Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!

pakowitz · 04-23-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

no sir you are wrong, one player does not make a team. Moss did not do that by himself. If memory serves and I think it does the pats brought in 3 new wide outs last year, didn't they???

yes they did, but i guarentee if you take moss off that team, welker doesnt have the year he had... moss was doubled and tripled all year long opening holes all over for the other WRs

spkb25 · 04-23-2008, 04:03 PM

pak the difference between dorsey, ellis and the rest is huge based on their college careers and where they play. You can not determine what they will do at the next level based on that alone. It may be the best information you have to go on but do not state it as if it is fact already. It isn't.

gandhi1007 · 04-23-2008, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I have no issue getting dorsey if we are not mortgaging our future. I think though to stay at 10 still gets you a player that can help you and if you are wrong does not destroy your team this year and next. That is what you could be risking by trying to move from 10-2 and if you are wrong.

I don't think the Saints would be selling the farm by giving a 1st, 2nd, & a possible pick next year to get Dorsey....do you? If the price is to steep, they have already said they will stay at #10. They will not be letting Mike Ditka negotiate the trade. If the price is right, they will move up. To me....this is the best scenario for the organization. Dorsey may just be the piece of the puzzle that this team has been in search of for so long. Think of it....our LB group is improved, our offense is stellar, our CB's will benefit from the D-line's penetration, & the D-line will be very solid if not stellar.

spkb25 · 04-23-2008, 04:06 PM

That is a fair point to pak. I find it difficult to digest as the same did not occur in Oakland. I think the difference would be the supporting cast. You are right though there are players that shine because of someone else demanding so much attention. Like clyde simmons success opposite reggie white.

spkb25 · 04-23-2008, 04:08 PM

yes i think our first and second this year coupled with what would probably be a first next year, yes = to much.

pakowitz · 04-23-2008, 04:09 PM

every level of our Defense has been improved except for safety and and DT.. with no safetys worth the 10th pick.. DT is the obvious choice and we have the chance to acquire the best DT prospect to come out in years.. he would immediatly start.. dorsey and ellis are both better right now then Bryan Young, and they would both be just beginning their careers!!

gandhi1007 · 04-23-2008, 04:10 PM

I don't think we would have to give up next year's 1st. Next year's second ought to do it.

pakowitz · 04-23-2008, 04:12 PM

im not sure we can offer the 2nd as its part of the vilma deal..

BRSaintsFan · 04-23-2008, 04:12 PM

I think you have no argument that the Pats reach the Super Bowl without Randy Moss. He was the acquisition that brought them there last season. Maybe Bob Sanders means more, maybe not, its a moot point. They do not make the Super Bowl in 06 without a Bob Sanders that made everyone on the defense better. Can you peg a Bob Sanders impact S in this draft? No. Can you peg two of the best DTs to come out in years? Yes. Think of some of the best defenses in the league over the course of the past few years and think where the play starts. Minnesota - KEvin Williams. Tennessee - Albert Haynesworth. JAcksonville - John Henderson. Chicago - Tommie Harris. None of those defenses are shadows of themselves without those DTs as shown when those players have missed time. Why do you think NFL GMs are always putting a premium on players that can be impact DTs? Because they know that a stud DT can make a defense. Again, these teams have not made it to the Super Bowl because of their subpar offeneses. We have one of the most explosive offenses in the league and coupled with an impact DT that can transform a defense much like these others, that one player in effect can be the missing piece that takes a team to the Super Bowl.

spkb25 · 04-23-2008, 04:13 PM

that is true pak, more then likely much better than what we have. we have needed a dt since back when sully ate his buns out of the nfl. if our d-line dominates the line it helps the rest of the d. look at the giants. d line dominating is huge in being able to win.

btw i m picking the vikes to win the north.

04-23-2008, 04:00 PM	#161
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p Originally Posted by spkb25 no sir you are wrong, one player does not make a team. Moss did not do that by himself. If memory serves and I think it does the pats brought in 3 new wide outs last year, didn't they??? yes they did, but i guarentee if you take moss off that team, welker doesnt have the year he had... moss was doubled and tripled all year long opening holes all over for the other WRs

04-23-2008, 04:03 PM	#162
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p pak the difference between dorsey, ellis and the rest is huge based on their college careers and where they play. You can not determine what they will do at the next level based on that alone. It may be the best information you have to go on but do not state it as if it is fact already. It isn't.

04-23-2008, 04:05 PM	#163
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p Originally Posted by spkb25 I have no issue getting dorsey if we are not mortgaging our future. I think though to stay at 10 still gets you a player that can help you and if you are wrong does not destroy your team this year and next. That is what you could be risking by trying to move from 10-2 and if you are wrong. I don't think the Saints would be selling the farm by giving a 1st, 2nd, & a possible pick next year to get Dorsey....do you? If the price is to steep, they have already said they will stay at #10. They will not be letting Mike Ditka negotiate the trade. If the price is right, they will move up. To me....this is the best scenario for the organization. Dorsey may just be the piece of the puzzle that this team has been in search of for so long. Think of it....our LB group is improved, our offense is stellar, our CB's will benefit from the D-line's penetration, & the D-line will be very solid if not stellar.
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04-23-2008, 04:06 PM	#164
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p That is a fair point to pak. I find it difficult to digest as the same did not occur in Oakland. I think the difference would be the supporting cast. You are right though there are players that shine because of someone else demanding so much attention. Like clyde simmons success opposite reggie white.

04-23-2008, 04:08 PM	#165
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p yes i think our first and second this year coupled with what would probably be a first next year, yes = to much.

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04-23-2008, 04:09 PM	#166
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p every level of our Defense has been improved except for safety and and DT.. with no safetys worth the 10th pick.. DT is the obvious choice and we have the chance to acquire the best DT prospect to come out in years.. he would immediatly start.. dorsey and ellis are both better right now then Bryan Young, and they would both be just beginning their careers!!

04-23-2008, 04:10 PM	#167
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p I don't think we would have to give up next year's 1st. Next year's second ought to do it.

04-23-2008, 04:12 PM	#168
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p im not sure we can offer the 2nd as its part of the vilma deal..

04-23-2008, 04:12 PM	#169
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p I think you have no argument that the Pats reach the Super Bowl without Randy Moss. He was the acquisition that brought them there last season. Maybe Bob Sanders means more, maybe not, its a moot point. They do not make the Super Bowl in 06 without a Bob Sanders that made everyone on the defense better. Can you peg a Bob Sanders impact S in this draft? No. Can you peg two of the best DTs to come out in years? Yes. Think of some of the best defenses in the league over the course of the past few years and think where the play starts. Minnesota - KEvin Williams. Tennessee - Albert Haynesworth. JAcksonville - John Henderson. Chicago - Tommie Harris. None of those defenses are shadows of themselves without those DTs as shown when those players have missed time. Why do you think NFL GMs are always putting a premium on players that can be impact DTs? Because they know that a stud DT can make a defense. Again, these teams have not made it to the Super Bowl because of their subpar offeneses. We have one of the most explosive offenses in the league and coupled with an impact DT that can transform a defense much like these others, that one player in effect can be the missing piece that takes a team to the Super Bowl.

04-23-2008, 04:13 PM	#170
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p that is true pak, more then likely much better than what we have. we have needed a dt since back when sully ate his buns out of the nfl. if our d-line dominates the line it helps the rest of the d. look at the giants. d line dominating is huge in being able to win. btw i m picking the vikes to win the north.