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jeanpierre 04-15-2021 03:30 PM
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Boston Saint 04-15-2021 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918310)
Not all that familiar with his complete body of work but he's a burner.

SPEED.
With Winston’s arm, speedy WRs might be in need.

AsylumGuido 04-15-2021 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918309)
Understand, but when you make the repeat the same mistakes and expect different results, what would you call that behaviour?

And I fully agree, inexact should not be used as an excuse for failure...
Once again, failure is inherent to a degree in the drafting world. You mention "same mistakes". What are those "same mistakes"? In your ultra critical, point-of-view definition, a mistake may not be a mistake to others. You appear to define anything that is not excellence, or not according to your wishes, as being a mistake or failure when it comes to the Payton/Loomis drafts. I know that is an overstatement on my part, but you must know what I mean.

And who has used "inexact" as an excuse for failure? It is not an excuse. It is a descriptive adjective describing the basic nature of the NFL draft.

ChrisXVI 04-15-2021 06:04 PM
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A fullback, a blocking TE and whoever the hell this guy is... And people thought kicking the can down the road wouldn’t catch up to us because of LoOmIsNoMiCs!

AsylumGuido 04-15-2021 06:08 PM
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The Dude 04-15-2021 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918321)
I kind of feel good about this guy.

dizzle88 04-15-2021 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 918321)
His tape is pretty impressive.

Big guy, catches with his hands, breaks tackles and has decent speed.

K Major 04-15-2021 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 918325)
His tape is pretty impressive.

Big guy, catches with his hands, breaks tackles and has decent speed.
You must be confusing this guy with someone else. Jalen is small (5'10/165) however he's a burner.

4.27 40 guy.

https://tulanegreenwave.com/sports/f...mccleskey/6469

ChrisXVI 04-15-2021 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918313)
Mike Mayock is a garbage GM. Don’t trust these “draft analysts”... They get an actual GM job like Mayock and have no idea what they’re doing.

jeanpierre 04-16-2021 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918328)
Mike Mayock is a garbage GM. Don’t trust these “draft analysts”... They get an actual GM job like Mayock and have no idea what they’re doing.
To be fair, scouts/talent evaluators vs personnel men are two different sides of the same coin...

Mayock knows talent, but he may be out of his depth right now as GM...

Then there's whether or not Coach Gruden is doing his job to maximize putting the talent in the best possible position to win...

My argument has been that Payton spends too much time in evaluating and making personnel decisions and not coaching players up as he did earlier in his tenure...

Payton needs to heed his own locker room propaganda - #DoYourJob...

#ChipKellyEffect

dizzle88 04-16-2021 01:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918326)
You must be confusing this guy with someone else. Jalen is small (5'10/165) however he's a burner.

4.27 40 guy.

https://tulanegreenwave.com/sports/f...mccleskey/6469
Ahhh fair enough, looking at his highlight tape, he seems to play a bit bigger than he is then. Some of the "away from the body" catches he makes, shows a decent catch radius.

jeanpierre 04-16-2021 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 918341)
Ahhh fair enough, looking at his highlight tape, he seems to play a bit bigger than he is then. Some of the "away from the body" catches he makes, shows a decent catch radius.
This is what humanity and humility amongst Saints fans looks like...

jeanpierre 04-17-2021 12:06 PM
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CBS Sports | Top remaining NFL free agents at each position: Richard Sherman, Larry Fitzgerald headline big names left

Boston Saint 04-17-2021 12:15 PM
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I’d like to be able to add Fitzgerald on a low cost, last-chance-for-a-ring contract. I feel his experience could go a long way in helping either Hill or Winston develop and he would help in the Red Zone.

jeanpierre 04-17-2021 01:11 PM
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I’d like to be able to add Fitzgerald on a low cost, last-chance-for-a-ring contract. I feel his experience could go a long way in helping either Hill or Winston develop and he would help in the Red Zone.
Was thinking Golden Tate would be more affordable, realistic...

At this point of his career, Fitz' Zip Code is likely staying in the AZ 82305...

K Major 04-17-2021 01:12 PM
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Heyward, Sherman, Breeland … pick one.

What ever happened to the TJ Carrie visit ?

jeanpierre 04-17-2021 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918413)
Heyward, Sherman, Breeland … pick one.

What ever happened to the TJ Carrie visit ?
Maybe they're not sold on the privilege of playing on a Sean Payton-coached team and giving a discount?

ChrisXVI 04-17-2021 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918413)
Heyward, Sherman, Breeland … pick one.

What ever happened to the TJ Carrie visit ?
TJ Carrie has re-signed with the Colts.

K Major 04-17-2021 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918415)
TJ Carrie has re-signed with the Colts.
Thanks XVI … I missed that signing.

jeanpierre 04-19-2021 08:56 AM
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ChrisXVI 04-20-2021 10:33 AM
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Man... we are seriously scouring the bargain basement this offseason.

ChrisXVI 04-20-2021 03:35 PM
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Will Clapp is back in the mix...

jeanpierre 04-20-2021 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918556)
Like I said earlier, he's a Restricted Free Agent, Where's he going?

Hoping WC has gotten stronger - only thing keeping him from a full-time NFL gig; he moves well, plays with good technique, just not as strong as he needs to be...

jeanpierre 04-21-2021 02:01 AM
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jeanpierre 04-23-2021 09:28 AM
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jeanpierre 04-23-2021 09:48 AM
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darksoul35 04-23-2021 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918704)
Looks like our only option.

jeanpierre 04-23-2021 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 918719)
Looks like our only option.
We can continue to sign veterans, the salary cap is based on the Top 51 Rule...

Simply, the free agents contracts just have to be less than the top 51 contracts on book...

Currently, that cutoff is at WR Jake Lampman with a contract number of $780K...

Per Over The Cap | New Orleans Saints, we currently have $219,354 of cap space...

Rugby Saint II 04-24-2021 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918777)
We can continue to sign veterans, the salary cap is based on the Top 51 Rule...

Simply, the free agents contracts just have to be less than the top 51 contracts on book...

Currently, that cutoff is at WR Jake Lampman with a contract number of $780K...

Per Over The Cap | New Orleans Saints, we currently have $219,354 of cap space...
Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing jp.

jeanpierre 04-30-2021 05:03 PM
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Wonder who the Chiefs were thinking of drafting last night?

jeanpierre 05-01-2021 09:53 PM
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jeanpierre 05-01-2021 09:53 PM
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jeanpierre 05-01-2021 10:04 PM
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jeanpierre 05-02-2021 07:11 AM
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jeanpierre 05-02-2021 01:24 PM
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jeanpierre 05-05-2021 08:59 AM
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Hell, I'm still upset we cut the guy...

jeanpierre 05-05-2021 10:17 AM
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K Major 05-05-2021 12:34 PM
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Raiders sign CB Casey Hayward to 1-year deal.

Just an FYI …

lee909 05-05-2021 12:53 PM
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I don't think they should use next years money to sign a vet this year.

With the roster cuts this year it would have to be a perfect set of events for this team to compete for a superbowl. I don't think the depth is there too challenge, it would take this draft and UDFA haul to be better than 2017s.
So why waste future resources that are going to be needed next years to sign the FA we have coming up, especially with only 35 players under contract for next season as it is and by the time the new draftees have been signed they'll have had to redo or resign a player anyway.


I think its a decent team on paper with many holes,especially in depth which will effect the rotation. The strength of this team over the past 4 years has been the stout D-Line that has allowed the secondary to be aggresive and able to often play in nickel and let CGJ,Williams and whoever has been the SS to hunt. The depth on the line has taken a massive hit with Tuttle and Roach now expected to move from DT 4/5 to 2/3, add the loss of Jackrabbit who was locking down corners and expecting a talented but 3rd round CB to do that job or pay money they don't have to sign a aging veteran seems a waste.

Covid hitting when it did has obviously blew up the plan they had to deal with the ring chasing but it has really hurt this teams ability to get a full roster than can challenge for me.

Im not expecting a great season at all and would not be shocked if they pick top 10/12 next year,especially if they get the injuries they have over the past few years.

Not too worried though as there are some good young players on the roster and if they can sort the cap and draft well the next two seasons i think they'll be in a great place to push on long term.


I think both the trade deadline this year and the next offseason could be very interesting as i can see a big trade and possibly a big cut coming, especially if Turner and Adebo shine early.

If they don't get joy with Lattimore agent or he is inconsistent and the Saints out of the picture early i could see him being traded at the deadline . Same next summer with Cam if Werner works out,22.6ml is a massive cap hit especially when a June 1st cut/trade saves 14ml,same with Peat and June 1st trade(trade only no cut) means only 4ml dead money and 10ml saving.


Let the young kids play and see what you have in Trautman,Calloway,Adebo,Turner,Werner etc

jeanpierre 05-06-2021 04:14 PM
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