Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!

gandhi1007 · 04-23-2008, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I have no issue getting dorsey if we are not mortgaging our future. I think though to stay at 10 still gets you a player that can help you and if you are wrong does not destroy your team this year and next. That is what you could be risking by trying to move from 10-2 and if you are wrong.

I don't think the Saints would be selling the farm by giving a 1st, 2nd, & a possible pick next year to get Dorsey....do you? If the price is to steep, they have already said they will stay at #10. They will not be letting Mike Ditka negotiate the trade. If the price is right, they will move up. To me....this is the best scenario for the organization. Dorsey may just be the piece of the puzzle that this team has been in search of for so long. Think of it....our LB group is improved, our offense is stellar, our CB's will benefit from the D-line's penetration, & the D-line will be very solid if not stellar.

pakowitz · 04-23-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

no sir you are wrong, one player does not make a team. Moss did not do that by himself. If memory serves and I think it does the pats brought in 3 new wide outs last year, didn't they???

yes they did, but i guarentee if you take moss off that team, welker doesnt have the year he had... moss was doubled and tripled all year long opening holes all over for the other WRs

spkb25 · 04-23-2008, 02:27 PM

Hey I must have watched that on tv. It must have been on nfl network or espn.

BRSaintsFan · 04-23-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Hey I must have watched that on tv. It must have been on nfl network or espn.

O ok. Sure teams like the Patriots and Cowboys have benefited from trading fown (but dont forget the impact of Free Agency on these teams), but it depends on what your team needs to step up to the next level. In som circumstances like the Patriots this year, they would probably benefit from trading back as they have no glaring needs worthy of making a pick in the top 10, so why not trade back and take some chances on some players. Acquire more picks and select several players with the hopes that 1 or 2 pan out. Or improve your depth. But for a team like the Saints, that have clearly defined needs, you have to at least consider making a play for any player anywhere in the draft that has the potential to address the weaknesses of a team.

spkb25 · 04-23-2008, 02:58 PM

BRsaintsfan your last point was a good one, when speaking about how the pats have no glaring need and how that your draft strategy can adjust as a result.

spkb25 · 04-23-2008, 03:03 PM

pak the difference between dorsey, ellis and the rest is huge based on their college careers and where they play. You can not determine what they will do at the next level based on that alone. It may be the best information you have to go on but do not state it as if it is fact already. It isn't.

spkb25 · 04-23-2008, 03:06 PM

That is a fair point to pak. I find it difficult to digest as the same did not occur in Oakland. I think the difference would be the supporting cast. You are right though there are players that shine because of someone else demanding so much attention. Like clyde simmons success opposite reggie white.

spkb25 · 04-23-2008, 03:08 PM

yes i think our first and second this year coupled with what would probably be a first next year, yes = to much.

pakowitz · 04-23-2008, 03:09 PM

every level of our Defense has been improved except for safety and and DT.. with no safetys worth the 10th pick.. DT is the obvious choice and we have the chance to acquire the best DT prospect to come out in years.. he would immediatly start.. dorsey and ellis are both better right now then Bryan Young, and they would both be just beginning their careers!!

gandhi1007 · 04-23-2008, 03:10 PM

I don't think we would have to give up next year's 1st. Next year's second ought to do it.

04-23-2008, 03:05 PM	#1
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p Originally Posted by spkb25 I have no issue getting dorsey if we are not mortgaging our future. I think though to stay at 10 still gets you a player that can help you and if you are wrong does not destroy your team this year and next. That is what you could be risking by trying to move from 10-2 and if you are wrong. I don't think the Saints would be selling the farm by giving a 1st, 2nd, & a possible pick next year to get Dorsey....do you? If the price is to steep, they have already said they will stay at #10. They will not be letting Mike Ditka negotiate the trade. If the price is right, they will move up. To me....this is the best scenario for the organization. Dorsey may just be the piece of the puzzle that this team has been in search of for so long. Think of it....our LB group is improved, our offense is stellar, our CB's will benefit from the D-line's penetration, & the D-line will be very solid if not stellar.
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04-23-2008, 02:27 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p Hey I must have watched that on tv. It must have been on nfl network or espn.

04-23-2008, 02:48 PM	#4
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p Originally Posted by spkb25 Hey I must have watched that on tv. It must have been on nfl network or espn. O ok. Sure teams like the Patriots and Cowboys have benefited from trading fown (but dont forget the impact of Free Agency on these teams), but it depends on what your team needs to step up to the next level. In som circumstances like the Patriots this year, they would probably benefit from trading back as they have no glaring needs worthy of making a pick in the top 10, so why not trade back and take some chances on some players. Acquire more picks and select several players with the hopes that 1 or 2 pan out. Or improve your depth. But for a team like the Saints, that have clearly defined needs, you have to at least consider making a play for any player anywhere in the draft that has the potential to address the weaknesses of a team.

04-23-2008, 02:58 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p BRsaintsfan your last point was a good one, when speaking about how the pats have no glaring need and how that your draft strategy can adjust as a result.

04-23-2008, 03:03 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p pak the difference between dorsey, ellis and the rest is huge based on their college careers and where they play. You can not determine what they will do at the next level based on that alone. It may be the best information you have to go on but do not state it as if it is fact already. It isn't.

04-23-2008, 03:00 PM	#2
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p Originally Posted by spkb25 no sir you are wrong, one player does not make a team. Moss did not do that by himself. If memory serves and I think it does the pats brought in 3 new wide outs last year, didn't they??? yes they did, but i guarentee if you take moss off that team, welker doesnt have the year he had... moss was doubled and tripled all year long opening holes all over for the other WRs

04-23-2008, 03:06 PM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p That is a fair point to pak. I find it difficult to digest as the same did not occur in Oakland. I think the difference would be the supporting cast. You are right though there are players that shine because of someone else demanding so much attention. Like clyde simmons success opposite reggie white.

04-23-2008, 03:08 PM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p yes i think our first and second this year coupled with what would probably be a first next year, yes = to much.

04-23-2008, 03:09 PM	#9
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p every level of our Defense has been improved except for safety and and DT.. with no safetys worth the 10th pick.. DT is the obvious choice and we have the chance to acquire the best DT prospect to come out in years.. he would immediatly start.. dorsey and ellis are both better right now then Bryan Young, and they would both be just beginning their careers!!

04-23-2008, 03:10 PM	#10
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2 or #3!!! update on p I don't think we would have to give up next year's 1st. Next year's second ought to do it.

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