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jeanpierre 04-03-2021 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917557)
TJ Carrie
Bashaud Breeland
AJ Bouye
Richard Sherman
Casey Heyward ...

Vets that are still available & possible options at #2 CB.
Any better options?

jeanpierre 04-03-2021 01:08 AM
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jeanpierre 04-04-2021 06:20 PM
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K Major 04-04-2021 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917585)
I don't see many.

Maybe the Saints target a CB that gets cut (not because of lack of talent but numbers) from another team after camp.

Rugby Saint II 04-05-2021 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917643)
I don't see many.

Maybe the Saints target a CB that gets cut (not because of lack of talent but numbers) from another team after camp.
I have a feeling that we will be much more active in free agency after the draft when cuts come around.

ChrisXVI 04-05-2021 03:11 PM
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Oh that is just delightful!

lee909 04-05-2021 03:50 PM
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Cam spotting fresh meat

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jeanpierre 04-05-2021 06:37 PM
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I have a feeling that we will be much more active in free agency after the draft when cuts come around.
Part of that may be so we do lose any compensatory picks...

Rugby Saint II 04-06-2021 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917696)
Part of that may be so we do lose any compensatory picks...
We are finally coming around to the Patriot way!:biggun:

jeanpierre 04-06-2021 05:28 PM
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K Major 04-06-2021 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917753)
Nelson got roasted pretty good last season.

jeanpierre 04-06-2021 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 917747)
We are finally coming around to the Patriot way!:biggun:
Yeah, the Payton-Loomis bromance has been a little slow catching on to the Ravens-Patriots-Steelers free agency management...

Former Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome was one of the first guys to go through the NFL's Management Development Program as most the NFL was, is nepotism...

Ozzie got a PhD in Compensatory Picks; that's why he had the Ravens reloaded so fast and contending every other year...

Other teams are finally catching on...

jeanpierre 04-06-2021 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917759)
Nelson got roasted pretty good last season.
Yeah, talked to a friend who's a big Steelers fan this weekend (lost BF last week to the vaccine so we were catching up); mentioned Nelson, he said you can have 'em...

:neutral:

jeanpierre 04-07-2021 05:05 PM
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jeanpierre 04-07-2021 08:13 PM
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Boston Saint 04-08-2021 08:26 AM
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It’s interesting to think about how the COVID situation has impacted the Saints this off season. Maybe this has been brought up and maybe I’m stating the obvious here. But a good portion of the “Salary Cap Hell” the team found itself in was due to the massive cap reduction caused by the pandemic. They would likely have been slightly over either way, but it’s entirely possible Jenkins, Rankins, T Rex or some of the other cap casualties would have been retained without that massive reduction. Heck, it might have indirectly had an impact on Brees retiring. Just thinking out loud.

AsylumGuido 04-08-2021 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 917853)
It’s interesting to think about how the COVID situation has impacted the Saints this off season. Maybe this has been brought up and maybe I’m stating the obvious here. But a good portion of the “Salary Cap Hell” the team found itself in was due to the massive cap reduction caused by the pandemic. They would likely have been slightly over either way, but it’s entirely possible Jenkins, Rankins, T Rex or some of the other cap casualties would have been retained without that massive reduction. Heck, it might have indirectly had an impact on Brees retiring. Just thinking out loud.
The pandemic not only reduced the cap by around $16 million, but eliminated the $12-$15 million increase expected in 2022. That is up to a $31 million cap hit. Fortunately, with the new broadcast deals and the ever increasing popularity of the NFL this will be just a blip on the radar. There have been a record number of one year (or two to three year voiding to one) contracts that both the franchises and player/agents have agreed to this season to weather that blip.

Rugby Saint II 04-08-2021 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917832)
We hit on UDFA's because we have a vision for them. Some pop the first year like Harris while others need development and a season in an NFL weight room with a professional trainer. Where they learn new moves and techniques to fulfil Payton's vision. We have a ton of spots opening up and anyone competing will have a better shot than years gone by.

We have eight drat picks to help fill out the 30 or so spots on the roster. We can afford to bring in a mid-tier FA or maybe two and that leaves quite a bit of room to make the roster. We will probably bump up several PS members this year who are ready to take on their role.

jeanpierre 04-08-2021 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 917892)
We hit on UDFA's because we have a vision for them. Some pop the first year like Harris while others need development and a season in an NFL weight room with a professional trainer. Where they learn new moves and techniques to fulfil Payton's vision. We have a ton of spots opening up and anyone competing will have a better shot than years gone by.

We have eight drat picks to help fill out the 30 or so spots on the roster. We can afford to bring in a mid-tier FA or maybe two and that leaves quite a bit of room to make the roster. We will probably bump up several PS members this year who are ready to take on their role.
Yeah, and that's what teams who win have to do, get rookies involved Year 1, and then coach 'em up, develop them, bring them along...

Harris should be seeing some significant snaps at WRz this year, which I look forward to having a QB who can throw with some accuracy downfield...

jeanpierre 04-08-2021 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 917861)
The pandemic not only reduced the cap by around $16 million, but eliminated the $12-$15 million increase expected in 2022. That is up to a $31 million cap hit. Fortunately, with the new broadcast deals and the ever increasing popularity of the NFL this will be just a blip on the radar. There have been a record number of one year (or two to three year voiding to one) contracts that both the franchises and player/agents have agreed to this season to weather that blip.
And Payton/Loomis playing right up to the cap finally caught up and cost some talent this year; basic money management - leave some on the side for rainy days...

And no local journalist will call Payton on it for fear of retaliation led by the Saints Media Whip...

No matter, it's done, let's see what happens moving forward and if they learn from their mistakes or if that takes a few seasons...

Boston Saint 04-08-2021 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917918)
And Payton/Loomis playing right up to the cap finally caught up and cost some talent this year; basic money management - leave some on the side for rainy days...

And no local journalist will call Payton on it for fear of retaliation led by the Saints Media Whip...

No matter, it's done, let's see what happens moving forward and if they learn from their mistakes or if that takes a few seasons...
Yeah, I don’t know about saving for a rainy day when it comes to trying to win a Suoerbowl JP. If you think you are one of the handful of teams that have a legit shot of winning it all in any given season I would sure hope you press the cap restraints in an effort to win it all. Otherwise you are striving to “not suck”.

Rugby Saint II 04-09-2021 03:40 PM
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CB, LB, TE, WR, OL, DI, and a safety is where I'm focused. Thanks for sharing ya'll.

jeanpierre 04-09-2021 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 917920)
Yeah, I don’t know about saving for a rainy day when it comes to trying to win a Suoerbowl JP. If you think you are one of the handful of teams that have a legit shot of winning it all in any given season I would sure hope you press the cap restraints in an effort to win it all. Otherwise you are striving to “not suck”.
And three straight years we were that close and...

If winning the Superbowl or getting their involves luck as some here have used as an excuse to give Sean and Mickey cover, then you should be playing the long game...

Keep the team competitive in the long game re: personnel, and wait for the luck to bounce your way...

Going all-in year after year costing yourself draft picks, or now developed great players sends you back to 7-9 mediocrity...

Rugby Saint II 04-10-2021 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917976)
And three straight years we were that close and...

If winning the Superbowl or getting their involves luck as some here have used as an excuse to give Sean and Mickey cover, then you should be playing the long game...

Keep the team competitive in the long game re: personnel, and wait for the luck to bounce your way...

Going all-in year after year costing yourself draft picks, or now developed great players sends you back to 7-9 mediocrity...
I don't know about that JP. We have had one of the strongest rosters in the NFL for the last several years. We haven't had a lot of holes so we could freely trade draft picks and over pay high priced vets. That time is gone now but we can still play quality football with a few additions and a little time to gel. I don't see any more 7-9 seasons with this core group.

AsylumGuido 04-11-2021 08:05 AM
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saintsfan1976 04-12-2021 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917976)
And three straight years we were that close and...

If winning the Superbowl or getting their involves luck as some here have used as an excuse to give Sean and Mickey cover, then you should be playing the long game...

Keep the team competitive in the long game re: personnel, and wait for the luck to bounce your way...

Going all-in year after year costing yourself draft picks, or now developed great players sends you back to 7-9 mediocrity...
Saints have won at least 11 games, eight of the last twelve seasons. Outside of that bad stretch from 2014-2017 (coaches AND players), I don't see a major issue with their cap or personnel management.

It's the NFL, you'd better be "all in" every season.

Boston Saint 04-12-2021 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917976)
And three straight years we were that close and...

If winning the Superbowl or getting their involves luck as some here have used as an excuse to give Sean and Mickey cover, then you should be playing the long game...

Keep the team competitive in the long game re: personnel, and wait for the luck to bounce your way...

Going all-in year after year costing yourself draft picks, or now developed great players sends you back to 7-9 mediocrity...
I’m one who has said an amount of luck is needed to win the Super Bowl and I stand by that statement. But I sure as heck wasn’t saying it to give anyone “cover” as you put it. I say it because it’s the damn truth. A number of factors outside of your control like bad calls or injuries or having a dick for a commissioner can pop up to derail a super bowl caliber team from winning it all in a season. KC was unlucky in that they had injuries this past season with loosing two starting O lineman late in the year. Tampa was lucky that their injuries happened earlier in the season and they were very healthy heading into the playoffs. That’s not an excuse, it’s an observation of fact.

I also don’t see how trying to win it all when you have a HOF QB costs you draft picks. Are you saying they should not have traded up to get Kamara for example?

AsylumGuido 04-12-2021 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917976)
And three straight years we were that close and...

If winning the Superbowl or getting their involves luck as some here have used as an excuse to give Sean and Mickey cover, then you should be playing the long game...

Keep the team competitive in the long game re: personnel, and wait for the luck to bounce your way...

Going all-in year after year costing yourself draft picks, or now developed great players sends you back to 7-9 mediocrity...
Those 7-9 seasons were not caused by any "all-in" attempt. It was quite the opposite. Over that stretch over 90% of the roster was overhauled leaving three players remaining from the championship squad. It was virtually a total rebuild. And luck is real. Both good and bad. Nobody here is trying to cover for Payton or Loomis. They need no cover for leading the Saints through the greatest stretch (so far) in the franchises history. I recognize, but do not understand, your repeated dislike for Loomis and Payton. In this respect you are in a very tiny minority.

jeanpierre 04-12-2021 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918005)
I don't know about that JP. We have had one of the strongest rosters in the NFL for the last several years. We haven't had a lot of holes so we could freely trade draft picks and over pay high priced vets. That time is gone now but we can still play quality football with a few additions and a little time to gel. I don't see any more 7-9 seasons with this core group.
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 918076)
Saints have won at least 11 games, eight of the last twelve seasons. Outside of that bad stretch from 2014-2017 (coaches AND players), I don't see a major issue with their cap or personnel management.

It's the NFL, you'd better be "all in" every season.
And the money spent on those free agents, would you say we got our bang for the buck?

Payton failed to utilized Latavius Murray and Emmanuel Sanders...

Malcolm Jenkins blew so many plays such as missed tackles, blown coverage, dropped INTs at SS, despite getting a winning lottery ticket in Gardner...

Jared Cook was turned the ball over or dropped a catch on some of the most crucial plays...

About the only Free Agent who worked out well was JackRabbit - and we just had to let him go because...we were over the cap...

You have to leave a lil cushion for those Black Swan Events otherwise they prove costly...

jeanpierre 04-12-2021 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918083)
Those 7-9 seasons were not caused by any "all-in" attempt. It was quite the opposite. Over that stretch over 90% of the roster was overhauled leaving three players remaining from the championship squad. It was virtually a total rebuild. And luck is real. Both good and bad. Nobody here is trying to cover for Payton or Loomis. They need no cover for leading the Saints through the greatest stretch (so far) in the franchises history. I recognize, but do not understand, your repeated dislike for Loomis and Payton. In this respect you are in a very tiny minority.
God Help Us if everyone begins running their lives based on polling, tribalism...

Besides, the aggregate history is proving my point to be correct...

AsylumGuido 04-12-2021 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918088)
God Help Us if everyone begins running their lives based on polling, tribalism...

Besides, the aggregate history is proving my point to be correct...
What is the supposed aggregate history that you claim proves your point?

:confused:

The Payton/Loomis era is far and away the most successful in franchise history.

jeanpierre 04-12-2021 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 918077)
I’m one who has said an amount of luck is needed to win the Super Bowl and I stand by that statement. But I sure as heck wasn’t saying it to give anyone “cover” as you put it. I say it because it’s the damn truth. A number of factors outside of your control like bad calls or injuries or having a dick for a commissioner can pop up to derail a super bowl caliber team from winning it all in a season. KC was unlucky in that they had injuries this past season with loosing two starting O lineman late in the year. Tampa was lucky that their injuries happened earlier in the season and they were very healthy heading into the playoffs. That’s not an excuse, it’s an observation of fact.

I also don’t see how trying to win it all when you have a HOF QB costs you draft picks. Are you saying they should not have traded up to get Kamara for example?
When you're using multiple picks to improve one position, you're now unable to improve others...

Regarding Kamara, trading a second the following year for a third round pick this year is one thing when you know the player is a hit, and you get him a year early...

Trading multiple picks is what I've criticized:

Mark Ingram (rookie contract) cost a second and a first - he never had 1000 RuYds / Season on his rookie contract; hated the pick, loved the free agent...

Marcus Davenport cost two first round picks and a fifth - we're still waiting on that breakout (healthy) season...

Vonn Bell cost us two, three draft picks as one of the picks traded could have been used to take David Onyemata, who also took two picks to make for his selection...

Erik McCoy cost two seconds, and a sixth; actually one of the less costly investments...

jeanpierre 04-12-2021 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918096)
What is the supposed aggregate history that you claim proves your point?

:confused:

The Payton/Loomis era is far and away the most successful in franchise history.
Most Saints fans know the history, should they get a pass for their gaffes because of the Superbowl win?

AsylumGuido 04-12-2021 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918098)
Most Saints fans know the history, should they get a pass for their gaffes because of the Superbowl win?
What gaffes?

Their guidance gave the Saints the best opportunities in franchise history to compete for a chance at winning it all. Only one team can win it all in any given year and it takes fortunate bounces here or there to make that happen.

saintsfan1976 04-12-2021 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918087)
And the money spent on those free agents, would you say we got our bang for the buck?

Payton failed to utilized Latavius Murray and Emmanuel Sanders...

Malcolm Jenkins blew so many plays such as missed tackles, blown coverage, dropped INTs at SS, despite getting a winning lottery ticket in Gardner...

Jared Cook was turned the ball over or dropped a catch on some of the most crucial plays...

About the only Free Agent who worked out well was JackRabbit - and we just had to let him go because...we were over the cap...

You have to leave a lil cushion for those Black Swan Events otherwise they prove costly...
JP, I'll bet there are just as many FA wins as there were losses. Every team goes through them. Heck, we had bad contracts on our Superbowl Team so it happens regardless.

jeanpierre 04-12-2021 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918103)
What gaffes?

Their guidance gave the Saints the best opportunities in franchise history to compete for a chance at winning it all. Only one team can win it all in any given year and it takes fortunate bounces here or there to make that happen.
So the Patriots and the Ravens are just really lucky? No skill or preparation, knowledge?

:neutral: #GTFOH

The question is - should they get a pass?

jeanpierre 04-12-2021 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 918114)
JP, I'll bet there are just as many FA wins as there were losses. Every team goes through them. Heck, we had bad contracts on our Superbowl Team so it happens regardless.
'76, go through the moves the past years, analyze them, let me know what you come up with as I see crucial moves, but moves that also limited their ceiling...

Saving grace has been some hits in the mid-rounds in the draft and with UDFA rookies...

AsylumGuido 04-12-2021 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918117)
So the Patriots and the Ravens are just really lucky? No skill or preparation, knowledge?

:neutral: #GTFOH
Yes. The Patriots were lucky that they were in a sorry division that allowed them a guaranteed entry into the postseason some 16 out of 18 years. They also had the greatest QB of all time. Then again, ten of those 16 years were failures based upon your apparent definition of not winning it all. So that means Belichick sucked more years than not, right?

Baltimore had their own breaks along the way. Yes, it takes skill, and preparation, and knowledge. But it also take the right series of fortunate events. The Saints have had the skill, preparation, and knowledge required, but came up short due to untimely injuries, questionable (blatantly wrong) calls and a singular bad play here or there. That's NOT on Loomis or Payton. That's just how the cookie crumbles.

AsylumGuido 04-12-2021 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918117)
So the Patriots and the Ravens are just really lucky? No skill or preparation, knowledge?

:neutral: #GTFOH

The question is - should they get a pass?
Get a pass for what? I don't get where you are coming from on this. Do they (Payton/Loomis) need a pass for being in arguably the best division in the NFC for most of their tenure? They are getting no pass nor do they deserve any pass. The condemnation apparently exists mostly in your point of view.

Boston Saint 04-12-2021 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918097)
When you're using multiple picks to improve one position, you're now unable to improve others...

Regarding Kamara, trading a second the following year for a third round pick this year is one thing when you know the player is a hit, and you get him a year early...

Trading multiple picks is what I've criticized:

Mark Ingram (rookie contract) cost a second and a first - he never had 1000 RuYds / Season on his rookie contract; hated the pick, loved the free agent...

Marcus Davenport cost two first round picks and a fifth - we're still waiting on that breakout (healthy) season...

Vonn Bell cost us two, three draft picks as one of the picks traded could have been used to take David Onyemata, who also took two picks to make for his selection...

Erik McCoy cost two seconds, and a sixth; actually one of the less costly investments...
You are using hindsight to criticize. Did the Chiefs make a mistake trading up to get Mahomes? And as far as free agency, do the names Fleener, Meridith, Byrd, and Bailey ring any bells. FA signings are as risky as drafting. And trading up to get the second all time leading rusher in franchise history is hardly a mistake. You can try to knock it by dividing his career into draft vs free agent years but that’s nonsense. I’m in no way saying the saints have made every decision correct by any means. But you seem to be saying they’ve made every one wrong.


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