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With the Colston news and all and reading about the state of receivers, I had to skip DE but will get to that afterwards. Here are the current top five projected in my preferred order.
1. Obviously we know he's at the top. And honestly it isn't close. He lacks some speed, but is tough and all the other receivers are either short or lacking in muscular build. He's not a Cooper or Watkins however, but for us he'll suffice. 2.Josh Doctson vs Minnesota (2015) | Draft Breakdown Josh Doctson vs Texas (2015) | Draft Breakdown Josh Doctson vs Kansas State (2015) | Draft Breakdown Josh Doctson vs Texas Tech (2015) | Draft Breakdown This was one I wasn't expecting to see. He almost made a case for the top because he did look more quicker than Treadwell. However, he's not in the SEC, he's less than 210 pounds(Wiki has him 190, CBS has him 201). But he could work with us because he's not going to be the number 1 receiver that draws defenses and if he does that frees up Cooks. He is 6'2(wiki has him 6'4) that's one positive, and according to DB he drops some passes. But again, he was the top option at TCU. He got hurt last year so there's that concern. If Treadwell does not fall to us, he may be someone we should try to get in 2nd round. 3. Small sample size, and looks quick. But he's 6'0. The only negative and that's a big one. He does not benefit us over Doctson. 4.Corey Coleman vs Texas Tech (2015) | Draft Breakdown Corey Coleman vs Oklahoma State (2015) | Draft Breakdown Corey Coleman vs Kansas (2015) | Draft Breakdown My issue here is similar to Fuller, he's short in stature. He looks quick in that Baylor offense. But Big 12 competition can be deceiving. He's also possibly inury prone. I'm staying away. 5. He wasn't even the number 1 here. So he lacked targets, and didn't break away well from defenses either. He also cannot pass block. But we should know never to draft an offensive player from a Meyer system. Draft Round 1-Treadwell Round 2-Doctson Do Not Draft Round 1-Coleman Round 2-Thomas Round 3-Fuller |
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I will get to the next batch tomorrow or the weekend where I can observe Cooper(who plays for my gamecocks and I ended up quitting watching early season on because I knew what was going to happen).
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R1, S12 (Pick 12) WR Laquon Treadwell, Mississippi; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.
R1, S12 (Pick 12) DL Jarron Reed, Alabama; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 311 lbs. (Trade out of First, Seek 2017 First Round and 2016 Second Round Pick (Like the trade with New England)) (Trade back in First, Seek 2016 First Round (DE Kevin Dodd, Clemson; Height: 6' 5", 277 lbs.) and 2016 Third Round Pick (Like the trade with Kansas City)) R2, S16 (Pick 47) DB Xavien Howard, Baylor; Height: 6’ 1”, Weight: 200 lbs. R2, S16 (Pick 47) NT Austin Johnson, Penn St; ; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 315 lbs. R3, S15 (Pick 78) DE Bronson Kaufusi, Brigham Young; Height: 6’ 6”, Weight: 285 lbs. R3, S15 (Pick 78) OG Christian Westerman, Arizona St.; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 298 lbs. R4, S14 (Pick 114*) TE Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky; Height: 6' 6"; Weight: 249 lbs. R4, S14 (Pick 114*) OG Connor McGovern, Missouri; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 306 lbs. R4, S14 (Pick 114*) SS Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah; Height: 6’ 2”, Weight: 223 lbs. R5, S13 (Pick 155*) LB Nick Vigil, Utah State; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 239 lbs. R5, S13 (Pick 155*) FS T.J. Green, Clemson; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 209 lbs. R5, S13 (Pick 155*) TE Jerell Adams, South Carolina; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 245 lbs. R5, S13 (Pick 155*) LB Joe Schobert, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 247 lbs. R5, S13 (Pick 155*) DL Matt Ioannadis, Temple; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 299 lbs. R6, S12 (Pick 192*) TRADED this pick with 2015 Sixth Round Pick traded for DB Damian Swann R7, S16 (Pick 230*) DE Adam Gotsis, Georgia Tech; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 285 lbs. R7, S16 (Pick 230*) LB Antwione Williams, Georgia Southern; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 247 lbs. R7, S16 (Pick 230*) OG Ted Karras, Illinois; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 308 lbs. R7, S16 (Pick 230*) OG Joe Dahl, Washington St; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 310 lbs. R7, S16 (Pick 230*) LB Terrance Smith, Florida St; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 235 lbs. And it all starts to come together... :bng: |
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2016 NFL Draft: Matt Miller's Post-Combine Scouting Notebook | Bleacher Report
Interesting notes as always with a little Saints tidbit: "The release of Marques Colston in New Orleans opens the door for a big outside receiver. I'm told area scouts there have a real liking for Michael Thomas of Ohio State, and could consider him if Sheldon Rankins and Darron Lee are off the board in Round 1." |
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Sorry fellas but the Saints will take either A Robinson, Rankins or Billings with the #12 pick. Edge rusher or a big nasty to clog of that middle. Expect a FA WR signing down the road.
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Wouldn't be surprised. But what FA receivers will be available? Coleman should have all the opportunities at least if we don't get one.
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DE Shaq Lawson, Clemson RB Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio State WR Laquon Treadwell, Ole Miss NT Jarran Reed, Alabama DL A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama Of the three only one does not make me cry, break down and whimper sure. Darron Lee - Undersized fast WLB? ok i can see it but it is a big reach based on need. But these two? Would make me break down and cry. All upside and a high risk. :( Michael Thomas- route tree? press? blocking? in our division? Sheldon Rankins - Undersized pass rushing DT? So the saints will pick the one of the last two and do it to me again this year.:brood: |
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Pro days have started.
OLB Stephen Weatherly Vanderbilt Outside linebacker Stephen Weatherly was the only player from these two schools to get an invite to the 2016 NFL Combine. He ran a 4.61 40 (t-6th)), had 23 reps on the bench press (4th), and had a 31 inch vertical (t-19th). He stands 6'4 and weighed in at 267 pounds. His 34 1/2 inch arm length was No. 1 among linebackers, and would have been tied for 8th among defensive linemen AND linebackers. He appears to be a day three prospect, who could eventually work his way into the starting lineup if he can turn his physical tools into production. He strikes me as a guy who could very well be on Trent Baalke and Chip Kelly's respective radars. TE Steve Scheu,6046 253 7/FA many felt should have been invited to the combine, had a good day. Scheu reportedly was timed the 40 in the high-4.6 range; and given that that is likely a hand-timed clocking figure that his actual time is somewhere in the mid-4.7 range. Scheu also has 23 reps in the bench press. FS R.J. Williamson reportedly ran even faster with an unofficial hand-timed 40 in the mid-to-high 4.4 range which likely translates to somewhere in the 4.55 range. Williamson, who was at the Shrine all-star game, also had a 35″ vertical and a 10-4 long jump 2016 NFL Draft Pro Days: Northern Arizona, Vanderbilt prospects get it started - Niners Nation Now for the NCAA all under performance team in 2015 RB D.J. Foster Arizona State a receiver and running back ran a 4.57-second 40 Devin Lucien WR Arizona State 6-foot-2, 195-pound ran anywhere from a 4.42 to a 4.52. Vi Teofilo G Arizona State 6030 325 5.17 bench 43 times. NORTHERN ARIZONA P/K Ryan Hawkins, who led all punters in the FCS ranks with a 46.0 average kick last fall, though, demonstrated plenty of leg strength as both a punter and kicker. |
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Noah Spence pro day doesn't draw any GMs or head coaches http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ct-noah-spenceSo much for those warm ecstasy fuzzies paying off |
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NFL Scouts to Visit Winnipeg for Bisons’ Onyemata
March 4, 2016 03:17 PM All eyes of the NFL will be on David Onyemata March 14. The University of Manitoba Bisons defensive lineman will hold a pro day football workout for at least 12-16 NFL scouts. Onyemata, 23, has made a lasting impression at the CIS level and continues to pursue a professional football career. “I am looking forward to the opportunity to work out for NFL scouts,” said Onyemata. “I appreciate coach (Brian) Dobie and his staff and the support they have shown me.” NFL Scouts to Visit Winnipeg for Bisons' David Onyemata |
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We haven't done well with running backs from Ohio State, and Ezekiel Elliott doesn't have a stellar social media record with his coaches, teammates... My position is clear with regards to Treadwell... I see the two Bama guys different with regards to positon... A'Shawn Robinson I see as a NT and will be as good John Jenkins, not worth a first round pick, and will need better players around him as he enjoyed at Bama... Now, Jarran Reed is someone I could see taking at No. 12 and would be an excellent DE or NT in a 3-4 front;but with Dennis Allen as DC, that's not likely to happen... Sheldon Rankins has Sedrick Ellis 2.0 written all over him; getting rolled up and out often, leaving linebackers exposed... Michael Thomas, just not sold, something is just making my spidey-sense tingle that there's something not right... |
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These are guys I'm sure the Saints FO is looking closely at with pick #12.
Noah Spence is off my short list. His interviews must have been terrible. |
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Darron Lee, Shaq Lawson could be in play for New Orleans Saints at No. - New Orleans Saints Blog- ESPN
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Myles Jack is rumored to have his own recovery issues Donald Lee while a solid prospect. I just did not see the impact this year to warrant this high of a jump in the rankings much less top 15. Which means the saints will probably take him. You thought this was small Myles Jack OLB UCLA 6011 245 4.56 look at this Darron Lee OLB Ohio State 6006 232 4.47 IMO his stock has sky rocketed because of injury, the media love for OLB and the fear of missing out on that surprise draft pick. Like over valuing DE because they are the glamor diva of the NFL. He is a huge reach IMO. some 15 to 30 picks higher than he should be. season end i had him as a high round two. |
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As high as we're picking, we really need that pick to start from Day 1...
Am still disappointed in Andrus Peat not being able to overtake Zach Strief at the least... Especially when CB Marcus Peters was on the board and we let him fall to KC... Imagine being able to pair Marcus Peters with Keenan Lewis AND Delvin Breaux! |
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Jalen Ramsey Vs Darron Lee
Jalen Ramsey, FS/CB/OLB Florida State, 6005, 209 Hands 9 1/2 Arms 33 3/8 Wing 40 4.41 20 2.57 10 1.51 3 Cone 6.94 20 Shuttle 4.18 60 Shuttle 11.10 Bench 14 Vertical 41.5 Broad 135 Darron Lee OLB/SS Ohio State 6006 232 4.47 Hands 9 3/4 Arms 33 1/4 Wing 40 4.47 20 2.60 10 1.54 3 Cone 7.12 20 Shuttle 4.20 60 Shuttle Bench 17 Vertical 35 1/2 Broad 133 They are mirror images of each other. The only difference is Ramsey has coverage skill that make him a great FS. Lee does not so he is IMO a SS playing LB. He would be an upgrade to KV probably. If Lee had better ball skills, which he may have, then I would be open to the idea a little bit more. If you are drafting a safety this high he better have ball skills. Want a boobie prize on day 2 of the draft? here you go Ramsey clone #3 Sean Davis S/CB Maryland 6011 201 Hands 9 1/2 Arms 31 3/8 Wing 40 4.46 20 2.60 10 1.56 3 Cone 6.64 20 Shuttle 3.97 60 Shuttle 11.53 Bench 21 Vertical 37.5 Broad 126 SS or FS makes no difference. Line him up next to Byrd day 1. Ball hawk, solid tackler and creates fumbles. Saints get the second best FS/SS/CB in the draft behind Ramsey. He is the next best thing to Ramsey in the draft and might be there in round 3. Put 20 to 30 more pounds on the kid and you have a poor mans Lee at OLB but this time he has coverage and ball skills. Which in my opinion is a waste, just like playing him at CB last year. FSU did the same stupid thing. I really like this kid. He did much better at the combine than I thought he would and would not be surprised to see him go in round 2. If the saints went this route I would be happy and have a big crow in freezer ready to eat. wait I still have my Rob crow so I am all set. |
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The 2013 NFL Class was a supposed deep class at safety...
Three were taken in the first round alone (Vaccaro, Reid, Elam)... And Jacksonville took Jonathan Cyprien at the top of the second... Other than Reid, most have had little, if any, individual impact... Every other year we hear about this deep, class of defensive linemen... This year's class is no different, many are ranked way too high... I find patience in the draft when the position is deep with talent is better... In the 2012 draft, Denver GM Elway felt the position was deep and waited... He selected DE Derek Wolfe in round 2 and Malik Jackson in round 5... We should show the same patience with regards to this deep DL draft... |
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needs should never be the driving force in a draft. it is just a guide at best.
bpa baby bpa it will sort itself out in a couple of years. |
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(excerpt) Here are the 10 pro days to watch heading into the 2016 NFL Draft
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com March 6, 2016 2:46 pm ET Here are the top 10 pro days to watch: Alabama, March 9: QB Jacob Coker, DT Jarran Reed, ILB Reggie Ragland Who to Watch and Why:... Clemson, March 10: CB Mackensie Alexander, DE Kevin Dodd... Ohio State, March 11: DE Joey Bosa, RB Ezekiel Elliott, CB Eli Apple, SS Vonn Bell... UCLA, March 15: OLB Myles Jack... Arkansas, March 16: TE Hunter Henry, RB Jonathan Williams, RB Alex Collins... Baylor, March 16: WR Corey Coleman, DT Andrew Billings, DE Shawn Oakman... California, March 18: QB Jared Goff, WR Kenny Lawler... USC, March 23: OLB Sua Cravens, C Max Tuerk... Utah, March 24: RB Devontae Booker... Mississippi, March 28: WR Laquon Treadwell, OT Laremy Tunsil, DT Robert Nkemdiche... Source: Here are the 10 pro days to watch heading into the 2016 NFL Draft - CBSSports.com |
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http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam
(excerpt update) New Orleans Saints No. 1 Team Need Defensive Tackle See the other needs ... Joey Bosa, DE/3-4OLB, Ohio State (COM) Michael Caputo, S, Wisconsin (EW) Le'Raven Clark, OT, Texas Tech (SR) Cody Core, WR, Ole Miss (EW) Josh Ferguson, RB, Illinois (EW) Chris Jones, DT/3-4DE, Mississippi State (COM) Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis (COM) Ross Martin, K, Duke (SR) Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama (SR) Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (COM) Brandon Shell, OT, South Carolina (EW) Noah Spence, OLB/DE/3-4OLB, Eastern Kentucky (SR) Chris Swain, FB, Navy (SR) Read more at http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMe...2Tm2ck5AE7r.99 |
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Teams Grading Xavien Howard in the Early Rounds
Updated Feb. 23, 2016 By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell Every year, there are some early-entry players in the NFL Draft who go under the radar with the media despite teams being impressed with them. In speaking with sources at five different teams, Baylor cornerback Xavien Howard would fit that description this year. All five teams had Howard graded in the first three rounds, with some being very bullish about his NFL prospects. No team had Howard lower than an early third-round pick. One team picking in the top 10 said they have a first-round grade on Howard and project him going late in the first. Another playoff team said they had Howard graded as a high second-round pick. Two other teams said they had Howard on the bubble of the second and third round. Those were the lowest grades on Howard among the five teams. The fifth team saw him as a mid second-round pick. Sources say they wouldn't be surprised if Howard becomes a hot name at or after the NFL Scouting Combine. The 6-foot-2, 200-pounder has great size, and teams are impressed with his 2015 tape. As a junior, Howard totaled 42 tackles with 10 breakups and five interceptions for the Bears. He isn't a one-year wonder either. In 2014, he had 51 stops with 13 breakups and four interceptions. Comment on this story here. Read more at WalterFootball.com: NFL Draft Rumor Mill |
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Teams Don't View Laquon Treadwell as a Top-10 Talent
Updated Feb. 5, 2016 By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell Over the past two seasons, the NFL Draft has produced some strong classes of wide receivers. This year, the draft isn't as strong at wideout, but that hasn't stopped the media from hyping up Ole Miss wide receiver Laquon Treadwell. It isn't surprising, as Treadwell was a star recruit coming out of high school, and he was a 3-year producer at Ole Miss. There have been lofty comparisons with Treadwell to other elite receiver prospects, but NFL teams aren't grading Treadwell that high. In fact, most of the teams we've spoken to have Treadwell as a late first-rounder, with only one saying they have him as mid first-round pick. The teams that are grading Treadwell as a late first-rounder say whoever likes him enough to draft him might do so in the middle of the first round. A general manger of a playoff team believes that Treadwell is a little overrated, and he views him as a big, strong, possession receiver in the NFL. Two other teams said they had Treadwell as a late first-rounder. One college scouting director said Treadwell could go in the mid first because this a weak year for receivers and teams will draft out of need at the position. The reason that teams aren't as high on Treadwell as the hype machine is a lack of speed to separate. They view Treadwell as a big, strong, long, possession receiver with good hands. He routinely uses his size and strength beat defensive backs for 50-50 passes. However, he isn't fast or explosive. He isn't a vertical threat to stretch a defense over the top. If Treadwell had speed, he'd be similar to Julio Jones or A.J. Green and a top 10-pick. Teams say they aren't expecting Treadwell to run fast at the Combine. The team that has Treadwell graded as a mid first-round pick, and liked him more than others, believes he has some characteristics similar to the Texans' DeAndre Hopkins in the ability to win 50-50 passes. Hopkins was a late first-rounder in the 2013 NFL Draft, but Houston clearly out-scouted the rest of the league, as Hopkins is one of the best players to come out of that draft class. If the 6-foot-2, 229-pound Treadwell runs well at the Combine, it could help to change some minds and push his draft grade higher. Right now, teams see him in the middle to back half of the picks on Thursday night with a grade of a late first-rounder being held by many teams. Read more at WalterFootball.com: NFL Draft Rumor Mill |
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R1, S12 (Pick 12) WR Laquon Treadwell, Mississippi; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.
R2, S16 (Pick 47) DB Xavien Howard, Baylor; Height: 6’ 1”, Weight: 200 lbs. R3, S15 (Pick 78) DE Bronson Kaufusi, Brigham Young; Height: 6’ 6”, Weight: 285 lbs. R4, S14 (Pick 114*) TE Tyler Higbee, Western Kentucky; Height: 6' 6"; Weight: 249 lbs. R5, S13 (Pick 155*) LB Nick Vigil, Utah State; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 239 lbs. R6, S12 (Pick 192*) TRADED this pick with 2015 Sixth Round Pick traded for DB Damian Swann R7, S16 (Pick 230*) OG Jordan Rigsbee, California; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 308 lbs. And it all starts to come together... :bng: |
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Xavien Howard, Baylor, Cornerback Hagan...watch his closing speed, like you said "go get ball", just absolutely amazing... soft, soft hands - he intercepts the ball over the shoulder better than most pro prospect receivers... his size gives us a big DB to match up on the larger receivers; he would smother smaller ones like Josh Norman did to Cooks on end zone routes... he could play both safety and cornerback; could allow Damian Swann to move to Free Safety... and my favorite...Howard can absolutely bring the wood, decleating smaller running backs... |
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I see all of that. But I see Browner also. I also a CB that hates to tackle in run support. He is a FS IMO. If your going to draft the kid that and that is your plan so be it. I can devote the time to him. We can not dump Jairus Byrd till 2017 at the earliest, so we need some one. I just want some one at FS that is good in run support and more refined in pass coverage so we can clear Byrd from our books. If this is to be the guy they better be ready to coach him up and make sure his football IQ is enough to work with.
As a CB I think NFL WR are going to abuse his physical playing style. Add to it the conference Baylor played in is not really loaded with top notch QBs. I am just so hesitant on the kid as a CB. I do not like read react skills as a main selling selling point at CB. Instincts are huge. Read and react is a safety trait. |
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Xavien may be better suited to play safety. The kid likes to mug you at the line & that is a no no at the NFL level. Will have issues with shifty, quick receivers. Saw him last year vs Texas Tech at Jerry land stadium ... big corner.
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Today was Marshalls Pro-Day
My homer favorite, Swedish guard, Sebastian Johansson had a good day. OL Sebastian Johansson 40 yards: 5.14 Vertical jumps: 32 1/2 Broad jump: 9-5 (Would have been tied for second at the combine) Pro bench (225-pound reps): 26 L-drill (3-cone): 7.27 (Would have been best result at combine) The Saints had no representative there today but I am still hoping :-D |
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