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jeanpierre 01-19-2022 06:10 PM
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Really like this guy on Day 2...

jeanpierre 01-19-2022 06:11 PM
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One of the best pure WR slot in the draft

jeanpierre 01-19-2022 06:15 PM
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jeanpierre 01-19-2022 06:26 PM
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Some of these Charlie Kolar highlights remind me of Jimmy Graham...

Incidentally, Kolar led his HS basketball team to a state championship as a C...

rezburna 01-19-2022 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942276)
Anything Saints is my thing. I just haven't been into the college game much for years. Not since my oldest started his swimming career. That was over twenty years ago. I read more these days online than in the past so if I see something relevant I'll share it. One thing I've come across is that the QB class is the weakest it's been for many years and a first rounder selection would be a mistake. But, we all know there will be more than one taken. I just hope to hell it isn't the Saints making that mistake.
I’m intrigued by Kenny Pickett and I loved Matt Corral all year, but i think it’s time to go WR. If not for the injury I’d say Jameson Williams, but with him out, give me Chris Olave.

K Major 01-19-2022 06:36 PM
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Personally, I'd steer clear away from Kenny Pickett.

Way too inconsistent on throws & lacks touch.

I simply don't see the 1st round "it" factor. Not all that impressed with any QB coming out of this class.

ChrisXVI 01-19-2022 06:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942276)
Anything Saints is my thing. I just haven't been into the college game much for years. Not since my oldest started his swimming career. That was over twenty years ago. I read more these days online than in the past so if I see something relevant I'll share it. One thing I've come across is that the QB class is the weakest it's been for many years and a first rounder selection would be a mistake. But, we all know there will be more than one taken. I just hope to hell it isn't the Saints making that mistake.
Yeah I have an 8 year old and twin 5 year olds so Saturday’s are becoming less and less about watching college football. Now is when I catch up on watching prospects because it’s January in Wisconsin and I’m not leaving the house.

I just cannot see Sean Payton drafting a QB in the first round. With how complicated our offense is and how impatient Payton is… He strikes me as wanting someone with NFL experience.

ChrisXVI 01-19-2022 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942283)
I’m intrigued by Kenny Pickett and I loved Matt Corral all year, but i think it’s time to go WR. If not for the injury I’d say Jameson Williams, but with him out, give me Chris Olave.
Chris Olave is definitely the perfect plug-and-play WR who could make an instant impact for us. I’m right there with you on that one.

rezburna 01-19-2022 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 942286)
Chris Olave is definitely the perfect plug-and-play WR who could make an instant impact for us. I’m right there with you on that one.
Indeed. I feel like he’s the most balanced prospect. Good hands. Good route running at every level. Decent blocker. Good speed. Good for this offense.

AsylumGuido 01-19-2022 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942287)
Indeed. I feel like he’s the most balanced prospect. Good hands. Good route running at every level. Decent blocker. Good speed. Good for this offense.
I'm not as down on the Saints current WR corps as some. Many of those are totally disregarding Thomas as being a part. Give me Thomas, Callaway, Harty, and a young dynamic receiver like what I read about Olave and we are a serious threat not including any other addition.

K Major 01-19-2022 07:07 PM
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Look around the teams that are still standing ...

Bills (Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, Knox)
Chiefs (Tyreek, Hardeman, Kelce, Pringle)
Bengals (Chase, Higgins, Boyd, Uzomah)

Tampa, GB, Niners (we all know who the playmakers are in the NFC) etc.

All of these teams have legit #1,2, #3 WRs, and TEs across the board.

In order to compete (deep playoff run), you need playmakers, route runners, game-changers. Discount Mike, we have none.

Saints must upgrade (min 2/draft and FA) the WR corp this off-season.

ChrisXVI 01-19-2022 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 942289)
Look around the teams that are still standing ...

Bills (Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, Knox)
Chiefs (Tyreek, Hardeman, Kelce, Pringle)
Bengals (Chase, Higgins, Boyd, Uzomah)

Tampa, GB, Niners (we all know who the playmakers are in the NFC) etc.

All of these teams have legit #1,2, #3 WRs, and TEs across the board.

In order to compete (deep playoff run), you need playmakers, route runners, game-changers. Discount Mike, we have none.

Saints must upgrade (min 2/draft and FA) the WR corp this off-season.
Look no further than our own history when Sean Payton’s offense was really clicking: Colston, Henderson, Meachem, Moore, Shockey, Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas. That was some crazy pass-catching depth.

We spent so long trying to rebuild our abysmal defense that our cupboard became pretty bare on offense.

jeanpierre 01-19-2022 07:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 942289)
Look around the teams that are still standing ...

Bills (Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, Knox)
Chiefs (Tyreek, Hardeman, Kelce, Pringle)
Bengals (Chase, Higgins, Boyd, Uzomah)

Tampa, GB, Niners (we all know who the playmakers are in the NFC) etc.

All of these teams have legit #1,2, #3 WRs, and TEs across the board.

In order to compete (deep playoff run), you need playmakers, route runners, game-changers. Discount Mike, we have none.

Saints must upgrade (min 2/draft and FA) the WR corp this off-season.
But they also have their offensive lines in place...

K Major 01-19-2022 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 942291)
But they also have their offensive lines in place...
Do what the Bengals did in 2021.

Draft a STUD WR (Chase), bring in a vet O lineman & also draft another interior lineman in the mid-rounds (Carmann).

Copy cat league :bng:

The jury is still out on Cesar Ruiz though.

AsylumGuido 01-19-2022 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 942292)
Do what the Bengals did in 2021.

Draft a STUD WR (Chase), bring in a vet O lineman & also draft another interior lineman in the mid-rounds (Carmann).

Copy cat league :bng:

The jury is still out on Cesar Ruiz though.
Ruiz was drafted to be a piece of the offensive line, not the linchpin. He wasn't meant to be the only one playing 100% of the snaps for 17 games. Sure he looked like crap at times, but he was surrounded by crap for most of this season.

K Major 01-20-2022 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942295)
Ruiz was drafted to be a piece of the offensive line, not the linchpin. He wasn't meant to be the only one playing 100% of the snaps for 17 games. Sure he looked like crap at times, but he was surrounded by crap for most of this season.
Blah, blah. Excuses.

He’s graded poorly throughout the season and last year as well. Coaches don’t care that he under performed on the interior with back ups. This isn’t JV football, find a way.

Far too many times he’s been overwhelmed or beaten at the point of attack.

Improve in the trenches. Period.

AsylumGuido 01-20-2022 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 942296)
Blah, blah. Excuses.

He’s graded poorly throughout the season and last year as well. Coaches don’t care that he under performed on the interior with back ups. This isn’t JV football, find a way.

Far too many times he’s been overwhelmed or beaten at the point of attack.

Improve in the trenches. Period.
Have you wondered why, if the coaches were so aware of his underperforming, that they never replaced him during the season? Not even for a single snap? He was in there for 100% of all offensive snaps in all 17 games.

I'm not saying Ruiz hasn't looked like crap, but consider the circumstances. We all know the offensive line is a unit that has been described as only as strong as its weakest link. Looking back at Ruiz's first season in 2020 there was essentially no preseason work and most of the regular season was virtual except for gameday. Move to 2021 and only three of the 17 games had four of the five starters active at the same time. Five games of the 17 had three. None had all five.

The coaches have to see something in him or he wouldn't be in there, right? That's the one thing that keeps me hoping there's promise.

halloween 65 01-20-2022 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 942296)
Blah, blah. Excuses.

He’s graded poorly throughout the season and last year as well. Coaches don’t care that he under performed on the interior with back ups. This isn’t JV football, find a way.

Far too many times he’s been overwhelmed or beaten at the point of attack.

Improve in the trenches. Period.
I can agree 100% about improving the trenches. I think Payton addresses this quickly. At least I'm hoping so. Kind of crazy to think we would even have to be discussing this with Payton at the helm. O-line, WR, TE are pretty high on the priority list. But K if that S falls in out lap on draft day I'm really hoping Payton pulls the trigger.

K Major 01-20-2022 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942311)
Have you wondered why, if the coaches were so aware of his underperforming, that they never replaced him during the season? Not even for a single snap? He was in there for 100% of all offensive snaps in all 17 games.

I'm not saying Ruiz hasn't looked like crap, but consider the circumstances. We all know the offensive line is a unit that has been described as only as strong as its weakest link. Looking back at Ruiz's first season in 2020 there was essentially no preseason work and most of the regular season was virtual except for gameday. Move to 2021 and only three of the 17 games had four of the five starters active at the same time. Five games of the 17 had three. None had all five.

The coaches have to see something in him or he wouldn't be in there, right? That's the one thing that keeps me hoping there's promise.
Just because you have perfect attendance (100% offensive snaps) in class, doesn't mean you are a good student.

The Saints coaches don't need 3-5 years to evaluate a quality starter on the O line. CSP knows exactly what he has within the first two seasons & Ruiz won't be any different.

Hopefully, he turns into a decent backup. The guy was simply a reach in the first round.

Boston Saint 01-20-2022 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942311)
Have you wondered why, if the coaches were so aware of his underperforming, that they never replaced him during the season? Not even for a single snap? He was in there for 100% of all offensive snaps in all 17 games.

I'm not saying Ruiz hasn't looked like crap, but consider the circumstances. We all know the offensive line is a unit that has been described as only as strong as its weakest link. Looking back at Ruiz's first season in 2020 there was essentially no preseason work and most of the regular season was virtual except for gameday. Move to 2021 and only three of the 17 games had four of the five starters active at the same time. Five games of the 17 had three. None had all five.

The coaches have to see something in him or he wouldn't be in there, right? That's the one thing that keeps me hoping there's promise.
More “coaches know best” BS from Guido!

AsylumGuido 01-20-2022 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 942317)
Just because you have perfect attendance (100% offensive snaps) in class, doesn't mean you are a good student.

The Saints coaches don't need 3-5 years to evaluate a quality starter on the O line. CSP knows exactly what he has within the first two seasons & Ruiz won't be any different.

Hopefully, he turns into a decent backup. The guy was simply a reach in the first round.
No, but what 100% of offensive snaps does tell you is that the coaches didn't feel they had a better option available at any point during the entire season, wouldn't you agree? If by some miracle he lines up on the line in game one this coming season it becomes obvious that someone sees something we don't.

K Major 01-20-2022 09:55 AM
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Lecitus Smith - G Va Tech

Strong at the point of attack, good balance with a "mauler mentality".

Some Scouts see LS as an early Day 2 selection.

Rugby Saint II 01-20-2022 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942118)
Just saying Jenkins played about 98% of all the defensive snaps over this season and is a defensive captain. 100% of the snaps over the final 15 games, in fact. I'd say he has value.
I believe that Jenkins is strictly an in the box safety with limited free safety skills.

Boston Saint 01-20-2022 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 942279)
Wouldn’t be a bad pick, but cant see payton taking a LB that high.

AsylumGuido 01-20-2022 12:35 PM
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Boston Saint 01-20-2022 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 936906)
Just finished watching the NC vs NC State thriller. Tar Heels QB Sam Howell has some upside to him - reminds me a little of Taysom with the tough running, though probably not as fast. He's kind of a blend of Ryan Fitzpatrick with Taysom's tough running.
How was his arm?

Boston Saint 01-20-2022 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942283)
I’m intrigued by Kenny Pickett and I loved Matt Corral all year, but i think it’s time to go WR. If not for the injury I’d say Jameson Williams, but with him out, give me Chris Olave.
Maybe trade up and grab Williams in early round 2? Time to recover.

rezburna 01-20-2022 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 942353)
Maybe trade up and grab Williams in early round 2? Time to recover.
If he falls into the second round I wouldn’t mind that. If I was a team in the late first round I’d just go ahead and take him.

Boston Saint 01-20-2022 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942354)
If he falls into the second round I wouldn’t mind that. If I was a team in the late first round I’d just go ahead and take him.
Maybe they could get picks say 18 and 40 for a reasonable price and get williams there.

AsylumGuido 01-21-2022 11:46 AM
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ChrisXVI 01-21-2022 11:54 AM
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Daniel Jeremiah 2022 NFL mock draft 1.0: Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis among 3 QBs taken in Round 1

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jere...is-among-3-qbs

18. New Orleans Saints
SELECTION: Garrett Wilson, WR
School: Ohio State
Year: Junior

Wilson plays with aggression. He attacks the ball in the air and he’s very competitive after the catch. The Saints love shopping at Ohio State.

jeanpierre 01-21-2022 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 942292)
Do what the Bengals did in 2021.

Draft a STUD WR (Chase), bring in a vet O lineman & also draft another interior lineman in the mid-rounds (Carmann).

Copy cat league :bng:

The jury is still out on Cesar Ruiz though.
We have the stud WRx in Michael Thomas; we have Ramczyk to anchor the offensive line, we just need to get two (2) quality guards to shore the line up...

With limited cap room, I'd make the effort to sign a WRz; used the draft to find a WR or two to work in behind the starters...

jeanpierre 01-21-2022 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 942325)
Wouldn’t be a bad pick, but cant see payton taking a LB that high.
LB Pete Werner, Ohio St, taken in the second round in the 2021 draft...

Don't won't to remind you of the other LBer taken in the second round by Payton...

jeanpierre 01-21-2022 09:15 PM
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Interesting compilation of mock drafts...

jeanpierre 01-21-2022 09:20 PM
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Past the Kiper stuff, there's a list of the Saints worst Round One picks - don't agree with the order (Sullivan was worse than Knight, considering all factors)...

jeanpierre 01-22-2022 02:02 PM
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Every pundit has got us taking a WR, then Sean Payton gets up to pick and says Hold my beer!

ChrisXVI 01-22-2022 03:35 PM
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Don’t be surprised if we draft a guy like Penn St safety Jaquan Brisker in the first round. He’ll have a very high RAS score and he’s going to the Senior Bowl. Safety will be a need soon enough with Jenkins’ age.

vpheughan 01-23-2022 07:22 AM
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Do all these "SHOULD'A" picked candidates take into account that the Panthers and Falcons draft ahead of the Saints? Seems the Panthers need a QB and the Falcons could too.

Rugby Saint II 01-23-2022 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 942325)
Wouldn’t be a bad pick, but cant see payton taking a LB that high.
Well, Sean finally drafted Pete Warner in the second round last year for insurance with Kwon's questionable availability. What is to stop him from looking at an eventual replacement for Davis? I say keep going to the well! :p

halloween 65 01-23-2022 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 942479)
Don’t be surprised if we draft a guy like Penn St safety Jaquan Brisker in the first round. He’ll have a very high RAS score and he’s going to the Senior Bowl. Safety will be a need soon enough with Jenkins’ age.
I'm thinking S also.


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