are permitted to begin practicing players on Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform and Reserve/Non-Football Injury or Illness for a period not to exceed 21 days. Players may be activated during the 21-day practice period, or prior to 4 p.m. ET, on the day after the conclusion of the 21-day period, provided that no player may be activated to participate in a Week 6 game.

Mid-October: At any time after six weeks have elapsed since a player was placed on Reserve/Injured or Reserve/Non-Football Injury/Illness, each club is permitted to designate one player for return from either list to the club's 53-player Active/Inactive List.

The player who is "Designated For Return" must have suffered a major football-related or non-football-related injury after reporting to training camp and must have been placed on the applicable Reserve List after 4 p.m. ET, on the day after the final roster reduction.

A player whom the club wishes to designate for return is permitted to return to practice for a period not to exceed 21 days. The club is required to notify the League office that the player has been "Designated For Return" on the first day the player begins to practice. The player cannot be returned to the Active/Inactive List until eight weeks have elapsed since the date he was placed on Reserve.

Oct. 18-19: Fall League Meeting, Houston, Texas.

Oct. 23: NFL International Series, New York Giants vs. Los Angeles Rams, London, England.

Oct. 30: NFL International Series, Washington Redskins vs. Cincinnati Bengals, London, England.

Nov. 1: All trading ends for 2016 at 4 p.m. ET

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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 Projected Post-Tuesday Player Transactions

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 -Drew Brees, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 7 - Luke McCown

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - C.J. Spiller, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 29 - John Kuhn, 38 - Travaris Cadet,

23 - Marcus Murphy, 35 - Austin Johnson

WR (2) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 13 - Michael Thomas, 14 - R.J. Harris, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Jake Lampmann

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 79 - Joseph Cheek, 70 - Tony Hills

LG (2) 68 - Tim Lelito, 65 - Senio Kelemete

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (1) 75 - Andrus Peat, 78 - Landon Turner

RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 74 - Tyrus Thompson

TE (4) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 86 - Chris Manhertz, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 81 - Jordan Williams


DEFENSE

SDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 63 - Darryl Tapp

DT (3) 90 - Nick Fairley, 93 - David Onyemata, 69 - C.J. Wilson, 99 - Sheldon Rankins

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 92 - John Jenkins

WDE (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar, 97 - Tony Steward

MLB (3) 53 - James Laurinaitis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Jeff Schoettmer

SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 56 - Mike Mauti, 57 - Dillon Lee, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 49 - De’Vante Harris, 27 - Damian Swann

FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 30 - Erik Harris

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 41 - Roman Harper, 26 - Trae Elston

RCB (3) 25 - P.J. Williams, 26 - Cortland Finnegan, 46 - Ken Crawley, 20 - Brian Dixon


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Connor Barth, 5 - Kai Forbath

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher



RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM

LB 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha



RESERVE/INJURED

FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (Prior to Cut to 75)

CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (Prior to Cut to 75)

WR 12 - Kyle Prater (Prior to Cut to 75)

DE 77 - D.J. Pettway (Prior to Cut to 75)

TE 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui (Prior to Cut to 53)

DB 43 - Jimmy Pruitt (Prior to Cut to 53)



RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL INJURY

DE 76 - Mitchell Loewen

OL 67 - Avery Young



Projected Starter

Veteran Free Agent Acquisition

Reserve/Injured/PUP/Non-Football Injury

Draft Selection/UDRFA/Future

Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports

Note: Roster Unit Nos.: Offense - 33, Defense - 36, Kicking - 4, Total Roster - 73

Note: Believe Saints Personnel tries to bring in at least one offensive lineman and one big (i.e. 6' 2"+) receiver why roster is 73 instead of 75

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I see Seantavius Jones (former Saint) already got the tap.

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Triplett has Dixon making it over Finnegan? I'd be careful there.

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Agreed. If anything, I can see the Saints keeping six (6) CBs (Breaux, Williams, Harris, Finnegan, Crawley and Dixon)...

Swann looks like he took his cues from Westbank and that's not good for an unknown, second year who's had occaisional flashes...

Wouldn't be surprised if the Saints tried to salvage a seventh round conditional pick by trading him to a team that needs DB help...

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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 Projected Post-Tuesday Player Transactions

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 -Drew Brees, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 7 - Luke McCown

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - C.J. Spiller, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 29 - John Kuhn, 38 - Travaris Cadet,

23 - Marcus Murphy, 35 - Austin Johnson

WR (2) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 13 - Michael Thomas, 14 - R.J. Harris, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Jake Lampmann

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 79 - Joseph Cheek, 70 - Tony Hills

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 65 - Senio Kelemete

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (1) 68 - Tim Lelito, 78 - Landon Turner

RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, 74 - Tyrus Thompson

TE (4) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 86 - Chris Manhertz, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 81 - Jordan Williams


DEFENSE

SDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 63 - Darryl Tapp

DT (3) 90 - Nick Fairley, 93 - David Onyemata, 69 - C.J. Wilson, 99 - Sheldon Rankins

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 92 - John Jenkins

WDE (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar, 97 - Tony Steward

MLB (3) 53 - James Laurinaitis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Jeff Schoettmer

SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 56 - Mike Mauti, 57 - Dillon Lee, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 49 - De’Vante Harris, 27 - Damian Swann

FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 30 - Erik Harris

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 41 - Roman Harper, 26 - Trae Elston

RCB (3) 25 - P.J. Williams, 26 - Cortland Finnegan, 46 - Ken Crawley, 20 - Brian Dixon


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Connor Barth, 5 - Kai Forbath

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher



RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM

LB 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha



RESERVE/INJURED

FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (Prior to Cut to 75)

CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (Prior to Cut to 75)

WR 12 - Kyle Prater (Prior to Cut to 75)

DE 77 - D.J. Pettway (Prior to Cut to 75)

TE 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui (Prior to Cut to 53)

DB 43 - Jimmy Pruitt (Prior to Cut to 53)



RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL INJURY

DE 76 - Mitchell Loewen

OL 67 - Avery Young



Projected Starter

Veteran Free Agent Acquisition

Reserve/Injured/PUP/Non-Football Injury

Draft Selection/UDRFA/Future

Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports

Note: Roster Unit Nos.: Offense - 33, Defense - 36, Kicking - 4, Total Roster - 73

Note: Believe Saints Personnel tries to bring in at least one offensive lineman and one big (i.e. 6' 2"+) receiver why roster is 73 instead of 75

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This could really work...

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This is starting to get up to ridiculous level. I hope this is just a rumor on over reaction Monday. Why not leave Peat at one spot & let him work?

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Yes, but I'm serious that it could work and this is why - Peat's timing, cadence has been on the left side his last few years at Stanford, HS...

By him playing LG, it would not be as big a deal should he have to shift to LT for injury or other necessity...

We saw this a few years ago with T/G Jim Dombrowski...

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Ok but this is a bit much.

Peat will never master any position at this rate.

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And Lelito played better at Right Guard, his position in college...

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Don't agree with Barry's assessments on the Offensive Line and Linebacker Corps...

Joe Cheek is still a darkhorse candidate; Landon Turner has yet to impress with the ones...

Dillon Lee and/or Jeff Schoettmer have had fine camps and would have made this team in previous seasons; they were definitely more than camp bodies and I'm not sold on Mauti despite his blocked punt last season...

Dillon Lee has several impressive forced turnovers and Schoettmer has been impressive as well...

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So far Houma, Dangerfield, Lemon and Schoettmer have been cut.

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I can see Turner getting a injury that requires IR. He was always going to be raw and need time.

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Rams have released DL Quinton Coples. Thats got to be worth a look

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#Saints cut WR Reggie Bell per source

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Dillon Lee was cut.

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Dillon Lee has more upside, more flexibility and was starting to outperform Mauti; but Mauti is a Northshore local boy, second generation Saint and I've no doubt that played into the Saints keeping Mauti over Lee...

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Khalif Barnes - swiss army knife back up for the OL making probably his last appearance in the NFL

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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2016 Cut Down To 75 man roster limit (Currently - 78)

OFFENSE

QB (3) 9 -Drew Brees, 18 - Garrett Grayson, 7 - Luke McCown

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram, 28 - C.J. Spiller, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 29 - John Kuhn,

34 - Tim Hightower, 23 - Marcus Murphy, 38 - Travaris Cadet, 35 - Austin Johnson

WR (3) 10 - Brandin Cooks, 13 - Michael Thomas, 16 - Brandon Coleman, 19 - Jake Lampmann

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 79 - Joseph Cheek, 70 - Tony Hills

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 78 - Landon Turner, 77 - Khalif Barnes

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen, 61 - Marcus Henry

RG (2) 68 - Tim Lelito, 65 - Senio Kelemete

RT (1) 64 - Zach Strief, OL 67 - Avery Young, 73 - John Fullington, 74 - Tyrus Thompson

TE (3) 82 - Coby Fleener, 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 86 - Chris Manhertz, 45 - Garrett Griffin

SR (2) 83 - Willie Snead, 87 - Tommylee Lewis, 81 - Jordan Williams


DEFENSE

SDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 98 - Bobby Richardson, 63 - Darryl Tapp

DT (3) 99 - Sheldon Rankins, 90 - Nick Fairley, 69 - C.J. Wilson, 93 - David Onyemata

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 96 - Ashaad Mabry, 92 - John Jenkins

WDE (2) 91 - Kasim Edebali, 58 - Obum Gwacham, 55 - Davis Tull, 57-Chris McCain

SLB (2) 50 - Stephone Anthony, 56 - Mike Mauti, 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

MLB (2) 53 - James Laurinaitis, 52 - Craig Robertson, 51 - Jeff Schoettmer

WLB (2) 59 - Dannell Ellerbe, 54 - Nate Stupar, 97 - Tony Steward

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 49 - De’Vante Harris, 27 - Damian Swann

FS (3) 31 - Jairus Byrd, 48 - Vonn Bell, 30 - Erik Harris

SS (2) 32 - Kenny Vaccaro, 41 - Roman Harper, 26 - Trae Elston

RCB (3) 25 - P.J. Williams, 39 - Cortland Finnegan, 46 - Ken Crawley, 20 - Brian Dixon


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Connor Barth, 5 - Kai Forbath

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 47 - Justin Drescher



RESERVE/PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM

LB 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha



RESERVE/INJURED

FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford (Prior to Cut to 75)

CB 24 - Kyle Wilson (Prior to Cut to 75)

WR 12 - Kyle Prater (Prior to Cut to 75)

DE 77 - D.J. Pettway (Prior to Cut to 75)



RESERVE/NON-FOOTBALL INJURY

DE 76 - Mitchell Loewen


Projected Starter

Veteran Free Agent Acquisition

Reserve/Injured/PUP/Non-Football Injury

Draft Selection/UDRFA/Future

Note: Jersey Numbers based on Nola.com, Twitter, and NewOrleansSaints.com Images and Reports

Note: Roster Unit Nos.: Offense - 38, Defense - 36, Kicking - 4, Total Roster - 78

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Some Damian Swann news per Mike Triplett...

"Saints CB Damian Swann is being examined by Dr. William Meyers in Philadelphia, per source. The specific injury is unclear, and it's unknown if Swann will require surgery. Meyers typically means sports hernia/groin/hip or other core muscle issues."

Sounds like a possibility that Swann is headed to IR.

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IR would be a blow short term but another 12 months to recover from the concussions could be worth short term pain

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Meanwhile Louis Vasquez is still available at GUARD :rolleyes:.

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Swann possibly has some type of sports hernia injury...

Would he need an entire year off though to recover?

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It's a shame on Swann because the talent is there. Just can't seem to stay healthy as of late.

Not sure if he is a candidate for IR or not.