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AsylumGuido 02-28-2022 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945919)
Yes sir.

Technique/hand speed is good, athletic & dominated in the run game. His tape shows that he is very, very strong. I wouldn't rule out him transitioning to guard.

Oh JP, don't let the 6'4 (length) fool ya. Look at how rookie of year - 2021 (former 1st rounder pick #13) Rashawn Slater dominated at OT.

Almost identical measurables to Ikem.
I was listening to Moving the Chains last week and they were talking about the OL prospects and specifically mentioned Ekwonu as someone not to overlook because he wasn't 6'7". They said fans and media get too hung up on some measurables such as height and arm length when it comes to offensive linemen and ignore technique.

Personally I wouldn't mind another Wolfpacker on the team. Vaughan Johnson was a pretty good one.

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K Major 02-28-2022 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 945792)
So much WR talent this year I can see waiting.

So much talent at WR this year I can see them not waiting.
Just looking back at the last few drafts ... specifically WR.

Waddle, Ja'Marr C, Toney, CeeDee L, Judy, Jefferson, etc.

Teams selected these guys in the 1st rd. All of these guys are game-changers.

Can we please go get one in 2022?

Boston Saint 02-28-2022 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945927)
Just looking back at the last few drafts ... specifically WR.

Waddle, Ja'Marr C, Toney, CeeDee L, Judy, Jefferson, etc.

Teams selected these guys in the 1st rd. All of these guys are game-changers.

Can we please go get one in 2022?
If they do/can retain Winston he can surely succeed at QB with a focused MT and a guy like you describe.

jeanpierre 02-28-2022 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945919)
Yes sir.

Technique/hand speed is good, athletic & dominated in the run game. His tape shows that he is very, very strong. I wouldn't rule him out transitioning to guard.

Oh JP, don't let the 6'4 (length) fool ya. Look at how rookie of year - 2021 (former 1st rounder pick #13) Rashawn Slater dominated at OT.

Almost identical measurables to Ikem.
Irregardless of how I feel, the Saints Scouting Krewe and Sean have stated their criteria (types) for certain positions; this has come up with respect to DE and IOL in past interviews...

AsylumGuido 02-28-2022 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945931)
Irregardless of how I feel, the Saints Scouting Krewe and Sean have stated their criteria (types) for certain positions; this has come up with respect to DE and IOL in past interviews...
Sean is no longer in the picture.

saintfan 02-28-2022 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945934)
Sean is no longer in the picture.
From the guy who's still digging through his trash and posting his every move here, speculating on where he'll land and what his reasoning is/was. You don't get the make that statement without getting pushback. Little speedo wants his cake and to eat it too?

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Boston Saint 02-28-2022 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945934)
Sean is no longer in the picture.
Sounds a bit argumentative to me.

saintfan 02-28-2022 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 945941)
Sounds a bit argumentative to me.
Takes a lot of nerve if you ask me (and I know you didn't). Even NOW, after a month of being shown his reflection, his behavior is maybe more subtle, but he's still an a***ole. An arrogant, racist, a***ole. Among many other things of course. :blueshock:

Crusader 02-28-2022 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945931)
Irregardless of how I feel, the Saints Scouting Krewe and Sean have stated their criteria (types) for certain positions; this has come up with respect to DE and IOL in past interviews...
Sounds quite odd in wanting to have taller guys on the inside. They only get in the way of the passer. Guards and Centers are usually more runblockers than pass blockers since the technique becomes much more similar on the inside due to space constraints. That often leads teams to looking for shorter guys with big lower bodies so that they have a low center of gravity and the ability to anchor in the pass game and create a lot of force in the run game.

jeanpierre 02-28-2022 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 945951)
Sounds quite odd in wanting to have taller guys on the inside. They only get in the way of the passer. Guards and Centers are usually more runblockers than pass blockers since the technique becomes much more similar on the inside due to space constraints. That often leads teams to looking for shorter guys with big lower bodies so that they have a low center of gravity and the ability to anchor in the pass game and create a lot of force in the run game.
You would think that would be the case.

The first time I'd heard the Saints mention they had a preferred type or size for IOL was when Sean was talking about signing Goodwin, and he went into length on the IOL...

He said that was what attracted them to Carl Nicks was that as a big man like that engaged, it gave 'em some more range to get push on the inside. First I'd heard that thinking...

But if you look at what they've signed, used on the inside, even Center, rarely did they deploy guys 6' 3" at C or even below 6' 5" with Jahri Evans being the exception...

turbo_dog 02-28-2022 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945905)
Dameon Pierce, Florida - RB

(5-6th rounder)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1495529911460769810

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Crusader 03-01-2022 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945958)
You would think that would be the case.

The first time I'd heard the Saints mention they had a preferred type or size for IOL was when Sean was talking about signing Goodwin, and he went into length on the IOL...

He said that was what attracted them to Carl Nicks was that as a big man like that engaged, it gave 'em some more range to get push on the inside. First I'd heard that thinking...

But if you look at what they've signed, used on the inside, even Center, rarely did they deploy guys 6' 3" at C or even below 6' 5" with Jahri Evans being the exception...
I can sort of understand the thinking, long arms, bigger frame, of course it will give mor reach and range. Just that it usually comes at the expense of push and drive.

Jahri was the best of the bunch... IMHO he is the second best lineman we've had after Roaf.

K Major 03-01-2022 07:56 AM
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Mid Round big ugly ...

Tyler Smith - OT Tulsa

All of the "tools" are there. Coach him up :bng:

jeanpierre 03-01-2022 09:39 AM
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Don't see how we can't come away without a RB in this draft...

jeanpierre 03-01-2022 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 945986)
I can sort of understand the thinking, long arms, bigger frame, of course it will give mor reach and range. Just that it usually comes at the expense of push and drive.

Jahri was the best of the bunch... IMHO he is the second best lineman we've had after Roaf.
That run that Ramczyk had a couple of seasons ago, not allowing a sack and just two pressures against as many as seven HOF DEs was pretty impressive and under appreciated...

K Major 03-01-2022 11:44 AM
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Dylan Parham - G
Memphis

Mid-round grades ... good strength, RPO heavy, mobile & quick for a man over 300 lbs. Could become a solid backup - Ruiz needs to be pushed for a job.

ChrisXVI 03-01-2022 04:06 PM
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Mel Kiper’s newest mock draft has the Saints trading up four spots for WR Garrett Wilson. Here’s his reasoning:

There are many questions around the post-Sean Payton era for the Saints, but it's clear that the team has to add more weapons around whomever plays quarterback in 2022. Michael Thomas should be back after missing all of last season, and he could use a wideout to take some pressure off him. Wilson has the versatility to play in the slot or outside, and he can pile on yards after the catch. He had 113 catches and 18 touchdowns for the Buckeyes over the past two seasons.
If the Saints keep the No. 18 pick, offensive tackle could be in play, especially if Trevor Penning is available. Quarterback Malik Willis could be an option, too, but the Saints are more ready to try to win in 2022, and I think Willis needs a little more seasoning before he's thrown into the fire in the NFL.

K Major 03-02-2022 08:27 AM
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Tyler Allgeier - RB BYU

Reminds me of Clyde Edwards- H of the Chiefs with slightly more quickness.

jeanpierre 03-02-2022 08:47 AM
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Nope. Need an unencumbered rookie season for maximum success...

ChrisXVI 03-02-2022 10:48 AM
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Yes please!

K Major 03-02-2022 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 946059)
Lol.

And this means the Saints will draft another "reach" o lineman or DE no one has ever heard of at pick #18 :p.

But yeah Chris, give me a WR with the first pick all day. No matter how good the defense is, gotta be able to put points on the board.

Boston Saint 03-02-2022 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 946061)
Lol.

And this means the Saints will draft another "reach" o lineman or DE no one has ever heard of at pick #18 :p.

But yeah Chris, give me a WR with the first pick all day. No matter how good the defense is, gotta be able to put points on the board.
They won’t pick an unknown DE with pick 18....they’ll trade next year’s first and third along with pick 18 to move up to 9 and pick an unknown DE there. 🤪

K Major 03-02-2022 11:33 AM
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They won’t pick an unknown DE with pick 18....they’ll trade next year’s first and third along with pick 18 to move up to 9 and pick an unknown DE there. 🤪
Ha !

I didn't see Payton Turner coming and sure as hell didn't see Ruiz the year before.

We shall see :bng:.

Boston Saint 03-02-2022 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 946063)
Ha !

I didn't see Payton Turner coming and sure as hell didn't see Ruiz the year before.

We shall see :bng:.
Would be great if Turner has his breakout year!

jeanpierre 03-02-2022 12:26 PM
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jeanpierre 03-02-2022 12:27 PM
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AsylumGuido 03-02-2022 01:13 PM
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ChrisXVI 03-02-2022 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 946061)
Lol.

And this means the Saints will draft another "reach" o lineman or DE no one has ever heard of at pick #18 :p.

But yeah Chris, give me a WR with the first pick all day. No matter how good the defense is, gotta be able to put points on the board.
Yep. I don’t care which one honestly. We need to get faster though so I lean toward Olave or Jameson Williams (and no I don’t care about the injury.)

jeanpierre 03-02-2022 02:40 PM
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K Major 03-02-2022 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 946088)
A similar conversation came up with Burrow 2 years ago.

Didn't seem to hurt his production (fumbles/throwing ability in bad weather) though.

Rugby Saint II 03-02-2022 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 946063)
Ha !

I didn't see Payton Turner coming and sure as hell didn't see Ruiz the year before.

We shall see :bng:.
I don't think anyone outside the front office would have imagined we were going there. There were a lot of surprised folks out there and I was certainly one of them. We value the RAS score highly and Turner has all the measurables to be good. He didn't have an injury history before coming here. Neither did Pete or Armstead. Hence the new conditioning coach after a record number of replacement players last season. Everyone could see the writing was on the wall.

I'm pulling for the front office to draft a tackle in the first round. You win in the trenches and our drafting history indicates that doing this helps the QB and RB proliferate. We have had one of the best O-lines and D-lines in the NFL in recent memory thanks to first round picks on the big uglies. Yes, we missed on Pete and possibly Ruiz, but our line coach is going to change things up to suit their skills best. I read somewhere where he will change the blocking scheme in the offseason.

K Major 03-02-2022 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 946092)
I don't think anyone outside the front office would have imagined we were going there. There were a lot of surprised folks out there and I was certainly one of them. We value the RAS score highly and Turner has all the measurables to be good. He didn't have an injury history before coming here. Neither did Pete or Armstead. Hence the new conditioning coach after a record number of replacement players last season. Everyone could see the writing was on the wall.

I'm pulling for the front office to draft a tackle in the first round. You win in the trenches and our drafting history indicates that doing this helps the QB and RB proliferate. We have had one of the best O-lines and D-lines in the NFL in recent memory thanks to first round picks on the big uglies. Yes, we missed on Pete and possibly Ruiz, but our line coach is going to change things up to suit their skills best. I read somewhere where he will change the blocking scheme in the offseason.
I guess.


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stickman 03-02-2022 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 946092)

I We have had one of the best O-lines and D-lines in the NFL in recent memory thanks to first round picks on the big uglies. Yes, we missed on Pete and possibly Ruiz, but our line coach is going to change things up to suit their skills best. I read somewhere where he will change the blocking scheme in the offseason.
The Saints won a Superbowl with an offensive line that didn't have a first rounder on it. They just did a good job of drafting and coaching. We need some more of that.

K Major 03-02-2022 04:10 PM
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Bucky Brooks predicts the Saints going QB.

Matt Corral at 18.

K Major 03-02-2022 04:17 PM
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If either Jameson Williams, Johan Dotson, or Trey Burks are still there at 18 and we select a damn lineman or project QB :disgusted: ...

SMH

ChrisXVI 03-02-2022 04:48 PM
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Look at the recent Super Bowl champions… Their O-Line’s have maybe one first round pick at the most. We’ve invested more than enough into our O-Line; to the detriment of the rest of the offense. We need pass catchers who can get open.

jeanpierre 03-02-2022 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 946095)
Bucky Brooks predicts the Saints going QB.

Matt Corral at 18.
Could live with it...

Rugby Saint II 03-02-2022 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 946094)
The Saints won a Superbowl with an offensive line that didn't have a first rounder on it. They just did a good job of drafting and coaching. We need some more of that.
That's a valid point stickman. I have to add that the recent trend in New Orleans has been to invest heavily in the trenches in the first round and then draft well in the second and third round, which we consistently do. We even trade up into the second and third all the time for a player that we value. It's our bread and butter. Look at Kamara and MT who are stand outs. Last year we were able to land Werner and Adebo who played lights out. We also do well with our mid round picks like Onyamata and CGJC. Not only that we are always finding diamonds in the rough with our UDFA's.

This methodology has us in contention every year. Even after losing a once in a lifetime QB and coach I believe that this system works for both offense and defense. It's one of the reasons we've had one of, if not the best rosters for several seasons. Covid slowed us down with cap cuts, but we have a rock-solid foundation.

Back to my original point. You Win In The Trenches. It's true in both rugby and football.

jeanpierre 03-02-2022 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 946094)
The Saints won a Superbowl with an offensive line that didn't have a first rounder on it. They just did a good job of drafting and coaching. We need some more of that.
Trading away those Round 4 and 5 picks every year catches up to you...

jeanpierre 03-02-2022 10:04 PM
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