Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!

Euphoria · 04-21-2008, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

Let's try to keep a little perspective. Writing off a second round pick as an automatic "average player or backup" is ridiculous. I could spend the time giving examples of guys who went in the second round who were hall of famers. I could also show a bunch of guys who went in much later rounds and who are best-of-the-best at their position and likely hall-of-famers.

There's certainly some risk in moving up, but I can understand the thinking behind it. There are also some good arguments to stand where we are in the draft. Neither idea is one I would consider foolish, when based upon reasoned points.

This is a week draft class... making picks is a gamble. Now I am ok with staying put and getting Rivers and I don't care who else after that because they aren't a whole lot out there that I like. To much gambling on those picks. I'd give up a 2nd to take my chances with Dorsey. Not only that but take into account that we have some CB's with rings already and the key ingredient we are missning from our CB's getting another ring??? PASS RUSH! Get Dorsey.

pakowitz · 04-21-2008, 12:52 PM

2. St. Louis Rams, Glenn Dorsey, defensive tackle, LSU

If Jake Long gets selected with the first pick, the Rams will focus their efforts on rebuilding their defensive line. While Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett would love to have Dorsey added to his defensive scheme, don’t be surprised to see the Rams get a host of calls about trading down, and in particular from the New Orleans Saints.

The Saints have Dorsey on top of their draft board, and with a huge hole for them at defensive tackle, the LSU All-American is their target guy to trade up for.

10. New Orleans Saints, Keith Rivers, outside linebacker, USC

I am convinced the Saints will move up in the first-round to land either Dorsey or Ellis to solidify their defensive tackle spot, while Rivers would be a good fit player for either New England or St. Louis in a trade down.

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Euphoria · 04-21-2008, 02:06 PM

Dolphins and Long closer and closer to making deal... Sounds like the Saints - Rams talk to really hear up to make a trade... here comes Dorsey in black and gold!!!

ProFootballTalk.com - FINS, JAKE LONG NEARING A DEAL?

ScottyRo · 04-21-2008, 03:17 PM

I'm not going to say that it isn't going to happen, but geez, man, you're hopes are sky high on this. You're setting yourself up for being not so 'euphoric' on Saturday afternoon.

Euphoria · 04-21-2008, 03:22 PM

don't get me wrong staying put at 10 is ok with me but don't see it doing much good for us. I strongly feel that getting youung blood in the front 7 who are explosive and can create pressure on the QB is the problem. We have to address it with the best players we can get and if it takes moving up to 2 and snagging Dorsey then so be it. We have had the same problem for years and its so easy for people to point the fingers at the CB's and all but the big picture is we give opposing QB's way to much time in the pocket. DT's are aging and slowing down big time. GET A BEAST!

jeanpierre · 04-22-2008, 05:04 AM

An impact DT would be great; but it's more prudent to stay and and keep the early Round 2 pick...

This draft is not as bad as some are saying; the confusion is an argument could be made for several players to be No. 1 coupled with the fact that Parcells has that No. 1 pick...

There are plenty of great players to be had in the midround picks; it's Not your No. 1 pick that gets you to the Big Game, it's those R2-R4 guys...

Just look at the Giants draft last year; they added guys to all parts of their team form all rounds in the draft...

More is better; Saints Scouting just has to step up and add guys they can contribute immedialtely and not be like the Saints of the past who develop players who go on to other teams...

BRSaintsFan · 04-22-2008, 08:40 AM

If you can get lucky like the Giants and hit on each draft pick you make, then, absolutely more is better. Typically, you hit on some players and miss on others in the draft so its not about quantity as much as quality. If you have a player as a sure prospect or a safe pick, then thats the guy you take. You do not stockpile picks and bring in 10 guys and hope that a handful of them make the roster and make some sort of contribution to the team unless you are in rebuilding mode. We are not in rebuilding mode. We are on the cusp and need to make the plays for the IMPACT players that can put us over the top. Drafting for quantity and being patient with all of the prospects we get is not at all what the Saints want or need. They need players who can contribute immediately even if in some cases their ceiling is limited.

BooBirdSaint · 04-22-2008, 08:40 AM

No way Jim Haslett agrees to help the Saints get a player. Moving to number 2 is a pipe dream, delusion, fantasy never happen...

lsutigerfan · 04-22-2008, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint

No way Jim Haslett agrees to help the Saints get a player. Moving to number 2 is a pipe dream, delusion, fantasy never happen...

I would say you're right if it was Hasletts call but its not.

Euphoria · 04-22-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

An impact DT would be great; but it's more prudent to stay and and keep the early Round 2 pick...

This draft is not as bad as some are saying; the confusion is an argument could be made for several players to be No. 1 coupled with the fact that Parcells has that No. 1 pick...

There are plenty of great players to be had in the midround picks; it's Not your No. 1 pick that gets you to the Big Game, it's those R2-R4 guys...

Just look at the Giants draft last year; they added guys to all parts of their team form all rounds in the draft...

More is better; Saints Scouting just has to step up and add guys they can contribute immedialtely and not be like the Saints of the past who develop players who go on to other teams...

More is not better. More picks don't equate into a championship team. Winning makes you a championship team. In order to do that you get impact players who can impact games. We have enough of average, or the R2-R4 players on this team, its time we find some players to make an impact. You don't settle for a bunch of average players... you need some but you need those winner/impact guys along with them. We are lacking in the impact department on D.

R2-R4 will get you 8-8 or 7-9.

04-21-2008, 10:39 AM	#111
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by FrenzyFan Let's try to keep a little perspective. Writing off a second round pick as an automatic "average player or backup" is ridiculous. I could spend the time giving examples of guys who went in the second round who were hall of famers. I could also show a bunch of guys who went in much later rounds and who are best-of-the-best at their position and likely hall-of-famers. There's certainly some risk in moving up, but I can understand the thinking behind it. There are also some good arguments to stand where we are in the draft. Neither idea is one I would consider foolish, when based upon reasoned points. This is a week draft class... making picks is a gamble. Now I am ok with staying put and getting Rivers and I don't care who else after that because they aren't a whole lot out there that I like. To much gambling on those picks. I'd give up a 2nd to take my chances with Dorsey. Not only that but take into account that we have some CB's with rings already and the key ingredient we are missning from our CB's getting another ring??? PASS RUSH! Get Dorsey.

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pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! 2. St. Louis Rams, Glenn Dorsey, defensive tackle, LSU If Jake Long gets selected with the first pick, the Rams will focus their efforts on rebuilding their defensive line. While Rams defensive coordinator Jim Haslett would love to have Dorsey added to his defensive scheme, don’t be surprised to see the Rams get a host of calls about trading down, and in particular from the New Orleans Saints. The Saints have Dorsey on top of their draft board, and with a huge hole for them at defensive tackle, the LSU All-American is their target guy to trade up for. 10. New Orleans Saints, Keith Rivers, outside linebacker, USC I am convinced the Saints will move up in the first-round to land either Dorsey or Ellis to solidify their defensive tackle spot, while Rivers would be a good fit player for either New England or St. Louis in a trade down. Mike D's mock draft of the first round \| HoumaToday.com \| The Courier \| Houma, LA
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Dolphins and Long closer and closer to making deal... Sounds like the Saints - Rams talk to really hear up to make a trade... here comes Dorsey in black and gold!!! ProFootballTalk.com - FINS, JAKE LONG NEARING A DEAL?

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! don't get me wrong staying put at 10 is ok with me but don't see it doing much good for us. I strongly feel that getting youung blood in the front 7 who are explosive and can create pressure on the QB is the problem. We have to address it with the best players we can get and if it takes moving up to 2 and snagging Dorsey then so be it. We have had the same problem for years and its so easy for people to point the fingers at the CB's and all but the big picture is we give opposing QB's way to much time in the pocket. DT's are aging and slowing down big time. GET A BEAST!
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by jeanpierre An impact DT would be great; but it's more prudent to stay and and keep the early Round 2 pick... This draft is not as bad as some are saying; the confusion is an argument could be made for several players to be No. 1 coupled with the fact that Parcells has that No. 1 pick... There are plenty of great players to be had in the midround picks; it's Not your No. 1 pick that gets you to the Big Game, it's those R2-R4 guys... Just look at the Giants draft last year; they added guys to all parts of their team form all rounds in the draft... More is better; Saints Scouting just has to step up and add guys they can contribute immedialtely and not be like the Saints of the past who develop players who go on to other teams... More is not better. More picks don't equate into a championship team. Winning makes you a championship team. In order to do that you get impact players who can impact games. We have enough of average, or the R2-R4 players on this team, its time we find some players to make an impact. You don't settle for a bunch of average players... you need some but you need those winner/impact guys along with them. We are lacking in the impact department on D. R2-R4 will get you 8-8 or 7-9.