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jeanpierre 02-24-2022 09:39 AM

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jeanpierre 02-24-2022 09:41 AM

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halloween 65 02-24-2022 10:12 AM

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I like Corral, I also like a WR he throws to.

K Major 02-24-2022 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945690)

I wonder how Ireland/DA/Carmichael feel about Matt as a potential starting QB for the Saints? A lot of 1st round "buzz" is starting to surface on this guy.

For me, I just couldn't ... not at #18. Except the usual suspects in the draft ... Jags, Dolphins, Jets, Browns. Reaching for the next big thing at QB.

halloween 65 02-24-2022 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945697)
I wonder how Ireland/DA/Carmichael feel about Matt as a potential starting QB for the Saints? A lot of 1st round "buzz" is starting to surface on this guy.

For me, I just couldn't ... not at #18. Except the usual suspects in the draft ... Jags, Dolphins, Jets, Browns. Reaching for the next big thing at QB.

Don't know Major, last time we had an Ole Miss qb, if we would have put a O-line with him we might of had something.

K Major 02-24-2022 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 945698)
Don't know Major, last time we had an Ole Miss qb, if we would have put a O-line with him we might of had something.

And his son who played up in New York wasn't too shabby either.

Ole Miss Legends!

jeanpierre 02-24-2022 11:24 AM

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Doubt Corral makes it to us, he's one of only two, maybe three, QBs in this class that I'd consider with a first round pick...

K Major 02-24-2022 02:01 PM

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This year's QB draft class kinda reminds me of that 2006 version.

Vince Young :rolleyes:, Matt Leinhart :confused:, Cutler, Clemmons, etc.

Not a lot of "pop" or "sizzle".

AsylumGuido 02-24-2022 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945728)
This year's QB draft class kinda reminds me of that 2006 version.

Vince Young :rolleyes:, Matt Leinhart :confused:, Cutler, Clemmons, etc.

Not a lot of "pop" or "sizzle".

That's what I keep hearing and reading. Why would we want to delve into it in the first round when Winston is arguably a better option than anyone coming out this year and we still have a freshly drafted QB project in the wings already. Simply doesn't make any sense. I'm pretty sold on your WR move.

saintfan 02-24-2022 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945731)
That's what I keep hearing and reading. Why would we want to delve into it in the first round when Winston is arguably a better option than anyone coming out this year and we still have a freshly drafted QB project in the wings already. Simply doesn't make any sense. I'm pretty sold on your WR move.

Because your own word: "arguably". You're welcome. :rolleyes:

Jameis has a history of throwing picks. The offense was pedestrian even when he was starting. He's not exactly mobile. Just off the top of my head - see I don't rely on twitter and op-eds to shape my views.

The smart move is to explore all options.

jeanpierre 02-25-2022 02:31 AM

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Crusader 02-25-2022 06:20 AM

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Backup and special teamer for the Fighting Irish, one year as a starter for the Bruins.

Very smart kid that started out as a S at ND and became an in the box LB for UCLA. Sat out 2020 to focus on getting his degree during Covid.

I coached him back in 2013, his last season in Sweden, everything you can ask for as a coach. Smart, hard working, eager to learn.
If he gets drafted I would guess it'll be in the 6-7th round. Would love for us to take a flier on him as a ST and LB backup.

ChrisXVI 02-25-2022 10:16 AM

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We have a defensive-minded head coach and two defensive coordinators… It’s probably time to stop thinking about getting a WR in the first round. It’ll probably be a DT.

K Major 02-25-2022 10:29 AM

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We have a defensive-minded head coach and two defensive coordinators… It’s probably time to stop thinking about getting a WR in the first round. It’ll probably be a DT.

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jeanpierre 02-25-2022 10:56 AM

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Guess we're all split, I say get the offensive line fixed early in the draft and sign a FA WRz and bring along another WR from the draft who would help, but you don't have to depend...

AsylumGuido 02-25-2022 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945782)
Guess we're all split, I say get the offensive line fixed early in the draft and sign a FA WRz and bring along another WR from the draft who would help, but you don't have to depend...

I have to agree with K on going impact WR early and seeing what healthy offensive linemen with better coaching can accomplish.

saintsfan1976 02-25-2022 11:46 AM

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So much WR talent this year I can see waiting.

So much talent at WR this year I can see them not waiting.

saintfan 02-25-2022 12:10 PM

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I have to agree with K on going impact WR early and seeing what healthy offensive linemen with better coaching can accomplish.

But but, 17-0! Who cares who's the WR, and who cares that the line sucked? Right speedo? :rolleyes:

ChrisXVI 02-25-2022 02:19 PM

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I don’t really want us to go defense in the first. It’s just looking a little more clear what kind of team we’re going to be: defense/run the ball. If we don’t go defense it’ll be LT.

halloween 65 02-25-2022 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 945804)
I don’t really want us to go defense in the first. It’s just looking a little more clear what kind of team we’re going to be: defense/run the ball. If we don’t go defense it’ll be LT.

Not but a couple good LT in the draft, G yes, RT so so. I believe D in the 1st also.

saintsfan1976 02-26-2022 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 945804)
I don’t really want us to go defense in the first. It’s just looking a little more clear what kind of team we’re going to be: defense/run the ball. If we don’t go defense it’ll be LT.

You may be discounting Winston at QB.

Defense. Yes, absolutely. And why not?

Run the ball. Sure. Haven't we all been screaming at SP to run the ball more or at least with more consistency?

IMO, Jameis in the same offense with a couple upgraded weapons can burn a defense at any moment.

So maybe it's "balance" you're referring to. Which, believe it or not, does win games and Superbowls even.

I'm fine with a balanced attack and solid defense!

So if they shore up needs in FA then go with BPA in draft, how can you argue

jeanpierre 02-26-2022 09:03 AM

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Jameis Winston PaYds/Gm in 2021 - 148, 111, 128, 226, 279, 222, 56...

Only one game over 250 PaYd; injured in the last game, but he was injured late in the second quarter...

Of his 14 PaTDs, nine (9) came in two (2) of seven (7) games - the Green Bay outlier, and the other against a Redskins team missing three of its five DBs...

Jameis Winston also had the benefit of playing with the healthier, better offensive linemen this past season and still that were his paltry numbers...

Sorry, not sorry, Winston is overrated and we definitely shouldn't overpay - he's not the answer...

saintfan 02-26-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945832)
Jameis Winston PaYds/Gm in 2021 - 148, 111, 128, 226, 279, 222, 56...

Only one game over 250 PaYd; injured in the last game, but he was injured late in the second quarter...

Of his 14 PaTDs, nine (9) came in two (2) of seven (7) games - the Green Bay outlier, and the other against a Redskins team missing three of its five DBs...

Jameis Winston also had the benefit of playing with the healthier, better offensive linemen this past season and still that were his paltry numbers...

Sorry, not sorry, Winston is overrated and we definitely shouldn't overpay - he's not the answer...

Thanks for putting some numbers to it - and I'm not suggesting we can't win with Jameis. I think we can. The honest look shows our offense, even when healthy and not Covid-stricken was not great. Not JETS bad, but not great. Something wasn't right. It's a new year, and with every new year there is new hope.

ChrisXVI 02-26-2022 09:27 AM

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We didn’t have a single starting-caliber WR or TE last season.

K Major 02-26-2022 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 945836)
We didn’t have a single starting-caliber WR or TE last season.

This is why I continue to beat a dead horse on WR in the draft / free agency. The last 4 teams standing were DEEP (1-4) at those positions.

Saints would be foolish to ignore this ... again in 2022.

There will be playmakers available to us in Free Agency & on draft night.

K Major 02-26-2022 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945832)
Jameis Winston PaYds/Gm in 2021 - 148, 111, 128, 226, 279, 222, 56...

Only one game over 250 PaYd; injured in the last game, but he was injured late in the second quarter...

Of his 14 PaTDs, nine (9) came in two (2) of seven (7) games - the Green Bay outlier, and the other against a Redskins team missing three of its five DBs...

Jameis Winston also had the benefit of playing with the healthier, better offensive linemen this past season and still that were his paltry numbers...

Sorry, not sorry, Winston is overrated and we definitely shouldn't overpay - he's not the answer...

5-2 (14 td/3 int ratio) as a QB in NO coach & throwing to "paltry" scrubs. Kinda hard to put up Madden numbers when your WR core is either practice squad material or a former 1st round busts. You've even mentioned it several times that Callaway should change jersey numbers. Saints need weapons at WR. Legit targets. Guys who can run routes.

Curious, who is the answer at QB in 2022 for New Orleans? Wentz? Mariota? Taysom Hill? Ian Book? The upcoming draft perhaps :rolleyes:

Speaking of "overpaying"... what was the front office thinking with that Taysom Hill contract? That's a ton of money to give a guy who was injured & a backup. Sean Payton with a lot of lip service on "the next Steve Young is in the building" nonsense.

But I digress :bng:.

jeanpierre 02-26-2022 08:24 PM

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saintfan 02-27-2022 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 945836)
We didn’t have a single starting-caliber WR or TE last season.

Exactly. We had zero playmakers...and while 'some' here (Speedo) argued otherwise, it was nonetheless accurate. Now we have 1 as long as he's healthy. 1 ain't enough.

K Major 02-27-2022 11:53 AM

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Exactly. We had zero playmakers...and while 'some' here (Speedo) argued otherwise, it was nonetheless accurate. Now we have 1 as long as he's healthy. 1 ain't enough.

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Rell&Gold 02-27-2022 01:39 PM

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Lol no offense I would highly upset at this draft we passed up on A LOT of offensive firepower in this scenario not opposed to trading back just NOT for Matt Corral NFL comparison = Jalen Hurts IMO....Heavy RPO first reads NO way we win him in our first year over Jameis. Kenny Pickett Carson Strong Sam Howell Malik Willis I would take OVER Corral

K Major 02-27-2022 08:08 PM

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Ikem Ekwonu, OT (North Carolina State)

Day 1 starter? ...

K Major 02-27-2022 08:11 PM

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Dameon Pierce, Florida - RB

(5-6th rounder)


ChrisXVI 02-27-2022 08:22 PM

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We should start to get some rumors this week from the scouting combine. Although, in all the years of following the draft the Saints haven’t drafted a single player that I’ve heard they’re showing a lot of interest in. It’s the rumors and speculation though that keeps us going this time of year.

saintsfan1976 02-28-2022 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945832)
Jameis Winston PaYds/Gm in 2021 - 148, 111, 128, 226, 279, 222, 56...

Only one game over 250 PaYd; injured in the last game, but he was injured late in the second quarter...

Of his 14 PaTDs, nine (9) came in two (2) of seven (7) games - the Green Bay outlier, and the other against a Redskins team missing three of its five DBs...

Jameis Winston also had the benefit of playing with the healthier, better offensive linemen this past season and still that were his paltry numbers...

Sorry, not sorry, Winston is overrated and we definitely shouldn't overpay - he's not the answer...

Are you trying to play Devil's Advocate here?

You'd have to NOT watch any of those games to think Winston was overrated.

K Major 02-28-2022 08:15 AM

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Dohnovan West - interior offensive lineman
Arizona State

Has played right and left guard/center in college.

Versatile player / mid to late-round selection.

jeanpierre 02-28-2022 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 945910)
Are you trying to play Devil's Advocate here?

You'd have to NOT watch any of those games to think Winston was overrated.

Watching it all...

jeanpierre 02-28-2022 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945912)
Dohnovan West - interior offensive lineman
Arizona State

Has played right and left guard/center in college.

Versatile player / mid to late-round selection.

His teammate at OT Kellen Diesch is interesting, though scouts are saying he'd need a #RedshirtSeason to build his functional strength...

jeanpierre 02-28-2022 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 945904)
Ikem Ekwonu, OT (North Carolina State)

Day 1 starter? ...

Length? He's only listed at 6' 4" and the Saints Scouting have their profiles; also described as raw, so would he be a Day 1 starter?

K Major 02-28-2022 08:37 AM

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Tyler Linderbaum, C (Iowa)

Pick #18.

Would Dougie M even consider moving Erik back to Guard & Ruiz demoted?

Imagine how many people would come unglued if that was the pick here :).

K Major 02-28-2022 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 945917)
Length? He's only listed at 6' 4" and the Saints Scouting have their profiles; also described as raw, so would he be a Day 1 starter?

Yes sir.

Technique/hand speed is good, athletic & dominated in the run game. His tape shows that he is very, very strong. I wouldn't rule him out transitioning to guard.

Oh JP, don't let the 6'4 (length) fool ya. Look at how rookie of year - 2021 (former 1st rounder pick #13) Rashawn Slater dominated at OT.

Almost identical measurables to Ikem.


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