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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I'm going to say this & then I'm going to leave it alone.... Dorsey won a national championship, the Outland award, the Nagurski award, the Lombardi award, & the Lott award. To think that he won ...
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04-18-2008, 11:06 AM | #81 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Originally Posted by gandhi1007
All I was originally trying to express that with so much hype about him every game, I was expecting more production. He averaged 5 or 6 tackles per game last season. You'll have to tell me if that is good b/c I don't know comparatively. Hype goes a long way and I wonder whether he'd have won all of those awards had the team not won the championship. I never said he wasn't a good player at LSU.
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Again, HAHAHA
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY OFF. I'm a SAINTS FAN FIRST AND FOREMOST. College football is just the farm league for the league that I love. Some of you obviously don't have the Saints first on your list of favorite teams. Hey, there's nothing wrong with that, but don't try to poke holes in me because of where I live when you are obviously letting your love for LSU affect the way you see things for the Saints. |
04-18-2008, 11:22 AM | #83 |
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Originally Posted by ScottyRo
As with any draft, there is always the possibility of a bad choice. However...in this year's draft, there are only two guy's I would be willing to move up for: Glen Dorsey or Darren McFadden. Not just b/c they are from the SEC (although I will admit that I am bias), but b/c they have excelled in the nation's toughest conference for 3 years in a row. As you stated above...nothing is a sure thing. However, Dorsey is as close to a sure thing in the draft as anything I have seen in the past 10 years. He would be worth the cost, especially when you consider that this is a position of great need for the Saints.
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04-18-2008, 12:18 PM | #84 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Originally Posted by ScottyRo
Keep in my mind that stats are not the only thing to look at. Im sure you have seen the videos and game film available to the public on Dorsey. It is not only the tangibles - the power, the strength, the motor, the burst, the quickness for a man his size, agility, penetration ability, stoutness at the point of attack, leverage, and range. Its also the intangibles that take away much of the bust factor - hard worker, toughness, terrific teammate, smarts, awareness, experience and instincts. Again, its not just the measurables or stats. And I can not stress enough - the thing about Dorsey that makes him so valuable is the ability to make everyone around him better. Think Kevin Williams of Minnesota or Haynesworth in Tennessee. These guys take the players around them and make them better. Dorsey is that type of player.
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04-18-2008, 01:21 PM | #85 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan
Yes you don't go by stats alone.
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04-18-2008, 01:30 PM | #86 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Stats might not be amazing, but I look at two things: 1) he played hurt for more than half the season after getting cheap shotted, and 2) he was consistently double and triple teamed. When he was healthy, he could fight through those double teams, but he struggled a little more after the injury. When he was healthy, he was hands down the best defensive player in the country. Nobody could stop him with just one guy. Against Florida, the one play in the entire game that they didn't double team him was on the final unsuccessful drive for Florida, and Dorsey head slapped the sh** of the lineman, knocked him out of the way, and then planted Tebow. But perhaps the one play that I remember the most that makes me certain he's the best defensive player in the draft when healthy is this:
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Yeah gotta love that one.
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04-18-2008, 03:30 PM | #88 |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan
Good points, but I have to stand on the idea that I'm not comfortable giving up Rivers (assuming he would be our guy) and our second round pick in this draft, for Dorsey. The argument that you may not get an upgrade for this year applies to every singly draft pick, including the #1 over all. You can look at examples of this everywhere and at every position on the field. The NFL level game is nothing like the college game and therefore there are no guarantees.
It's all a bunch of what-ifs, and I recognize that. Still feel like our defense needs more urgent help at CB and at LB than at DT. I think Dorsey will be great, just not sure if his skills can compensate for all our weaknesses. It might be better idea to keep our two early picks and try to fill more holes. I like a great DT but when I think of the keys to great defenses, I think of LBs. For every "Mean Joe" Green, you have Ham and Lambert. I couldn't remember the name of the NT during the dome patrol years (had to look it up - Jim Wilks), but I can tell you the names of all four LBs. Just my two cents. |
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!
but its the DTs that keep the olinemen off of them linebackers allowing them to make the plays... DTs do the dirty work.. games are won and lost in the trenches
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